Long Time Host...First Time Post. How much weight does the Hosts Voice Carry?

Andrea2711
Level 3
Oklahoma City, OK

Long Time Host...First Time Post. How much weight does the Hosts Voice Carry?

Hello Airbnb Community Members. My husband and I are long time Airbnb hosts and up until recently have loved every asspect of what we do. For those of you who will be inclined to click on our profile to take a look at our listings, I have been here in the community searching for answers about things we have recently started dealing with for a couple of months. That time here has given me a pretty good indication of how many of you feel about those of us who hosts multiple properties. 

 

Let me start with this, My husband and I do represent a large number of Airbnb Homes. We do personally live in 4 of these locations throughout different times of the year, each of our 4 children have homes that we host that they either currently live in, or will live in during the off season of school. 

 

The additional homes that we help host belong to Military members who have been deployed out of Country for a period of more than 3 years. This started with one of our very close friends homes and word of mouth spread to others that were in a similar situation, so we took those too. In order for us to take on a Military home there has to be an extenuating circumstance (risk of foreclosure, inability to sell ect.)  That however is a post for another day all together. 

 

If you read through our reviews you will see that it is my husband and myself that take care of all of our homes. When you check in, it is us that you meet. When you message us, it is us that answers. When the home needs to be reset...You guessed it, it is us that takes care of that. We tried contracting help through multiple services last year for cleaning and it was a disaster. Our goal is to always provide a great experience for guests, a goal that we have discovered is not on the radar (or even in the same orbit) of many cleaning people. 

 

This is where we are as hosts currently and I am wondering if I may get some feedback from others that are well experienced here as well. 

 

My husband and I have played a large roll in the recent advocation of keeping Airbnb a legal option here in OKC. We have appeared before the City Council multiple times in both Oklahoma and Texas to speak on the benefits and positive aspects this particular platform offers. Our opinions and voices have been heard because of the positive role we play in both of those markets. 

 

We are also host to one of the largest Airbnb Meet Up groups in Oklahoma City and have partnered in the last 3 years alone with helping 50+ hosts get their Airbnb started. MANY of the people we help would fall into the category of Elderly/Disabled, single income with either space in their personal home or an attached property to let. These are folks that are dependant on the income with very few income earning opportunities available. My husband and I help to restore, furnish, create profiles and help them navigate guests. We help them work with what they have so they can provide what they need. 

 

Our passion is not the income this industry brings, it is the relationships we are able to build along the way. I have told many people I would do this for free if I could and in reality many months, probably have. 

 

We have gone above and beyond to protect ourselves as hosts and as of this morning are watching Airbnb refund a Guest AGAIN who came into our home, broke the rules that are clearly defined THREE times in our listing and are then again sent to guests within an hour of their booking and then AGAIN when they are checking in. While the customer Service representative who's name is Luke, was kind and gracious in helping me, he also let me know that regardless of all I had done, the guest would still be refunded OR I could keep the reservation, let them stay and hope the damage wasn't too bad (he had 5 more days on his stay) by the time he checked out if I needed the money.  The even better part, this guest will within minutes be able to book another hosts home and do the same to them. 

 

Essentially I feel like right now I just made a decision to make my problem, another hosts instead....Sickening. 

 

Last week we had a Guest do damage in excess of 12k. When discovered, we immediately contacted our attorneys and Airbnb. All videos, photos, estimates and other documentation have been submitted to Airbnb, but guess what? Not a single call to us. A video of the guests literally allowing their children to rip our personal property apart and throw the discarded pieces into our pool AFTER they tore our sliding Glass doors from their STEAL tracking during a wrestling match was provided....crickets. 

 

But don't worry, 18 solid hours of cleanup with 6 people and a few makeshift repairs and we had the property ready for the next guest 24 hours later...So Airbnb lost exactly ZERO dollars. Why should they care...Right?? 

 

I wonder what impact it would have for Airbnb if I took my voice to The City Council and were open and honest about how Airbnb actually treats hosts and what their booking process currently is? I wonder what impact it would have, if in the most attended City Council Subject meetings a Host that everyone in this city knows with over 1,000 documented trips and reviews where to provide the recorded phone calls and emails of Airbnb simply allowing these substandard guests to continue booking properties while hosts are left holding the bag for damages incurred. I wonder what the impact would be city wide for HOAs to have their hands on information that would confirm the fears that most of them have. 

 

I wonder what impact it would have if my husband and I finally accepted an invitation from another booking platform to provide feedback on how hosts could be better supported, accepted their training, let them take on all of our properties as premier properties and then took to our personal Social Media Following of over 25k ST/Vacation rental owners to educate them on what the TOS for Airbnb really mean for those of us willing to put our personal properties up to be leveraged by a Billion Dollar company that literally owns zero of the Real Estate that is the backbone of their business model? 

 

I wonder what would happen if one of the trusted and valued voices didn't just take all of their properties and left, what if they helped an entire city do the same? What if they became the voice that was heard at many City council meetings? 

 

Dear Airbnb, for a company that owns ZERO of the Brick and Mortar it depends on to bring in these Guests you clearly value so much, you may want to start valuing the voice of the hosts that actually house and take care of them for you. If you go away Airbnb, we as hosts move to another platform.

 

If all of your hosts go away, you have nothing to provide Guests and no need to have a platform to attract them. 

 

Now tell me, who really feeds who here?

 

You have THOUSANDS of Hosts that are working their tails off to help continue the evolution of your Company...just support them with the guarantees YOU promise them when signing up. It really is that simple. 

 

 

 

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Jennifer464
Level 4
Puntarenas Province, Costa Rica

It was a "girls weekend", which I try to avoid as they are disasters almost every singe time! I've had 1 local guest who said he was having work done on his house and needed a place to stay. I had no issue with him but I didn't really think about the locals booking a house for a party thing. Ugh one more thing to add to the list!

 

The only time I accept local guests is if they are doing a renovation but anything along the lines of "dinner party, birthday party or wanting a home a way from home", I don't host with local people. local people know other local people and you will be sure to have many of their friends and friends of friends come over.

 

I state in my house rules that all local guests must submit ID on check-in and this is deterring a lot of the trouble makers. those who do not read the house rules, I tell them of this and they often do not proceed. Following this strategy, I haven't had issues for a while.

Rob539
Level 1
Coimbra District, Portugal

Could you recommend any other sites, that offer better protection?

had a cancellation 28 hrs before the guest was meant to arrive and they were given full refund despite our strict cancellation policy.....extenuating circumstances.....no. dialogue with us.

Then a day later got a booking and two dirty hippies arrived.......sorry for not being politically correct.  Damage done and cleaning took four times the usual time.

looking for other sites, as had no reply from the Airbnb team ...only a week into the claim, so early days.

Lizzie
Former Community Manager
Former Community Manager
London, United Kingdom

Hello @Andrea2711,

 

Lovely to meet you, my name is Lizzie and I am a Community Manager here. 

 

Thank you for sharing your detailed post here and conveying your feelings. I am so sorry to hear about the damage caused to your home, I really do sympathise especially when I can tell how much love and care into your home to make sure you guests have a lovely time. 

 

It does sound as though your case is still being looked into by an Airbnb case manager and due to the complexity of the matter, it can sometimes take a little longer than expected–I'm very hopefully you will hear back on this soon. Having said this, because of the severity, I want you to know that I have escalated this on my side to our Customer Support Team. 

 

I really hope you get this resolved shortly and get back to enjoying hosting. 

 

Speak to you soon.

 

Thank you,

Lizzie

 

 

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Maria188
Level 8
Wells, United Kingdom

I have come to the conclusion that is doesn't matter how much we complain, Airbnb just doesn't care about hosts anymore. For those of us that have been doing this for a while, it really hurts as we remember how good it was in the beginning.  I think perhaps we just have to accept that all Airbnb care about now is money and that means prioritising the guest in all situations. The whole 'Community' thing is just a big marketing ploy and means nothing in reality.  So, I have decided to give priority to bookings from other platforms until a time that Airbnb can show they are actually listening to us.  The key issues I would like addressed are:

 

1. Removal of unfair low reviews - particularly after a damage claim by the host.

 

2. Alteration of Extenuating Circumstances Policy - that favours guests in all ( and I mean ALL) cases.

Funds for this should come from an insurance policy or internal fund - not from hosts.

 

3. The inability to decline a booking without being penalised (either in search rating or by losing superhost status)

 

4. Being forced to offer 'Instant Book'  (otherwise you don't appear in searches)

 

Airbnb talks about trust all the time, but they have totally stopped trusting their hard working, experienced hosts.   Like many on this thread, I feel so stressed now by my Airbnb bookings: Will I get penalised If I decline?  Will the guest leave me a bad review after they cause damage in my home and I make a claim?  Will Airbnb steal my hard-earned money from my payout, any time they like,  under the Extenuating Circumstances Policy? Will I be supported if I have a problem or will  I just get empty platitudes and patronising 'have a great day's from case managers with zero power?  

 

Questions like these take the pleasure right out of hosting and I for one, want to get it back.  If anyone is listening from Airbnb, please take note. I am SO not the only one.

@Maria188 @Lizzie 

it seems my last reply was mysteriously removed despite it backing Maria's points. I will try again

 

I totally agree with Maria especially on the first point - unfair/retaliatory reviews.

 

To allow guests who have destroyed your property or those guests who broke house rules which you can easily prove to be able to leave reviews is not right. Many of us hosts do not leave reviews for such guests out of fear of a retaliatory review from the guest. Why should be suffer because we received a bad guest. To receive a 1 star retaliatory review after they cause damage or break a house rule just adds salt to the wound.

 

Hope the higher up executives at airbnb look into modifying their policies on this matter. It is causing a review system that is not honest because a lot of us hosts do not actually report trouble guests out of fear.

 

Like many hosts before me have suggested, guests who break house rules or damage items should not be allowed to leave a review. If they do, it should be subject to removal on the basis that you can prove they caused damage or broken a house rule.

Maria188
Level 8
Wells, United Kingdom

I appreciate your support @Sean433 . Its a shame we have still not heard from anyone at Airbnb regarding this thread.

@Maria188:. As @Andrea2711 comments about Airbnb’s, (lack of), supporting hosts:

 

You have THOUSANDS of Hosts that are working their tails off to help continue the evolution of your Company...just support them with the guarantees YOU promise them when signing up. It really is that simple.”

 

I agree; it really is that simple, yet Airbnb’s actions lately seem to be a bit hostile towards hosts. Perhaps in the event of a boycott, or as more hosts leave Airbnb and embrace other platforms, Airbnb will reconsider how they value their hosts.


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