Calling BS on the "biased review" (revenge review) policy

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Calling BS on the "biased review" (revenge review) policy

We recently had a very stressful and upsetting experience with 2 guests who violated our House Rules and was only "resolved" when we called the police.  How Airbnb did NOT support us during and after the incident which led to a revenge review suggests that little has changed and it is all PR when the new policy on "biased reviews" was introduced last year post Orinda.

 

@Stephanie you should take note since any host who would take the time to read this would likely also come to the conclusion we as hosts are unfairly treated and punished twice by these guests who manipulate the review system.

 

We are experienced Superhosts and have a flat in a terrace house (where there are other flats).  We took a booking in Feb by "P" and "A".  During the booking process, we asked them to review and accept our House Rules, which we ask every guest.  In fact, P messaged us they accept our Rules AND highlighted one we specifically mentioned--"no external guests".

 

We received praise for our flat and travel tips until one evening during the middle of their stay when we were alerted P and A had arranged for two unauthorised visitors to enter our building and presumably our flat--the former was confirmed via outside security camera, the existence of which is noted clearly on our listing, and which was only reviewed after we were contacted by building management regarding the violation. We immediately reached out to P with several Airbnb messages and tried to call P but we were ignored.

 

We went to our building to speak to them via the building intercom and calmly and politely reminded them of our clearly listed House Rules and request the visitors to leave. P came outside and began raising his voice, rudely and arrogantly saying that he could have anyone inside he wanted to, because “we paid for it”.  He was very aggressive--we calmly asked him to lower his voice so as to NOT disturb our neighbours--and began to physically and verbally threaten us, asserting he would make us pay in our review.  The 4 of them left the house shortly.    ***Much of this was captured on video.***

 

Later the same night we were alerted that P again had unauthorised visitors inside our home, which was confirmed on the external building security camera. From that point P refused to communicate in any way. We contacted Airbnb CS, advised them of the situation and requested they get in touch with P.  We had to go through one escalation, retell our story even after we asked them to read the message thread and send them frame shots (rather than the entire video), were told they need time to review it.  The CS Manager ended up taking off for the night--as we discovered when we called CS 90 minutes later to check if any action was taken.  So we had to begin a second round of escalation, put on hold, send videos, told they needed to review it, etc.

 

The next morning we began a third round of calls with CS which prompted CS to finally take action--P continued to ignore all messages, phone calls, etc.  At this point Airbnb CS cancelled his booking for repeatedly violating House Rules in having unauthorised guests and for subsequently ignoring all attempts at communication.  P did finally write us back once, stating that he refused to leave our home unless Airbnb found him alternative accomodation. Despite being given multiple extensions and a final departure deadline of 1.30pm, P and A had still not left the property by 3pm, and refused to answer any messages, phone calls, or even answer our home intercom as I personally stood at the front door, afraid for my personal safety to go inside my own home. We were forced to call the police to assist in ensuring P and A left our home, which they finally did only after police arrived at 3:30pm.

 

But the nightmare was not over for us.  P carried out his threat a few days later and submitted a revenge review (1-star).  His review included a number of factual errors--he claimed we never contacted him before he heard from us on the intercom (we have an Airbnb message trail to disprove that), that we were angry and aggressive towards him (we have on video we asked him to lower his voice and he was the aggressor) and his two guests were a niece and her friend (we have no definitive proof, but our video showed they didn't know each other until that night and F and A used fake names to introduce themselves to the ladies at the building front door.  Neither women mentioned once they are relatives during F's angry rants).

 

It's also somewhat irrelevant what their relations or nature of the interactions were--he basically admitted he had unauthorised guests. P also wrote it was his human rights to have conversations with the women.  He also claimed Airbnb CS sent him a message to APOLOGISE for the unpleasant experience for HIM (apparently CS did in fact do this BLINDLY ignoring the messages, etc...as we later found out!!!).

 

We immediately called Airbnb after P's review was posted and went over our case, again with Airbnb message trail and video evidence.  Despite clear evidence of falsehood in P's review, our video, Airbnb CS cancelling their booking (so someone at CS was convinced there was enough grounds to do this), Airbnb after their review denied our request to have the revenge review and the 1-star rating removed.

 

This leads to the following observations...

 

The "biased review" policy is just PR.  Our case is as clear cut as it gets--when the guests actually said they were going to write a revenge review!  What further proof do we need?  Airbnb has sided with unscrupulous guests whom they kicked out by cancelling the booking.   Oh wait, we got the police to move them while Airbnb did nothing.

 

It doesn't matter whether it's 2 unauthorised guest, 20 or 200...it's the principle.  You would think after Orinda, Airbnb would actually take these violations seriously instead of allowing us hosts to be punished TWICE.  What further proof do we need? 

 

If unscrupulous guests can violate Rules and explicitly threaten hosts with no consequences whilst we get punished losing our Superhost status, one asks what foundational trust is left?

 

Thank you for reading this.

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Ian-And-Anne-Marie0
Level 10
Kendal, United Kingdom

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

The fact that your two authorised guests acknowledged your "no external guests" rule indicates that they just blatantly ignored your House Rules and probably intended to bring back two girls all along. Knowing this, they should have informed you. It is not for you as a Host to normalise their behaviour by amending their booking.

 

I can see @Ocean50 and @Sarah977 's points about not intervening until a later point - and I have done that on certain occasions which worked out well, but in your case on confronting your guests and their response, they should have backed down, made amends, behaved, and been as sweet as pie afterwards. They should be responsible for amending their own booking - and you (perhaps) graciously accepting. But it not being guaranteed.

 

That 'confronting' guests aspect usually only results in a negative review. That shouldn't be the case and Airbnb should have supported your every action. Airbnb cannot stand by in allowing guests to disregard House Rules and even their own T&C's. Your house, your rules.

 

In cases like this where guests break any House Rules and it can be proven by the Host as you so clearly can, the guests' review should be voided completely as they clearly do not understand an acceptable way to behave.

 

So here... on the "Hosting" discussion room, accessed by Guests and Hosts alike, Guests get an insight to how badly they can behave at Airbnb's condolence, to no recompense, and obtain training in that 'Airbnb way' which penalises Hosts.

 

@Jo-and-Ivan0 I think your case treatment has been despicable. Thanks for bringing it to Hosts' attention. In the future, Guests may find they need to jump through further hoops before being allowed access to Airbnb listings because of this spiralling distinct lack of trust in the booking platform. That easy going Host of the past has wisened up and has learned the only option will be to evict guests and suffer the consequences later. Lets face it, the consequences happen anyway so there's no point in pretending we will live in hope that it won't.

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@Ian-And-Anne-Marie0  Thank you for noting that.  We weren't sure they fully read the Rules during the booking--let's face it, a lot of our guests don't--so we repeated for them and asked "if they are aware..."

 

And they wrote back in their reply "no smoking...no external visitors"--all documented in Airbnb messaging.

 

When we spoke to them on our intercom, we didn't ask the guests to leave or threaten to call the police.  We simply reminded them that they are breaking the House Rules.  P chose to come out of our building, spoke very loudly ("we can let it whoever we want") and physically intimidate and threaten a revenge review BEFORE any of this escalated.

 

The point of my post is not about whether hosts agree with our "no external visitor" rule.  

 

What seems to gotten lost is, the guest broke the Rules and when we made them aware, they threatened a revenge review, went ahead and did it with the review containing a number of false statements as proven by our security video which we shared with Airbnb CS.  If you read the policy on "biased reviews" we have a very clear case.

 

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

I think Airbnb need to realise that without hosts their platform is nothing. They can have all the guests in the world but if they cannot provide them anywhere to stay, all they have is a list.

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

We weren't sure they fully read the Rules during the booking--let's face it, a lot of our guests don't--so we repeated for them and asked "if they are aware..."

 

And they wrote back in their reply "no smoking...no external visitors"--all documented in Airbnb messaging.

 

We do that too. When they've acknowledged reading your rules then break them, they're just abusive users.

Hi Jo and Ivan, I think it is wise to charge per guest after the first two and also to ask for ID for all adult guests as a house rule and to make it clear that you live in a community and neighbours must be respected.Meet people and have a bit of a discussion. If men want to pick up women and take them home then let them know that your place is not that kinda place. Not really sure how you do that but asking them why they are travelling for a start and why they booked for four if they are only two guests. I have my favourite types of guests and that would not be them . If they bother you then you need to filter them before they get to your place. There are guests none of us ever want to see again and often they appear harmless but after a while you figure out who they are.

Jo56
Level 10
Darlinghurst, Australia

@Sarah977 and @Ocean50 

Simply, we have a right to know who will be inside our homes. We are NOT a hotel, so do not think solely in terms of "number of guests paid for". Our concern, as it always has been, is to carefully maintain the security of our fellow neighbours in the building, maintain the security of our HOME, and maintain our quiet local neighbourhood. We have a right to ask for, and expect that only those people we have been advised will be staying in our HOME will be the only people entering our home and can be entrusted to maintain the security of our HOME and personal furnishings and belongings by simply following clear agreement of the terms of a stay. I highlight that on Airbnb, as hosts, we do not have access to guest ID, and can only assume that Airbnb holds accurate identification for at least one guest if things "go wrong". 

Unauthorised visitors being invited into our home off the street, causing a loud disturbance to our fellow neighbours was the initial issue. The disturbance was what caused us to attempt to contact the guest only to calmly and kindly remind them of the House Rules accepted and confirmed in their own words - that no visitors or unauthorised guests are allowed in our home, only booked guests - and ask them to have their visitors leave as they were causing a disturbance. We did this first by Airbnb message. They did not respond. We later tried calling the guest. They did not answer.

 

When a neighbour has contacted you as a host and home owner regarding noise disturbing their right to peace and quiet, we believe that you act. Our neighbours are what matters (we realise many, operating their properties as hotels, certainly don't care about the neighbours, we do). Only then, when other attempts to communicate had failed, did I contact the guest via our building intercom. When we did so, I waited at the building entry after calmly reminding the guest that visitors are not allowed, and very kindly asked that they have their visitors leave. It was at this stage the guest came out and was aggressive and abusive to me. As a lone woman standing in the dark of night it was, frankly, terrifying. The guest review of course minimises and excuses all behaviour to make it seem they were having a quiet, calm night. This is false.

 

Later the same night the guests again invited unknown 'visitors' into our home a second time.  The guest no longer communicated in any form. It was a stressful and sleepless night wondering if our home would be damaged.

The police were ONLY mentioned to the guests the following day, *after* Airbnb had cancelled their reservation for the previous day/ night's breach, and the guests' aggression and threats. By this stage we had already been coerced by Airbnb into allowing them an extended "check-out" of 1pm. At 3pm they had still not left our home and, more critically, refused to communicate with us, or even answer our building intercom (which I attempted in fearful desperation). We advised them by Airbnb msg that if they didn't depart we would be forced to ask police to assist in having them leave. This is many hours after they were to have left our home. I'm not sure you are understanding of the personal fear I felt in trying to access my own home, and the fear of what the guests may have done to our home after their threats.

 

The guest has, in his review, falsely attempted to indicate that this was a benign situation. It was not. The entire review is false, as is evidenced by our Airbnb messages and the external security camera footage, which we provided to Airbnb. But he can say what he wants, can't he? This is exactly what a "revenge review" is. 

 

We have been around the block quite a few times as hosts over the many, many years we have opened our home to guests on Airbnb, and have plenty of experience in 'letting things slide' when things are not a big deal. This was NOT one of those times, I can assure you. This quickly turned from an issue of unauthorised visitors in our home disturbing the neighbours to an issue of aggression and threats, then, ultimately, trespassing. *That* is the issue.  

Now to add insult to injury Airbnb refuses to remove his completely false and therefore defamatory review

Helen744
Level 10
Victoria, Australia

Hi Jo,all my sympathy, I get the level of intimidation that you can feel when it is late at night and instead of dealing with the two sober people during the day you are now dealing with four agressive and probably intoxicated but certainly hostile people as a women on your own . They are not in the mood to read the guidlines or rules  but an update to four guests at an increased cost usually pours cold water on the situation.We had a fellow once who booked for one and we charge extra per person. He had all the night shift workers sleeping at the house during the day and a different group at night. He was sub letting and suggested to us that the daytime sleepers were not overnight guests because they worked at night.

@Ocean50 @Jo-and-Ivan0 

I don't think we  missed the part of the intimidation. Nobody is going to support them on that. However, what I think Ocean is saying is that it should not have gotten to that point.

 

I think pride and principle can be a dangerous thing when it overrides discretion and making decisions in context. Guest booked for 1 but came with 4. The max you allow is 4. You charge the same regardless of 1 or 4 guests coming. If there were more than 4 guests, than that would be a risk to your property and also a form of theft but that did not happen.

 

You could have just updated the reservation to increase the guest count to 4 and ask him to accept it if you wanted a record of 4 guests staying there for insurance purposes.

@Sean433 See my reply above to @Sarah977 .  The bit about the who was staying at our flat was explicitly requested (by us) and confirmed (by them) prior to their stay.  There was no miscommunication there.

 

They got our messages that night--they had been very good with comms up till then--and if they replied it's just a short visit, we could have said it's OK please limit it to a very short visit.  They chose to ignore our attempts because they know they broke the rules and we gave them many chances.

 

It was never about getting more fees from then, but rather a security issue.  As you correctly indicated, once the extra people enter our flat, Airbnb's host protection becomes potentially void.

 

 

 

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

 

And that is why I said you have just updated the reservation to include 4 guests afterwords. I do this often and it has never led to any guest yelling or screaming at me and I manage some 10 listings.

 

I am not going to say what they did was right. Nobody here is actually. What some of us are saying is that there is a right way of handling things and a wrong way. You could have handled it better. I know it is frustrating when guests lie but unfortunately we often have to be the better person and sometimes that means putting pride aside.

 

The only time I would ever confront a guest the way you did is if there was imminent danger to the property which I have had to do a couple of times. Is it worth risking your safety so you can win an argument and be declared the right person? Some would say it is not even worth risking your safety to confront a house party taking place although i probably would still confront guests in such a scenario but this was not worth the risk in my opinion.

I think it is the guests responsibility to ensure the correct number of guests is booked for . I cannot see how not telling the host that four people are sleeping in her house not one could ever be okay and certainly not sneaking them in later as they have done.She was lied to about the number of guests. Simple . She is not running what we euphemistically call a "knocking shop" as that is illegal nor is she allowing prostitution in her home behind her back.so yuk it up boys and grow up.

They broke the rules, simple as that. I am not willing to allow a guest to control the situation when my investment could be at risk.

@Juan63 Totally agree with you.  We may seem harsh to some like @Ocean50 , but had they mentioned the family connection, etc we might even be persuaded to let them stay for a short while.

 

However when the guest became aggressive, physically intimidated us and threatened us with a revenge review, they crossed the line.

I have always said, guests who break rules, whether they stay or not, should NOT be allowed to leave star reviews. I'd be willing to allow them to leave a written review because you can respond. As a long time guest, I always consider the host response when booking a place.

Jay120
Level 5
Criccieth, United Kingdom

House rules exclude any extra guests! What is your problem? It is a Covid-19 situation where households are not allowed to mix. I cannot believe you would say it is not clear and these guests would be within their rights. When police are involved, you should stand  back!

Melodie-And-John0
Level 10
Munnsville, NY

@Jo-and-Ivan0  Wow, holy cow, thats an awful experience.  We do allow visitors but restrict other areas to mitigate their effects and if things get loud, Im on top of it cause we live here.   I hope they didnt damage the space as well.  Im wondering, did they have good reviews before they rented your space?  did you whack them sufficiently in your review of them? If they did a public response, you can reply with an appropriate retort explaining you had to contact the police on them.    Also, a one star review in your profile should stick out like a crow in a flock of seagulls.  AIrbnb should have supported your situation more, unfortunately were not really the one who pays their checks so they are no equally beholding to us as they are the guests, its not fair but it is what it is... Hope it the last one you have like that, John