Abuse of dominance: Airbnb bullies hosts

Leplubo0
Level 8
Los Angeles, CA

Abuse of dominance: Airbnb bullies hosts

I'm in my 4th year of hosting. Started with airbnb with one property, now got 3 and airbnb only represents 20% of my income. Why? Because they are lying about the coverage of hosts in case of damage. More and more guests know this and abuse the system. More and more hosts realize this and reduce their share of airbnb in favor of alternative marketplaces.

The fact that airbnb is biased favoring the guests is not new to anyone, I guess. But what happened recently is almost unbelievable!

First time guest, an elderly woman from Chicago books. Checks in. I check if all is good, she writes pefect and says she loves the place. No complaint of anything, and the 5 nights stay of her and her family of 8 comes to end. My chek in time is 10, and I have another group coming at 4 pm, so like often, maid needs to work fast.  (this property is 2000 sqft, brand new, remodeled and newly furnished last summer, for up to 14 persons,  considered as mid-range in Orange County, CA or high end in Southern California, had only 5 stars reviews until this guest).

It's now 10:10, since she has not left the property and she does not pick up her phone, the maid knocks at the door. She says she's not done and closes the door. She lets the maid in only at 11. I join later. It was a mess! Food left on the table , dishes unwashed, dirt everywhere, furniture displaced all over, living room armchairs found in the dining room, patio furniture inside the house, pillows  and then a series of damages : Patio table (about $600 value) a blind ($100 value) and a sofa bed cover with a huge stain smelling pee (value $150).
Also my house rules explicitly covers the points about late check out, displaced furniture and every point of my claim.
I write to her the same day with all the pictures and claim $900 (damage + extra cleaning + my time would add up more). She denies everything except the unwashed dishes and accepts to pay $50, but goes online and writes the nastiest review I ever had and the only one star review i got  in 4 years hosting.

I have airbnb involved. Everything was already super detailed documented with a link to Google Photos and high resolution pictures. Table damage being in zoom in the middle of the pic in a prominent way, the broken blind is in a broken position with one side up the other side down, again prominent view, etc...

Joe , the "specialist" from Airbnb Distrust And Unsafety department writes back to me and says this:

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Hi Leplubo,

Thank you for reaching out to us. My name is Joe, and I'm a Trust and Safetyspecialist. I'll be your point of contact throughout the processing of this case.

You are requesting $900 for the following Items: 
1. Late checkout. 
2. Unwashed dishes.
3. Extra work to reset the furniture.
4. Kitchen knife.
5. Broken blinds.
6. Patio Table.
7. Toothbrush holder.
8. Sofa Bed cover.

So far, you have provided us with some photo of the Items and web link to the replacement items.

In order to ensure swift payment, we need more from you:

Please know that our team work with the physical damage only. Some of your submitted photo doesn't seem to be damaged for the following items below: 
(No proof of damage or loss) 
4. Kitchen knife.
5. Broken blinds.
6. Patio Table.

We ask that you provide the following for 4-6:
- Detailed photo of each item damaged by your guest.

Additionally, please provide at least one of the following for "the blinds" and "Patio Table" that you are requesting for reimbursement:

5. Broken blinds: 
- Website showing the average cost of service to repair or replace the item.
- A professional's invoice with repair costs and an incident report describing how the issue arose and why the guest is liable.

6. Patio Table: 
- A professional's invoice with repair costs and an incident report describing how the issue arose and why the guest is liable.

Please submit the requested documentation by 21 April 2019. If you need more time to gather it, please communicate how much time you think you might need.

Should you have any questions or concerns, just reply to this message.

Best,

Joe

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As you may have noticed:

1) Only physcial damage matters. Airbnb explicitly says they don't care if a guest leaves human feces on your beautiful hardwood floor, as long as it can be cleaned. Or of they smoke in your gorgeous non smoking home. Oh the guest checks out late? Host's problem, airbnb does not care.

2) The pictures are absolutely clear (I am a photographer). And later I called airbnb and the rep agreed pics were obvious. Yet, Joe wrote "your submitted photo doesn't seem to be damaged". He could have well written "I am blind" it would be the same.

3) Where it becomes absolutely unbelievable is when he writes this "A professional's invoice with repair costs and an incident report describing how the issue arose and why the guest is liable." They want someone with crystal ball to write down how the guest destroyed my table!!!! Or how they destroyed my blinds?

 

I was mad... I replied to Joe that he was obviously looking for a pretext to deny my request, or maybe he needs glasses. He replied they fund me $19 (not a joke) and closed the file. He and other reps I called refused to have a manager involved stating that the Distrust and Unsafety specialist at airbnb has final words on these claims.

Yes Airbnb sold their 4 year old host, who had brought hundreds of thousands of $ or gross revneu , with a 4.9* average rating from 80 or more guests to a first time guest who broke most of the house rules and denied everything.

Do you really think this business is fair? Or sustainable?

I had my first bad experience only after one year of hosting but there are now more and more frequent. 

I have reduced my share of airbnb from 100% to 20% and count days to be able to delist. I don't have any of these issues on alternative platforms who respect the host and thanks to the real desposit under the hosts's control, guests behave.

Anyone seeing the same trend I am seeing with things getting unreasonably unfair when there is damge or broken house rules?

 

 

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Zappa0
Level 10
Key West, FL

@Lepublo I had someone smear human feces all over my listing. Yup. That happened. 

Mike2212
Level 2
California, United States

Just had a very bad experience with Airbnb.  Right now we are about 50% Airbnb and 50% VRBO.  We will start to wean from Airbnb as it is such a sleazy company.  

A couple of months ago, the Airbnb guests evidently had a wild party at the home and broke a wood patio love chair.  We contacted the guests who would not admit that they broke the chair.  We had to jump through numerous hoops with Airbnb to get the refund for the chair.  VRBO has been so easy for us as every guest is required to buy a insurance.  If there is damage, we deal with the insurance company and do not have to interact with the guests.  Also, absolutely agree that VRBO guests are of much better quality.

 

What finally made us to decide weaning off Airbnb now is the current experience we have had with Airbnb.  We had a guest with a group of about 10 people last weekend (11/06-11/08).  Our house is quite popular and he booked in early October.  A week before his stay last weekend, he asked if he could cancel with full refund (he could only get half refund per our refund policy), claiming sudden fear of Covid.  We told him that we will refund him half of the money, and might be able to refund him full if we can re-rent it right away (we usually have no problem re-rent the house within a week).  He decided not to cancel the booking.

 

The guest showed up Friday evening and we got a text from him around 8 pm, claiming some bugs in the living room.  We asked him is everything otherwise ok, he said yes.  Our Nest video surveillance in the back yard showing the group singing and laughing with loud music on until mid night on the back patio.  We brought over some bug spray early next day (11/07/20, Saturday) and did not hear from him again.  Our Nest video surveillance showed 2 new groups of guests in 2 separate cars coming to the house in late morning of Saturday.  All stayed in the house with Nest surveillance cameras in the back showing guests in the back looking at the views (2+ acre house with beautiful Mountain View’s), taking photos of each other and praising how much they liked the property.  Again singing, laughing, talking with loud music until late night.  They left around 10 AM on Sunday (11/08/20).  We were notified through Airbnb that the guest wrote a review around 5 PM Sunday.  Shockingly, 3 hours later around 8 PM Sunday, we received a demand of full refund of the stay ($1,100+) in English with poor grammar through Airbnb from the guest due to “healthy concern due infestation in the living room.”  We refused to refund any money as they should have left the property if there was true health concerns, let alone inviting more people to come to the house the next day.  We had all the communications through Airbnb and we also have Nest video recording showing the guests enjoyed themselves all the way throughout their stay.

 

We reported this blatant blackmail to Airbnb.  One CS person working on the refund issue agrees that we did not need to refund the guest any money.  However, we had to call Airbnb multiple times concerning removing the review.  We finally reached a CS (Ringo) and was told that we could not read the review per Airbnb policy.  Not sure how Airbnb will follow the same policy when it is a blatant money extortion case?  Actually, it does not matter if we see this guest’s review or not, as it has to be biased to support his money extortion.  The CS Ringo said that Airbnb is NOT taking side on this case and this guest’s review will be treated just like any other guests’.   We were truly shocked by his statement - we asked him if Airbnb really want to keep/collect these predatory people on their guest list by condoning and enabling their blatant extortion.  The CS Ringo also said that Airbnb will not do any investigation (ie viewing the Nest videos etc) for any slander/lies in this guest’ review.  We told the CS Ringo that if Airbnb will post this guest’s review and validate his rating (we assume it had to be 1 star in order to support his demand of full refund) while fully aware of the circumstance, we will close down our listing on Airbnb, and work with other online vacation rental platforms.  His response was “That is ok.”  Wow, it has really opened my eyes as how low Airbnb is willing to go to collect travelers no matter what they did and who they are.  I agree with one of the above opinions that action law suits are waiting to happen to this indecent company.

Melissa816
Level 2
Austin, TX

I hate having new guests they destroy your house and when you report it they do nothing about it! I documented everything all the destroyed towels etc... I even put in my review about the group of guests. Airbnb only gives canned responses they waited past the 14 days to respond to me and get involved. Then they won't even try to resolve the issue. Customer service is zero since COVID-19. They don't even give you to managers when you ask! I will never take a new guest again that has no reviews 90% of the ones I have cause great damages and 10O% since COVID-19. They send mass emails saying their hosts are their partners it's all lies. They never protect the host. They are only in it for the money. I see why super hosts like me are leaving the site. I will too soon if this isn't resolved.

Mike2212
Level 2
California, United States

We need to have our voice heard and expose the indecent practice by Airbnb.  

 

There was an article by vice.com on guests being scammed on Airbnb.  People do not realize that it is a lot easier to abuse the system by unscrupulous guests, particularly by company like Airbnb who wants to expand its clientele with no bottom lines.  Here is the email for a vice.com senior writer.  Please write to her about our horrible host experiences with Airbnb: Anna.merlan@vice.com

 

 

Do I need to use a specific subject line so they will read it and possibly help us do something about all this? Did you write them as well?

Rebecca1551
Level 2
Montélimar, France

I have had a horrific experience with Airbnb policy following a guest who stayed in my home and then asked for a partial refund at the end of her 3 week stay. Airbnb has told me vaguely I have to reimburse 1/3 of the money from their reservation from my next reservation profits. The worst is that so far I have only understood that the guest has complained about features not being present (yet they were not listed in the listing!), features that she claimed were broken yet functioned perfectly, and she staged some pictures of dust under the bed. On the other hand, Airbnb has not answered my questions and will not explain why I was not informed of the problem until 4 weeks after the guest had apparently informed them. The guest did not follow their own policy of trying to contact me to report and resolve the issue. Thus, she was guaranteed a reimbursement because we couldn't resolve and clarify (and verify!) her false claims.

Has anyone found a solution to a case like this?