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Here a word to all Complainer:
I live in NYC and let's face it:
There will be no tourists coming in for the next few months (in best case).
I refunded every reservation (and blocked the calendar)
until the end of April, and I'm prepared that the rest of
the year will be fully refunded and going to ZERO...
I did very well last few years,
and NO, ITS NOT AIRBNB'S FOULT,
people can't fly, going out or even leave the house!
IT IS NOT a change of Airbnb's policy, it is EXACTLY as I signed up:
Travel restrictions = Refund
Deadly Pandemic = Refund
POSTER CHILD SITUATION OF extenuating circumstances situation!!!!
NOTHING CHANGED.
NOT ONCE I TRIED TO CALL OR CONTACT BnB LAST 2 WEEKS.
Once Airbnb boosted my business going from 0 to 100 in 2 weeks
by providing a genius model and worldwide outreach to billion of guests.
For the few $$$ per booking taking from me as a host, THEY OWE ME NOTHING!!!
As long they have 10-Thousands of people on payroll,
I don't have ANY problems with there current policy,
and I don't care if they keep a small service fee or not!!!
I'm still on the lucky end, we have other sources of income,
BUT around us, restaurants, airlines and small businesses will going out of business.
BUT YES, I agree, we losing money: IT SUCKS!!!
And still, our own decision to be in Guest/Tourist Industry
with all the fun, money to earn AND risk to take..!
WEE ALL WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS,
IF Airbnb LOSES THERE REPUTATION WITH GUESTS DURING THIS CRISIS!!!
LET THEM DEFEND THE BRAND, OTHERWISE: THAT'S IT FOR ALL OF US !
And OF COURSE: I KNOW Airbnb is/was not perfect at all, the review system needs to be improved...
I KNOW! I guess NOBODY IS PERFECT 😉
Stay Safe,
Greetings from Brooklyn, NY
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@Ute42 Curious as to what other distribution channels have you had success with? Thank you!
@Ute42 I would like to know which ones you use as well. It would be extremely helpful to us! 😉 competition is a good thing.
@Donna937 since Ute hosts in Germany, I assume that she is talking about one of the many European platforms out there like WIMDU, CLICKSTAY or TOURIST-PARADISE, to name a few.
Most travel insurance does not cover cancellations due to a pandemic/epidemic - I looked into it earlier this year prior to my vacation in January.
Airbnb is not the only firm to be giving refunds in light of covid-19 and I agree it's * not fair *. And NOT FAIR applies to ALL businesses and people working in the travel and hospitality industry and airlines that will be directly impacted.
But considering all the other BS reasons which Airbnb accepted as an extenuating circumstance, I actually think the spread of covid-19 is exactly the type of situation where this clause makes sense.
And I completely agree that no one should make Airbnb their main source of income. Even before covid-19 it was high-risk and naive.
Well said... And yes, even I fully support a 100% refund policy, YES... IT SUCKS, IT HURTS!!!!
And there is NOTHING "FAIR" in this situation, for ALL affected businesses worldwide, BIF and SMALL!
One more curiosity:
I feel for almost a week totally relaxed because there is NOTHING in MY hands to do, to blame, to change... Just waiting for what will happen in 2 weeks, 3 months, 1 year from now!
I just called a friend (to offer some help).
She had to close her 2 AMAZING, HIGH RATED, NY-Times recommended (new) restaurants. It will be an ABSOLUTELY FINANCIAL disaster for her... She told me, that she actually had a really nice day yesterday, walking with her BF in the woods... she also can't change anything right now!
Well said, I was one of those who made the mistake of listing only on AirBnB. Not anymore. Lesson learnt!
First off, it’s not about “protecting the brand” or anything like that. It’s about allocating loss. Airbnb as a company chose a completely self-serving policy that forces 97% of the loss on hosts.
Second, there were several better ways to do this, such as giving a credit back to renters, which would have put the loss on Airbnb, not me. Or they could have split the loss any number of ways between the hosts, guests and themselves.
The idea that their policy resembles other hospitality and travel company policies is misleading. Many if not most other companies gave a credit to guests, not full cash refunds. And because of the difference in the way that Airbnb is structured, the end result of a big chain refunding money is significantly different-in that the company is the one actually paying for it. But some third party.
While the extenuating circumstances clause has been in the Airbnb agreement, that doesn’t mean it was implemented in a fair way... or that Airbnb necessarily didn’t apply it in an illegal way. Also there are questions about whether the company was negligent to not account for these types of losses and adequately insure itself.
You don’t have to be an apologist for a multi-billion dollar company. They pay tons of lawyers to do that for them.
Airbnb screwed the hosts. Period.
airbnb had to refund the guests so after this is all over, people will still continue to use airbnb.
Now, should airbnb have given hosts the full amount or even a partial payment from a cancelled booking due to the virus? I don't think so because this is a very real extenuating circumstance.
Did any host ever think that an "extenuating circumstance" would be a virus that affected ALL hosts and all bookings? Did we think it could cause almost all of our bookings to cancel for a month or more? Nope!
No one saw this coming. We were OK when the "ex cir" policy affected us once in a blue moon due to a guests medical emergency, funeral or other hardship. We have to be OK with this too.
The guests will come back and they will use airbnb again. If you think you can do better as a host on another STR platform, go for it. I have personally tried them ALL and only ever got 1 paid booking on booking.com. Airbnb is the brand name people think about when travelling and wanting to stay in a fun, unique place instead of a boring hotel. All the others are just lame copycats.
The other hosting platforms will become more competitive now as AirBnB hosts move their listings away from AirBnB.
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@Anthony1092 I'm totally in agreement that it would be have been better for Airbnb to offer a credit rather than give full refunds, but I think your statement isn't accurate.
@Anthony1092 wrote:
97% of the loss on hosts.
You can't loose what you don't have. It's not as if Airbnb has taken away money that was already given to you.
As for the idea that the policy was completely self serving, this idea ignores the fact that screwing guests is ultimately bad for the hosts. Airbnb makes money from reservation bookings. Guests are Airbnb's clients; not the hosts. If the source of revenue dries up, then Airbnb ceases to exist. Offering a 50% cut to hosts does nothing to drive demand for the service we offer. Instead, it angers guests, who may choose to go to a different platform (which puts our futures in jeopardy) and it further worsens the precarious financial situation that the company may find itself in because of this pandemic.
Besides, a 50% payout does not change the ultimate reality that people, who claim to depend on rental income, are now facing. You can't pay a workforce with 50% of your expected income. People will still have to be let go, if only at a later date. You can't pay your bills with 50% of your expected income. A mortgage lender isn't going to accept 50% and call it good. If you are in financial trouble because of the refund policy, then a short term payment from Airbnb will not change that.
Let's not forget that Airbnb is a business, just the same as all the hosts on this platform. Do any of us have piles of money set aside to offer payouts in the event of a global crisis? I don't think so. So don't expect that Airbnb should.
Can’t agree with you Giedre. Glad you’ve had success. Good for you. However It is not the hosts fault either. Guests signed a 50% strict refund policy. If Airbnb wants to “defend the brand” as you say and refund 100% - let them do so from their vast Venture Capitalist billionaire coffers. Why should I be responsible for someone not securing proper travel insurance or Airbnb corporate not offering that option? You think my lease will be refunded? What a Stockholm syndrome argument you make for our refund hostage takers.
@Michael4841 wrote:Why should I be responsible for someone not securing proper travel insurance or Airbnb corporate not offering that option? You think my lease will be refunded?
Why? Because you signed up on airbnb knowing the extenuating circumstance existed and you agreed to abide by it.
If you can't pay your lease without airbnb money, you should move to the bronx or brooklyn where it's a little less expensive. I personally would recommend moving the heck out of NY state altogether like I did 5 years ago.
@Giedre-and-Andre0 Thank you. A refreshing antidote to the something like 50 topic posts with hosts screaming about this. Most of whom seem to be those who own multiple properties and have been making tons of money renting them out on Airbnb for years. Now they can't pay the mortgage on all their houses. Gee, maybe they'll have to sell one. "Oh how awful- I might not be able to afford to keep my vacation home." Where's my violin?
I know there are some small time hosts who will truly suffer because of this. I have tremendous sympathy for them.But no one ever guaranteed them an str income.
I do think Airbnb could have handled this a lot better, like refunded 75% to guests and left the other 25% for the hosts. That would have been a lot more fair and I think the majority of both hosts and guests would have been okay with that.
And for those of you who are in disgreement with this post, how about just sticking to threads with all the other outraged hosts. There's plenty to chose from.
Hi @Sarah977 I’m a host who doesn’t own multiple properties. I’m an artist who relies on guest bookings to actually pay the rent. Do you think landlords will give hosts a break for extenuating circumstances? I never expected a guaranteed income but I accepted the Risk of bookings canceling and only getting 50% back. That’s the risk and it should be shared? Why in the works 75/25?? Why not keep it 50/50 shared “community” risk? Seriously What right do guests have to an extra 25 over hosts (let alone 100) when they fully well read a contract to only be refunded 50%?