Beware of the coming wave.

Robin4
Level 10
Mount Barker, Australia

Beware of the coming wave.

A second wave of COVID-19 is going to visit all countries!

 

This might seem boring but can you please continue to read this post because the second part of it is important to everyone!!

 

As of yesterday Friday 15th May, my state has been officially classified coronavirus free! We have beaten this bug

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Current SA covid-19 free at last!.png

 

But this doesn’t mean we are out of trouble. We are still social distancing and we are keeping our borders closed. It will probably be the end of the year before we allow international travelers back into this state.

Countries who have got on top of the virus such as South Korea are finding that they are facing renewed outbreaks and the main reason for this is the current method of coronavirus testing…..it is simply not reliable!

This South Korean epidemiologist explains why there is a weak spot in the system.

 

https://youtu.be/QwoNP9QWr4Y?t=698

 

This may be difficult to follow because it is in spoken Korean, but it is subtitled. If you watch from 4 minutes 20 seconds until about 9 minutes, he explains the flaw in the testing system.

It is not known as yet if people who have been infected and subsequently have recovered have antibodies that prevent them from being re-infected. It is more probable that they have a relapse…..not a re-infection.

As this doctor states, the virus needs a minimum of 3,000 replications in the human body before it will show up as a positive result! Under that 3,000 replications the result will show as, negative. Now that’s not to say the person does not have coronavirus, it just means there is not enough of the virus in the body to show as a positive result!

Someone can be given the all clear, been given medication to alleviate the symptoms and after time test negative, but still have the virus active in their system. Because they have been cleared they don’t worry about social distancing and they just mingle into the community and……….this is where the second spike is going to come from.

We are aware of this here in our state which is why we still haven’t opened up Pubs and restaurants and sporting activities such as football, despite the fact that we are coronavirus free!

Please be aware there will be a second spike in this disease and prepare for it. Take notice of what this doctor is saying. He is a professional and knows exactly what he is talking about…….. unlike the US president.

Stay safe, stick with social quarantining, if you do, we will all be able to get back to normal far quicker than if we try to kid ourselves that there are short-cuts here.

Cheers……..Rob

 

 

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Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

@Robin4  Important for everyone to be aware of and understand. 

And although it's quite lengthy, I am going to post here a letter from a health professional that was posted on another non-hosting forum I follow. It really drives home the fact that we simply can't afford to start thinking this is on its way to being over.

 

"Ok, so, here’s some venting and some explaining and if you don’t like it, I honestly don’t care. Move on and good day to you.

This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here’s the deal: it’s real and it’s here and it’s still spreading.

As a healthcare worker, I’m exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it’s been one of the longest, most stressful things I’ve tackled.

First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you’re not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor’s or whatever level of government’s handling of things, it’s not constructive.

Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it’s serious. And we’re serious people when it comes to people’s health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don’t know why. I’m so tired of people acting like there’s information that’s being cooked up or withheld. You know why there’s lots of gaps in the information? Because we’re still learning about this virus every day. It’s new. It’s never been seen. How it acts, how it spreads, why it does the things it does is all new and we’re learning on the fly. Stop mistaking genuine lack of information for misinformation or withheld information.

The numbers: this one sticks in my craw like no other. “I heard they didn’t die from COVID-19, they died from a heart attack but they were positive so they called it COVID-19 to boost the numbers and scare people.” Stop. It. You know how many people died specifically from AIDS? Zero. AIDS patients die from pneumonia or some other illness normal, healthy people fight off because the AIDS virus destroyed their immune system and they couldn’t fight off the infection. But at the heart of it, they died because of AIDS. The coronavirus attacks the respiratory system. The respiratory system is, in case you didn’t know, pretty important to sustaining life. It also has a huge impact on how other organ systems, like the heart, work. Guess what, when your lungs don’t work because they’ve basically filled with brick mortar because the virus is attacking them, that puts a bit of a strain on your ticker and very well can cause it to fail. So unless you have a basic understanding of or want to understand how interconnected organ systems are and how the body fundamentally functions: stop.

I think I can speak for a lot of medical professionals when I say, we don’t mean to be arrogant, we don’t mean to be jerks, but **bleep** it, this bull**bleep** is frustrating and yes, we’re going to clap back to ignorance. Ignorance is not something to be flaunted and there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is being uninformed. Stop being willfully ignorant and even reveling in it because it doesn’t fit your preconceived narrative or opinion. Even worse, stop pretending you’re not ignorant because you watched some **bleep** YouTube video or read some op-ed piece. That’s someone’s opinion, normally based on nothing. NOTHING. No research. That’s not information. That’s not factual. That’s not based in science. It’s click-bait with the sole intention of riling you up and getting you to let your guard down. And instead of being pissed at the virus that’s causing all this, it’s to direct your anger at the government or doctors or anywhere else their agenda wants it directed.

Medical people are fired up for a couple reasons. 1 month ago, we were all heroes and putting our lives on the line because this was dangerous stuff. Well, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we aren’t heroic, we’re just doing our job. But guess what, we’re still doing the same **bleep** thing we were doing a month ago and this crap still hasn’t gone away but now we’re “just trying to scare people” because “it’s really no big deal.” We aren’t looking for a pat on the back or even a thank you, we just want you to do what we all need to do to stop this thing and avoid the spread. Listen, if you think that my big fat ass enjoys sweating like a whore in church in an isolation gown, walking around like Mr. Magoo because my glasses are fogged up because of my mask, and wearing goggles that dig into the backs of my ears because I’m “just a sheep,” you are mistaken. It’s because I don’t want this virus and I don’t want to take it home to my family and I don’t want to infect my co-workers and other patients. We’re fired up because we’ve seen and even performed intubations. We don’t intubate for funsies. Outside of the surgical setting, an intubation is basically throwing a Hail Mary to save someone’s life. And when the mortality rate once that plastic tube slides between your vocal cords with COVID-19 is 85-89%, yeah, that’s terrifying. This virus is dangerous.

Lastly, stop being spoiled children about public health advisories. Stop bitching about wearing a mask when you’re in public places. Stop pretending that that is somehow infringing on your rights. Get over yourself. I wish all businesses would grow a pair and refuse service to people who refuse to wear a mask “out of principle.” Police aren’t inclined to enforce it and that’s fine but, spoiler alert, private businesses have and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Don’t tell me it’s ok for a bakery to refuse service to a gay couple for a wedding cake on religious grounds but not ok for a convenience store to refuse service because they don’t want the outbreak monkey strolling through their place coughing all over other patrons and their staff. Stay outside the 6ft bubble, wear a **bleep** mask, and wash your hands. It’s that easy. Stop pretending they’re asking for a kidney. It’s as much to protect yourself as it is everyone else. People wonder why we have things like stay-at-home orders and closing of non-essential businesses. It’s because of you, jackass, you’re the problem. It’s your lack of ability to exercise common sense and your refusal to follow simple, insanely simple advice that forces the government to exercise it for you. And even then, you still thumb your nose at it in all your ignorant glory. Sorry that you feel like they’re infringing on your right to be an irresponsible child.

Look, all I’m saying is I get that it’s frustrating and I get that it’s irritating, and inconvenient and all the other bad things that it is, but please, continue to take this seriously, continue to do the little things that make a big difference. Stop denying facts, science, and the advice from people who have spent a lifetime doing what they do in the medical and research fields to ultimately make everyone’s lives healthier, safer, and better.

I’m done with my soap box now. "

#washyourhands #wearamask





 

 
Sandra126
Level 10
Daylesford, Australia

Yes indeed. Despite two growing clusters in Melbourne people have decided that everything is fine now. Daylesford was full of tourists yesterday. I'm staying in.

@Sandra126

 One is at a meatworks, isn't it?

It would be of public interest if they allow the use of END devices, e-cigarettes / vapes within workplace areas, including Smoko rooms as the FDA in USA called a very similar disease, EVALI to what we now know as COVID19.

 

It is of public interest to exhaust all avenues of possible causes of this where these clusters including that of chemicals used & exposed to in workplaces & the environment in general.

 

Our local supermarket has now placed a NO SMOKING board at the entrance to the carpark in an attempt to stop the use of such illegal products & second (2nd) hand exposure to them.

 

We have a fabulous community focused owner of our supermarket who is case 13 here in NZ 😉.

 

Maybe raise it amongst your community & check what the legislation is in your location surrounding the use of them as there's interesting links btwn what's happening across the world as we all have the right to go safely about our lives on a daily basis & should not be living in fear.

 

The Tobacco companies in USA have been told to pay continuing health costs relating to EVALI...

 

Keep safe out there.

Emilia42
Level 10
Orono, ME

I'm still waiting for the first wave . . . 

Robbie54
Level 10
North Runcton, United Kingdom

Then pray it doesn't come. However with Trump's obsession with getting every state open again I fear you may see it before long. 

@Robbie54, prayer is good when things are fine and even better when they aren't so fine like this last 3 months. 22,000+ New Yorkers, 90,000+ US citizens are among of the 300,000+ dead world wide, any victories we can claim to date were paid for with the lives of our loved ones.  My prayers go out to all that are experiencing the loss of loved ones, they are the ones that prayers could help.  At the same time, they and millions of others may not even be able to support their most basic needs out of work and out of money.  Gods pretty busy at the moment, they need human intervention and a way back.

 

I try never to talk US politics here but describing how our system functions isnt the same so let me give it a try.  Nearly all of us  in the US including our government officials want the same thing, a safe phased opening of all parts of our economy and lives.  We have a giant and varied geography, population, climates, available services and even different laws that mean we just cannot and should not treat all locations in a State or our Country exactly the same as another. That's exactly BTW one of the biggest reasons our president actually doesn't have the authority to choose for states when and how they can and will return to work and life, thats our state's governors job and they are all actively working on that.

 

 New York State has an economy  broken up into 5 zones, each as large as a small nation.  Only 3 of which have met the testing and treatment goals set by our Governor and State department of health and human services and they are only opening limited sectors of employment that have proven risk mitigation is in place.  

 

Im a cup half full kinda person so, The good news for all of us here and around the globe is that today is not 3 months ago when we knew absolutely nothing about this planetary enemy and even the things we thought we knew were mostly wrong.  I can only speak of what I have experienced here, because of our responses as a Nation, state, region and locality, the prolific mostly dire predictions have not come true, The USA was expected to have 2.5 million +/- deaths from this by Memorial day (May 25th).   Everyday, antibody testing confirms that more people have already had this things and likely wont get it again soon if ever due to the likelihood we will have a vaccine before any immunity wears off.  That doesn't save a life that's been or will be lost but it assures us that less will succumb to it. 

 

We must not lose sight of the fact the statistics about the human suffering and losses from covid 19's attack on the human body dont take into account the deaths caused by our reaction to it and not the disease itself.  Those that can't get medical or mental health service's because they aren't "Urgent and Necessary" , the fitness and social routines that keeps people vital, healthy and connected, the farmers that are dumping their milk and slaughtering and burying cattle that won't be able to find their way to market or have crops rotting in the fields or the Oil field worker that sees no light at the end of the tunnel with $24.00 a barrel crude nobody wants to buy.  They may die slower but death is still dead to their loved ones even if they aren't in the daily news stats.

 

To be sure Robbie, our nation and this planet must open for business again and sooner than later or toilet paper shortages will be the least of our issues.  Stay well, JR 

 

Excellent post @Melodie-And-John0 - as usual.

 

I always have been of the position that only time will reveal and put into perspective what this Covid-19 pandemic really was/is/will be. In the meantime most of the people in the world have been willing to make unheard-of sacrifices to their economic life (barring the usual 10% Neanderthals that can't understand or follow anything), and are willing to accept whatever inconveniences (masks, distances, reduction of numbers in one place at any given time, etc etc) are still being asked of them and are willing to exercise them even into the future. 

 

Is it possible to do both - yes continue to exercise totally new cautions and restraints in case this is really that dangerous; (or truly unique, but at first all new things are unique), but also is it time to equally pay attention to other necessary & important functions of life (medical tests, operations, other deceases, addictions, mental health, economic life, etc) that also determine in many cases whether you live or die, and their combined death tally traditionally pale ther death toll of Covid-19 thus far.  This is an age old dilemma for society, it is always having to weight the cost of safe living vs. economic cost to achieve it, specially in capitalist societies where one's economic welfare does really determine one's personal freedom. 

 

No time for bi-modal thinking and those that speak and only think in absolutes, that things must be only either this way or that way, need to be viewed with a very critical eye, in case - they are dead wrong.

@Robbie54 Give it up Robbie. We've lost over 30 million jobs! It's not an obsession, it's a necessity. You are not going to cure the disease by staying home.

Robbie54
Level 10
North Runcton, United Kingdom

Give what up exactly @Juan63 ? I'm all for getting people back to work, when it's safe!! The fact remains that the spread of the virus is going down in just a hand full of states, whereas in most states it's going up. Now you tell me, do you want to return to work when it's still spreading, passing it on to other workers? And who says the disease will be cured by staying at home? I think you have severely  missed the point.

@Robbie54 There is no "when it's safe." There will never be a cure, and just like the flu, we have to live with it. While you're at it, don't drive until it's safe, don't fly until it's safe and don't live until it's safe. Get over your disdain for Trump. You don't even live here. Many here love his policies and he will win in November. 

Helen427
Level 10
Auckland, New Zealand

@Juan63 

I see in reputable news media publications that deaths that have come from "Respiratory"  illnesses are recorded on the CDC as having Covid19 & people in the USA have rightly so expressed concern about the incorrect recording of data.

 

We had something similar happen here in New Zealand at the beginning of lockdowns & Director of Health daily media speeches. Thankfully we live in a country where locals speak up & the families concerned contacted the media to ensure those who were trying to mislead us  were not able to pull swifties, alas the Aged Care home facilities where there been "clusters" are seeking to get to the bottom of why they keep having deaths associated with there homes labelled as Covud19.

Perhaps those of us who eat chicken are all Covid19 positive bc according to the "experts " it was a strain of birds that caused the 1918-1919 epidemic... It's time "scientists" stopped hypothesising & left it to those who know first hand about their private health matters.

 

  It's sad am round however we all die of something somehow or another.

 

Enjoy each day one wakes up & the daylight comes up

@Helen427 this will go into the books as the most misinformed pandemic in history while destroying the greatest economy the world has ever seen. And unnecessarily I might add. I can’t tell you how many times people in this forum and all over the internet would say “listen to the experts.” 99% of the experts got it wrong. Those health experts are also not economists. So their wrong answers have destroyed many lives. As we open up, the proof is in the pudding. This is a serious but tiny health crisis that was overblown at all levels.

Robbie54
Level 10
North Runcton, United Kingdom

Wow.  Just wow.

Robbie54
Level 10
North Runcton, United Kingdom

Its irrelevant whether I live there or not. When it's safe does not mean when its eradicated, it means when the contract rate is down to accepted levels, based on scientific evidence,  NOT when the rate is going up in many many states. That's just plain daft. As daft as Trump taking hydroxychloroquine.  Even Trump’s own government has warned that the drug should only be administered for Covid-19 in a hospital or research setting due to potentially fatal side effects.

There will never be a cure? On who's scientific claim do you base that on? Your own I guess. Ridiculous comment.