Hey all, I'm Alex, a new host from Seattle, WA. Any advice...
Latest reply
Hey all, I'm Alex, a new host from Seattle, WA. Any advice about taxes for a new host? How much of an issue are taxes for h...
Latest reply
Hi all, sorry if this is a long post, im just not sure what to do at this point. I am a host in south FL & I offer a home with a heated pool. I have a couple of guests staying right now & I can tell the pool heater is a very big deal for them. When they checked in the pool was about 80 degrees (outside temp 60 degrees) , the pool heater is on a 12 hr timer. After they checked in we had a masssive cold front, I stopped by this morning per their request to check the pool heater because they said it shut off. It was on & the pool was much warmer than the outside temp. (Still over 20 degrees warmer) I adjusted the settings so it wouldn’t auto shut off after 12 hours.. then they message me this evening that the pool is 7 degrees warmer than when they left. At this point I’m not sure what to do. They would like a partial refund, I don’t feel that is fair; what would you all do?
7 degrees cooler*
You need to manage expectations around the use of the pool. It is January all over the world and in the USA that means it is cold. You do not have an indoor pool, right? I would find 80 degrees cold and would not use a pool that cold unless it was 100 degrees and I wanted to cool down. Shorten the stay of this guest and give them a refund for unused days. Meanwhile, look at how you advertise the amenity. You can limit an amenity on your listing and make sure guests understand the limit. I live in the desert and most of the time we are warmer than most of California, but sometime we are cooler in January. However, marketing of this area is all about the sunshine and warmth and people are dreaming of a warm January.
Hi yes @Linda108 but what if they don’t want to leave? They are not asking to terminate their stay only for a partial refund because they say the heater “is not working” although it is.
@Andrea4731 Normally if there is an actual missing amenity, like the pool heater broke, that would warrant a discount, but it's always best if the host offers that discount right away, rather than waiting until a guest asks, which shifts the dynamics and gives the guest a sense of having some sort of power.
But in this case, the heater is woorking, it's just not up to a temperature that the guests find comfortable. I don't know anything abouut pools and rarely swim in them, so don't know if 80 degrees is a water temp I'd feel comfortable in- if Linda here says she would find that too cold, I would take her word for it, at least for me, as I'm always chillier than most people.
What if the guests don't want to leave? Well, the general rule of thumb is that guests who are being a pain in the butt are best gotten rid of ASAP. If their behavior is really egregious, which this situation isn't, it's often worth taking the penalties for cancelling yourself just to get them out. Or as suggested, try to get them to cancel by offering to refund unstayed nights.
Guests who can't be adaptable and roll with the punches when something happens outside a host's control, like an unusual massive cold front, are annoying.
But if you want to keep this booking smooth, and can't get the pool temp up, I would offer them a 10-20% discount if they cwn't use the pool.
(Don't call it a refund- a refund is what is given if a guest doesn't stay- a discount is given if there is something that negatively affects a guest's enjoyment of the place. Just like you might get a discount on a slightly damaged item from a store- you'd only get a refund if you bought that something that turned out to be defective and you brought it back. I think terminology is important because it psychologically affects the way people think about things. There are far too many guests angling for "refunds" these days. )
Thank you @Sarah977 yes, temperature can be subjective as @Linda108 said 80 degrees would feel cool on a 100 degree weather day but when it’s 50 degrees out 80 would feel nice and toasty. I offered them a discount & am stopping by the house again the morning to check the pool heater. I get these guests frustrations, Florida is normally a warm place & last week it was. But unfortunately I can’t control the weather.
I manage two properties with outdoor pools in the UK (a far from ideal climate for outdoor swimming!). The average daily maximum temperature here in summer is only 67F! We aim to keep the water temperature around 82 degrees F and we've never really had any complaints. We only heat the pools between April and October though, because it's just too expensive, too difficult and we don't get enough reservations to cover the costs of heating in the winter.
What heater do you have? an electric heater should heat the water in basically any weather. (it will cost you though!) An Air Source Heatpump will save you loads of money, but it will struggle in colder periods.
Personally I would maybe consider partially reimbursing the guest. But I also think you should consider only offering the pool during the warmer months when business is a bit busier? I'd definitely write a disclaimer in the listing somewhere explaining that it's an outdoor pool so it will be affected by the weather!
I would also invest in one of those pool monitor app things that can record the temperature on a graph. That way you can show the guest (and AirBnB) how the temperature has changed during their stay. Obviously a guest could dispute the accuracy etc.. but it does cover your back a bit.
I know that pool heating is quite expensive, so I would position the "heated pool" amenity differently.
The house includes a pool. Heating it costs an additional $xx per day.
So, pay more and get heated pool. Don't pay, don't get heated pool.