Do reviews matter anymore?... not to the bad guest

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Lb0
Level 3
United States

Do reviews matter anymore?... not to the bad guest

We are hosts in 3 parts of the world, ME, AZ, MEX. 

 

We are super hosts.  We have 8 properties.  We have in the past touted it as a means to host good people, use our properties, and make a little money.  We have inspired  other hosts to start hosting.  However, has anyone else noticed the high influx of bad, rude, rule breaking, conning guests in their Airbnb’s?  Our percentage has been creeping up from the 5%/95% bad to good, (during 2015-2017 years), 25%/75% bad to good to now.  

 

Recently I’ve had the experience to understand this trend. 

 

Reviews don’t matter.  Bad guests can call Airbnb and have their reviews taken down and cry “policy.”  We were recently exhorted $500 refund for a good review.  Guest cried “snake” in our cabin to us, our knee jerk surprise was to issue a refund, not for a good review, but for such a bad experience.  Explicit details how they "wrangled the snake in a jar."  Wow!  Didn't see that coming.  I didn't even think to ask for a picture.  My responsibility.  Later, we find out she cried “COVID” to Airbnb just hours before with no success.  When I called her on it in the private review, she called Airbnb and had my and her review taken down crying “policy.”  Yes, lots of crying.  Squeaky wheel MO.  

 

Question:  Were we as hosts not told, once a blind review goes up, it’s in stone for eternity, of course, with the option of rebuttal?  That is the premise we have operated under, not knowing there was a rational to explain the downturn in quality of guests.

 

We spend hours writing accurate reviews as  believing  the system was fair and upright. 

 

Now, realising it is broken, we are no longer writing reviews.  In fact, we have just had all of our 200+ reviews taken down under the “authoring” clause of reviews.  A Resolution specialist in Colombia has been working for two days on the reviews extraction, per orders of his supervisor.  Airbnb left us no other choice after giving them several options, they chose to side with the guest...again.  Airbnb has to support hosts or we are very exposed to these bad guests.  Reviews use to be our armor.  Now, we have no protection and most users know this, hence their crumby behavior and actions.   We will be moving to our own system of filtering and a monetary penalty model for rules, cleanliness and communication.  Has anyone had their own success on filtering guests?  Would appreciate hearing your experience.  Maybe we can solve the problem together.  

 

Any success on alternatives?  VRBO?  FlipKey?  Lodgify?  HipCamp?

 

I suspect this post will be taken down/censored as well.  Another nail toward our pending dystopian society.  

 

LB

 

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Ann72
Level 10
New York, NY

@Lb0  I've been thinking about whether we hosts are training guests to demand refunds.  Case in point - your response to her saying there was a snake in your cabin.  Why do hosts jump straight to the refund option at the slightest inconvenience?  You must know that there are no poisonous snakes in Maine, so if there had been a snake, she was in no danger.

 

In a situation like that, I would apologize profusely, reassure the guest she was in no danger, and get someone over there immediately.  It wouldn't even occur to me to offer a refund.  I've done that once in 6 years, offered a guest 3 nights refund for a 6-night stay.  He refused, saying three, even two, nights were too much.  So it was a one-night refund.  With every other inconvenience I've offered the guest a free night, either by extending their stay an extra day or to be used on a future stay.  No one has ever taken me up on it.

 

I'm sorry you've had a bad experience, but this is a situation where you gave someone an inch and they took a mile.  Your three Maine places are remote and presumably attract people who want to be way out in nature.  It might be hard to get someone over there to help out when you can't, but do you have that possibility?

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Hello Sarah, 

 

Yes, that's smart advice.   After the initial ASTONISHMENT that somebody would ask for a full refund after checking out, for really no reason -- and then having the guest post a tissue of lies -- I feel pleased (not with AirBnB, who doesn't support hosts) but with myself for not caving.  And I'm now being more direct in my guest reviews (though this really isn't my way) but understand that it is important for other hosts.   That said, I have direct booking and in the past never looked at potential guest reviews ahead of time.   

 

AirBnB really does need to revise the review system, especially the fact that one bad review can knock you down .2 of a point while it seems to take a long time and many five star reviews for the host to recover.  

 

If AirBnB were more responsive to hosts, the entire experience would be better.  

 

 

@Ross648  So glad to hear you didn't cave!  Well done.  You know that it's against Airbnb policy to do what those guests did - unfortunately, it appears it was done over the phone and not through the messaging system, so no way to prove it.  Maybe next time confirm exactly what the guest said in a message to them.  Anyway, here's the policy:

 

Extortion or incentivization

This policy prohibits:

  • Guests threatening to use reviews or ratings in an attempt to force a host to provide refunds, additional compensation, or a reciprocal positive review.

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/548/airbnbs-dispute-moderation-for-reviews

Yea, have cited this many times.  They have taken down extortion reviews.