Kitchen access?

Kitchen access?

After careful consideration we decided not to include use of the kitchen for our listing, this is reflected in our listing price. Our listing also does not include the kitchen in the ammenities and states that the guests have access to the bedroom and bathroom. I am generally a flexible and easy going person. The problem is that out of my last 7 guests 4 have asked to use the kitchen or fridge. It is clearly becoming a very consistent issue and soon it will be 5 out of 9 guests. My last guest didn't ask to use the kitchen, they just used it, and whatever they ate had a very strong and lingering odor. I had one guest simply ask for ice for their lunchbox, which was completely fine. The problem is that people tend to assume that I am going to be ok with them using the kitchen once they arrive and I believe that when I say no it is hurting my feedback. I have a 4 star rating top to bottom from a guest when I initially started hosting, I was upset but you can't make everybody happy. All my other feedback has been 5 stars with the exception of one that rated me 5 stars on everything and 4 stars for overall experience(... how does that make sense?). My only reasoning is that this is due to the kitchen issue. Today I have added the following notation to my listing under guest access:

 

"Guest bedroom and bathroom. Please be mindful that we don't offer the use of the kitchen as a part of our listing. We do supply some water bottles in the room for your convenience."

 

Do you think it's worded delicately enough? Should I add it to my house rules as well? I feel like maybe my listing isn't clear enough, or people just don't take the time to read the listing. Should I just increase the price of my listing and include use of the kitchen? What are your suggestions and experiences? I have one more guest checking-in who assumed that the use of the kitchen was included and, unfortunately, I somehow missed responding quickly and decided to make a one time exception. 

 

I apologize for the long winded post. Here are the reasons we originally decided not to include access to the kitchen. Are we being unreasonable?:

 

1. We work from home and our kitchen, work area, and livingroom is open concept. We thought that having guests coming in and out of our work area to access the kitchen would be disruptive and possibly uncomfortable for all parties.

 

2. We used to have roommates that did not clean up after themselves, lost our kitchen utensils (Idk how they managed that) and damaged our pots, pans, and appliances. My listing is competatively priced without access to the kitchen. If I were to allow guests to use the kitchen I feel I would have to raise the price for the extra work I would do cleaning and to budget for possible damage to my appliances.

 

3. We have a small kitchen and we use it multiple times daily.

 

4. We felt like it like it would be a little invasive to have strangers helping themselves to our kitchen. We also read about some guests helping themselves to the host's food, which seemed odd, and we just didn't want to potentially deal with that.

 

5. There are plenty of restaurants and coffee shops nearby, within a one mile radius.

 

6. All the furniture and bedding is relatively new, purchased not more than 6 months ago. I would prefer if guests didn't eat or drink in the bedroom to prevent potential stains, damage to the furniture, and criters. We do think allowing access to the kitchen would probably increase the likelyhood of guests eating in their room. We thought a no food in the bedroom rule was being too strict and "nit picky" so I actually allow for them to eat in their room, I just prefer that they don't. I also provide bottles of water because they don't have kitchen access and we all need to stay hydrated. I ultimately want my guests to feel comfortable.

 

7. Our guests tend to be short term guests and feel that for that reason access to the kitchen was not necessary. Our listing limits stays to 2 weeks because we do not want to have a situation were a guest ends up over staying and then obtains renter's rights. It also allows us to host our friends and family, who mostly live out of state and visit often. While we have been extremely lucky and have only hosted overall wonderful guests so far, we also thought it would reduce the time period we would potentially have to deal with any negative guest/host experience.

 

8. We always keep the house tidy and clean. I have a 5 star cleanliness rating. The guest's bedroom and bathroom are always spotless. Our kitchen is our personal space and because we use it so often it would be difficult to keep it spotless all the time. I would feel obligated to clean it to a higher standard then currently suits me. (Ex. I don't mind keeping a dirty cup in the sink for a few hours until I clean up after dinner but never allow dishes to pile up. I also like to let my dishes air dry on a drying mat or allow a dirty dish to soak for 30 minutes to an hour, when necessary. I would not do any that if a guest were permitted to use the kitchen because  I think it would be rude on my part and when I had roommates they took that as an invitation for me to constantly clean up after them.)

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Alexandra229
Level 3
Caterham, United Kingdom

I have recently booked my ffirst airbnb and as my trip is approaching I messaged my host to find out what kitchen appliances there are for use in her kitchen.
I have made sure I booked a room with access to a kitchen, and yes, I am one of those guests... ,...I thought I would be able to cook there - as I always do on holidays.

From what my host has politely replied, she is not very keen of use of her kitchen.., that made me make a search for forum discussion like this one. I am actually feel appalled from what I read here , from how you criticise your guest and all those comments.

There is a feel like you really dislike having guests in your house and the actual job as well. So why are you doing it??

Yes, when there is a kitchen advertised, I will have the impression I can cook there. That is the reason I book that room! I always cook ! I don't like eating in restaurants, I avoid it at all costs!
So it is not only about saving money for me, but also to feel well and healthy ! Cooking natural, good quality food. And yes, of course I want to save money too! - the same way you want to pocket some more for advertising the Kitchen!!! but then gossip about guests wanting to use it! Making nasty comments!
This is especially to Paul who wrote:

From Paul - "They want their problem (not wanting to cough up money for a more appropriate apartment ) to some how be your problem"

"Oops my bad.
I justreread, One dog and two kids.

That's even worse than 2 dogs!"

 

But then in another thread he is asking:

"Question: How much lower do you think your revenue is if you limit the kitchen?

$5/night? $10? $20?"

 

So Do you Paul actually want us to cough up a few extra bucks for you??!! You want our money but not providing the service??!! You are very arrogant , disrespectful and you shouldn't be in this business!

 

I too have a newly renovated nice house with a guests room - it's own bathroom. Making some extra money would not hurt me , however I wouldn't be a host , at least not for the moment, as I don't want to share my space and value my privacy at present.

 

So if you don't want to share a kitchen, then don't advertise it! Or at least make it crystal clear to Guest what they are and are not allowed to do!

 

Or get out of this business all together!


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To each his own! And you, Madam, are pretty nasty yourself. You are not a host so don't tell others how to host. Find a listing that allows you to cook your bossy ass off and mind your own business, Julia Child...

Guests, GET A GRIP,

We are not there to provide all of our food for you.

Then you cry like a bunch of babies.

If you stayed in a hotel , would you go back in their kitchen

and help yourselves to all their good? NO

Stay out of our stuff

Lilian20
Level 10
Argelès-sur-Mer, France

@Alexandra229  I really like how you get on well with everyone !

I know this is a very late response but I would say we charge about $10 less per night. Since my original posting we have made the following adjustments:

 

1. We added a Keurig pod coffee maker to the room.

2. We purchased a mini fridge we initially wanted to put in the room so guests could have cold water bottles and a place to store some snacks or leftovers. The mini fridge ended up being too noisy so we put in the hallway at the top of the stairs.

3. We have now included the no kitchen access info. in multiple places on our listing, including the house manual. When the guests get their itininerary the house manual reinforces that there in no kitchen access.

 

Our guest feedback is currently just under 5 stars and we are usually pretty booked. We still rarely have guests ask to use the microwave, but not the fridge. I usually just allow for them to use the microwave in the kitchen, especially if they are staying multiple nights. I think what was hurting my ratings was the traffic during commute hours on the way to my home. I found this out from guest feedback and I have since added info. about the traffic to my listing. I find that the REAL problem, especially with guests who are new to Airbnb, is that they do NOT read the listing prior to booking. The reason I say guests do not fully read the listing is because I am repeatedly asked questions that are answered in the listing info. I have yet to find out the best way to address the issue of people not reading the listing prior to booking. 🙂

You might want to give them a microwave, mini-fridge, coffeemaker and electric tea kettle, if you haven't already. I wouldn't lower my rate below the level that it feels worthwhile to me, to host. I would just look at comparable places in your area and price youself in the middle.

Bahia2
Level 2
London, United Kingdom

It is a disaster putting a microwave in the room. It will encourage rodents! 

Lilian20
Level 10
Argelès-sur-Mer, France

as well as ants and snakes depending on the region. 

Victoria567
Level 10
Scotland, United Kingdom

Hi@Paul

My kitchen is off limits, period.

I don’t care if I get a drop in bookings but I DO care if someone trashes or breaks my very expensive fitted designer kitchen.

Bahia2
Level 2
London, United Kingdom

Hi everyone! 

Can someone help please? Expecting a guest with 1 daughter and husband. She asked to use the kitchen, I said just for light meals only but I suspect coming from the Subcontinent she would want to cook everyday for 30 days.. I too consider myself generous and helpful but the thought of my kitchen being taken over.. it is stressing me right now. 

 

Any advice would be most welcome, ideally in the next two hours! 

 

Thank you. 

I agree. I have the same problem.

Sophia17
Level 2
Hayle, United Kingdom

I've been struggling with this for a bit. I want to be helpful but use of my kitchen has been a point of contention for me. I am particular about tidying up after I cook. There are basics I think should be done like do not use metal on pans, clean counters and oven after you've cooked or prepared food. Crumbs happen. But the main point is this. Airbnb is supposed to be a place for the most part where you vacation. Not move in and take over. I have never cooked in any Airbnb that I have stayed in with the exception of an Airstream I rented with a kitchen. I have used the fridge at Airbnbs for storage of necessities (meaning a few items). I tend to have guests stay for a week or more at times because of their work. A current guest is here for 20 days. She failed to give me any info ( I suppose I should have asked). But she works for a nonprofit and wants to move to Raleigh from Minnesota. So she works from my home. When she arrived she came with a desk, a computer with two screens and a chair! And of course she is using the kitchen. I understand her situation and need but there are listings that are an entire apt or have a kitchenette that can be cooked in without intruding on a host's kitchen. My nightly rate at the moment is about $35 per night. Much less than a hotel but laundry and kitchen use is asked of me? I hate to say no but I feel taken advantage of. I am thinking of either adding a kitchen use fee that I would add in the cleaning fee section or increasing the nightly rate for a specific rental if someone says that they would like use of my kitchen. Any thoughts?

I suggest adding that the kitchen is not available to guests on the house manual and multiple times throughout the listing. When the guest receives their booking itinerary it will clearly state that the kitchen is not available. I feel more comfortable saying no when I have used all the tools available to me to let them know that the kitchen in not available. Whenever I have guests staying longer term I also send them a message with some info. about check-in and let them know that the kitchen is not included in the listing. I feel that this gives guests the option to cancel their booking if my listing does not work for them.

Alexandra229
Level 3
Caterham, United Kingdom

I have recently booked my ffirst airbnb and as my trip is approaching I messaged my host to find out what kitchen appliances there are for use in her kitchen.
I have made sure I booked a room with access to a kitchen, and yes, I am one of those guests... ,...I thought I would be able to cook there - as I always do on holidays.

From what my host has politely replied, she is not very keen of use of her kitchen.., that made me make a search for forum discussion like this one. I am actually feel appalled from what I read here , from how you criticise your guest and all those comments.

There is a feel like you really dislike having guests in your house and the actual job as well. So why are you doing it??

Yes, when there is a kitchen advertised, I will have the impression I can cook there. That is the reason I book that room! I always cook ! I don't like eating in restaurants, I avoid it at all costs!
So it is not only about saving money for me, but also to feel well and healthy ! Cooking natural, good quality food. And yes, of course I want to save money too! - the same way you want to pocket some more for advertising the Kitchen!!! but then gossip about guests wanting to use it! Making nasty comments!
This is especially to Paul who wrote:

From Paul - "They want their problem (not wanting to cough up money for a more appropriate apartment ) to some how be your problem"

"Oops my bad.
I justreread, One dog and two kids.

That's even worse than 2 dogs!"

 

But then in another thread he is asking:

"Question: How much lower do you think your revenue is if you limit the kitchen?

$5/night? $10? $20?"

 

So Do you Paul actually want us to cough up a few extra bucks for you??!! You want our money but not providing the service??!! You are very arrogant , disrespectful and you shouldn't be in this business!

 

I too have a newly renovated nice house with a guests room - it's own bathroom. Making some extra money would not hurt me , however I wouldn't be a host , at least not for the moment, as I don't want to share my space and value my privacy at present.

 

So if you don't want to share a kitchen, then don't advertise it! Or at least make it crystal clear to Guest what they are and are not allowed to do!

 

Or get out of this business all together!


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Alexandra, you are the one who is arrogant. We can do whatever we want in our own homes. And if you seek to save money - which is the reason  you stay in an AirBnB, then expect to receive less. In life we get what we pay for - what is appalling is that you don't seem to know this. Guests with this 'sense of entitlement' who are too common and seem to have increased over the years, should wake up and smell the coffee.