Calling BS on the "biased review" (revenge review) policy

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Calling BS on the "biased review" (revenge review) policy

We recently had a very stressful and upsetting experience with 2 guests who violated our House Rules and was only "resolved" when we called the police.  How Airbnb did NOT support us during and after the incident which led to a revenge review suggests that little has changed and it is all PR when the new policy on "biased reviews" was introduced last year post Orinda.

 

@Stephanie you should take note since any host who would take the time to read this would likely also come to the conclusion we as hosts are unfairly treated and punished twice by these guests who manipulate the review system.

 

We are experienced Superhosts and have a flat in a terrace house (where there are other flats).  We took a booking in Feb by "P" and "A".  During the booking process, we asked them to review and accept our House Rules, which we ask every guest.  In fact, P messaged us they accept our Rules AND highlighted one we specifically mentioned--"no external guests".

 

We received praise for our flat and travel tips until one evening during the middle of their stay when we were alerted P and A had arranged for two unauthorised visitors to enter our building and presumably our flat--the former was confirmed via outside security camera, the existence of which is noted clearly on our listing, and which was only reviewed after we were contacted by building management regarding the violation. We immediately reached out to P with several Airbnb messages and tried to call P but we were ignored.

 

We went to our building to speak to them via the building intercom and calmly and politely reminded them of our clearly listed House Rules and request the visitors to leave. P came outside and began raising his voice, rudely and arrogantly saying that he could have anyone inside he wanted to, because “we paid for it”.  He was very aggressive--we calmly asked him to lower his voice so as to NOT disturb our neighbours--and began to physically and verbally threaten us, asserting he would make us pay in our review.  The 4 of them left the house shortly.    ***Much of this was captured on video.***

 

Later the same night we were alerted that P again had unauthorised visitors inside our home, which was confirmed on the external building security camera. From that point P refused to communicate in any way. We contacted Airbnb CS, advised them of the situation and requested they get in touch with P.  We had to go through one escalation, retell our story even after we asked them to read the message thread and send them frame shots (rather than the entire video), were told they need time to review it.  The CS Manager ended up taking off for the night--as we discovered when we called CS 90 minutes later to check if any action was taken.  So we had to begin a second round of escalation, put on hold, send videos, told they needed to review it, etc.

 

The next morning we began a third round of calls with CS which prompted CS to finally take action--P continued to ignore all messages, phone calls, etc.  At this point Airbnb CS cancelled his booking for repeatedly violating House Rules in having unauthorised guests and for subsequently ignoring all attempts at communication.  P did finally write us back once, stating that he refused to leave our home unless Airbnb found him alternative accomodation. Despite being given multiple extensions and a final departure deadline of 1.30pm, P and A had still not left the property by 3pm, and refused to answer any messages, phone calls, or even answer our home intercom as I personally stood at the front door, afraid for my personal safety to go inside my own home. We were forced to call the police to assist in ensuring P and A left our home, which they finally did only after police arrived at 3:30pm.

 

But the nightmare was not over for us.  P carried out his threat a few days later and submitted a revenge review (1-star).  His review included a number of factual errors--he claimed we never contacted him before he heard from us on the intercom (we have an Airbnb message trail to disprove that), that we were angry and aggressive towards him (we have on video we asked him to lower his voice and he was the aggressor) and his two guests were a niece and her friend (we have no definitive proof, but our video showed they didn't know each other until that night and F and A used fake names to introduce themselves to the ladies at the building front door.  Neither women mentioned once they are relatives during F's angry rants).

 

It's also somewhat irrelevant what their relations or nature of the interactions were--he basically admitted he had unauthorised guests. P also wrote it was his human rights to have conversations with the women.  He also claimed Airbnb CS sent him a message to APOLOGISE for the unpleasant experience for HIM (apparently CS did in fact do this BLINDLY ignoring the messages, etc...as we later found out!!!).

 

We immediately called Airbnb after P's review was posted and went over our case, again with Airbnb message trail and video evidence.  Despite clear evidence of falsehood in P's review, our video, Airbnb CS cancelling their booking (so someone at CS was convinced there was enough grounds to do this), Airbnb after their review denied our request to have the revenge review and the 1-star rating removed.

 

This leads to the following observations...

 

The "biased review" policy is just PR.  Our case is as clear cut as it gets--when the guests actually said they were going to write a revenge review!  What further proof do we need?  Airbnb has sided with unscrupulous guests whom they kicked out by cancelling the booking.   Oh wait, we got the police to move them while Airbnb did nothing.

 

It doesn't matter whether it's 2 unauthorised guest, 20 or 200...it's the principle.  You would think after Orinda, Airbnb would actually take these violations seriously instead of allowing us hosts to be punished TWICE.  What further proof do we need? 

 

If unscrupulous guests can violate Rules and explicitly threaten hosts with no consequences whilst we get punished losing our Superhost status, one asks what foundational trust is left?

 

Thank you for reading this.

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Ian-And-Anne-Marie0
Level 10
Kendal, United Kingdom

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

The fact that your two authorised guests acknowledged your "no external guests" rule indicates that they just blatantly ignored your House Rules and probably intended to bring back two girls all along. Knowing this, they should have informed you. It is not for you as a Host to normalise their behaviour by amending their booking.

 

I can see @Ocean50 and @Sarah977 's points about not intervening until a later point - and I have done that on certain occasions which worked out well, but in your case on confronting your guests and their response, they should have backed down, made amends, behaved, and been as sweet as pie afterwards. They should be responsible for amending their own booking - and you (perhaps) graciously accepting. But it not being guaranteed.

 

That 'confronting' guests aspect usually only results in a negative review. That shouldn't be the case and Airbnb should have supported your every action. Airbnb cannot stand by in allowing guests to disregard House Rules and even their own T&C's. Your house, your rules.

 

In cases like this where guests break any House Rules and it can be proven by the Host as you so clearly can, the guests' review should be voided completely as they clearly do not understand an acceptable way to behave.

 

So here... on the "Hosting" discussion room, accessed by Guests and Hosts alike, Guests get an insight to how badly they can behave at Airbnb's condolence, to no recompense, and obtain training in that 'Airbnb way' which penalises Hosts.

 

@Jo-and-Ivan0 I think your case treatment has been despicable. Thanks for bringing it to Hosts' attention. In the future, Guests may find they need to jump through further hoops before being allowed access to Airbnb listings because of this spiralling distinct lack of trust in the booking platform. That easy going Host of the past has wisened up and has learned the only option will be to evict guests and suffer the consequences later. Lets face it, the consequences happen anyway so there's no point in pretending we will live in hope that it won't.

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@Melodie-And-John0  they had decent reviews, so we didn't consider them high risk at the time of booking.  But we scanned through the places they stayed before--none of them appeared to be "highly monitored"--the host isn't around to learn they have a niece in every town.  The place they stayed at prior to ours gave them a mediocre review, but that was published after their stay with us.

 

In our case, we don't regularly and actively monitor people coming in and out of the building; this was brought to our attention by neighbours. 

 

As mentioned, I don't mind their review comments because we simply stated everything that happened (including the police coming) so future hosts are forewarned.  The 1-star will kill our Superhost rating however.

 

I have seen enough Superhosts on here lamenting that you host enough guests you're bound to get one trouble-maker sooner or later.

We are the ones paying the cheque make no mistake about it. It comes from our earnings.

Ian-And-Anne-Marie0
Level 10
Kendal, United Kingdom

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

The fact that your two authorised guests acknowledged your "no external guests" rule indicates that they just blatantly ignored your House Rules and probably intended to bring back two girls all along. Knowing this, they should have informed you. It is not for you as a Host to normalise their behaviour by amending their booking.

 

I can see @Ocean50 and @Sarah977 's points about not intervening until a later point - and I have done that on certain occasions which worked out well, but in your case on confronting your guests and their response, they should have backed down, made amends, behaved, and been as sweet as pie afterwards. They should be responsible for amending their own booking - and you (perhaps) graciously accepting. But it not being guaranteed.

 

That 'confronting' guests aspect usually only results in a negative review. That shouldn't be the case and Airbnb should have supported your every action. Airbnb cannot stand by in allowing guests to disregard House Rules and even their own T&C's. Your house, your rules.

 

In cases like this where guests break any House Rules and it can be proven by the Host as you so clearly can, the guests' review should be voided completely as they clearly do not understand an acceptable way to behave.

 

So here... on the "Hosting" discussion room, accessed by Guests and Hosts alike, Guests get an insight to how badly they can behave at Airbnb's condolence, to no recompense, and obtain training in that 'Airbnb way' which penalises Hosts.

 

@Jo-and-Ivan0 I think your case treatment has been despicable. Thanks for bringing it to Hosts' attention. In the future, Guests may find they need to jump through further hoops before being allowed access to Airbnb listings because of this spiralling distinct lack of trust in the booking platform. That easy going Host of the past has wisened up and has learned the only option will be to evict guests and suffer the consequences later. Lets face it, the consequences happen anyway so there's no point in pretending we will live in hope that it won't.

Mike-And-Jane0
Level 10
England, United Kingdom

@Jo-and-Ivan0 

Have Airbnb come to their senses? I can't find a bad review on your listing - has it been removed

@Mike-And-Jane0 No it hasn't.  It's still there if you look hard enough.

 

Again I don't care so much about the review comments.  Heck, I wish we could post our video!

 

It's the 1-star that'll kill our long held Superhost status.

Ute42
Level 10
Germany

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@Jo-and-Ivan0 

 

I also cannot find a negative review and I read them all - did I miss it?

 

Can You pls clarify if airbnb did take the review down or not. If they did not take it down, which one is it?

 

Update:

 

You just stated: " It's still there if you look hard enough". I'm sorry but I do not have the time to read all of Your reviews again and again. Why can't You just tell us which one it is?

 

 

@Ute42  It's listed under my cohost--for this property I'm the cohost and my wife is the primary.

 

It's definitely still there, I checked.  It's in Spanish.

 

 

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@Jo-and-Ivan0 

 

I'm sorry, but I don't understand and I'm losing track of this story.

I'm under the impression that You don't want to be as clear as You could.

 

@Ute42  Again, my wife and I manage this property--she's the primary and I'm the cohost--and for whatever reason it's easily visible if you look her up but not so under me.

 

Thank you for your time but I have nothing to hide and happy to be clear (thought I provided too many details and bore people).

@Jo-and-Ivan0 You may give yourself a heart attack getting that stressed about 2 extra guests. If no harm is being done, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.  I’m happy nobody was hurt and things between you and your guest de-escalated. 1 star reviews burn but after awhile the sting goes away. 

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@Jo-and-Ivan0 

 

Thank You. Now I've found it. For everyone else looking for the review it's under this profile:

 

https://www.airbnb.de/users/show/9182280

 

The review was left from some Pedro. Here's the wording:

 

Februar 2020
Pésima experiencia. Al quinto día de estar en este alojamiento, una sobrina que vive en Sydney, acompañada de una amiga, pasaron a saludarnos. A los pocos minutos de haber llegado, la anfitriona se presentó furiosa y nos pidió que ellas se fueran inmediatamente y procedió a esperar en la puerta de entrada en actitud hostil. Por lo anterior, y choqueados por esta sobre reacción, salimos un momento del lugar para tranquilizarnos y, después, volvimos para comer una pizza y luego salir, todo en una hora razonable, 23:30. La anfitriona controla a través de cámaras y micrófonos. Minutos más tarde recibí el primero de muchos mensaje electrónicos en que notificada que debíamos irnos; canceló unilateralmente la reserva y nos amenazó con que llamaría a la policía. Todo fue una pesadilla que nos afectó psicológicamente. Nosotros tampoco queríamos seguir ahí, sentíamos que estaba en riesgo nuestra seguridad. Días después, Airbnb nos envió una nota, luego que se interiorizaron de la situación vivida. En lo pertinente dice: "Desde Airbnb queremos disculparnos por la mala experiencia que vivieron a raíz de los problemas que transcurrieron en la salida de esta reserva. Entendemos perfectamente que no es una situación agradable de pasar y por eso remarcamos una disculpas sinceras de nuestra parte.".
 
Google translate:

Terrible experience. On the fifth day of being in this accommodation, a niece who lives in Sydney, accompanied by a friend, came to greet us. Within a few minutes of arriving, the hostess appeared furious and asked us to leave immediately and proceeded to wait at the front door in a hostile attitude. Because of the above, and shocked by this overreaction, we left the place for a moment to calm down, and then we returned to eat a pizza and then leave, all at a reasonable hour, 11:30 p.m. The hostess controls through cameras and microphones. Minutes later I received the first of many electronic messages that notified us that we had to leave; He unilaterally canceled the reservation and threatened to call the police. It was all a nightmare that affected us psychologically. We did not want to continue there either, we felt that our safety was at risk. Days later, Airbnb sent us a note, after they internalized the situation. In what is pertinent, he says: "From Airbnb we want to apologize for the bad experience they experienced as a result of the problems that occurred in the departure of this reservation. We fully understand that it is not a pleasant situation to go through and therefore we would like to express our sincere apologies. . ".

 

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The listing in question „Quiet Oasis in Darlinghurst“ has the same price for 1, 2, 3 or 4 guests.

 

@Ute42  Yes, the OP already said it wasn't a matter of extracting more money from th guests, it's the fact that they had lied about their intentions, even when pointedly asked during booking to confirm the number of guests. And the OP also says that all guests have to be registered on the booking. 

@Ute42 

With the guest fully aware of the House Rules and acknowledging such, and in possession of the Hosts contact details, it would have been a very easy task to inform the Host @Jo-and-Ivan0 that there would be visitors at some time.

 

 

 

@Ute42 

@Jo-and-Ivan0  House Rules:

 

PLEASE NOTE WE DO NOT ALLOW VISITORS/UNBOOKED GUESTS IN OUR BUILDING OR HOME. NOR DO WE ALLOW PARTIES/GATHERINGS IN OUR HOME.

 

 

There is an external security camera at the building entrance for security reasons, for building management to monitor guest numbers (max of 4 as stated) and unapproved access of visitors in the building.