Breaking news: 4 dead, many injured in an Airbnb party house in Orinda CA last night ( 10/31). The house is just few steps away from my second residence in the same street. About 10:00pm, My daughter and I were driving back to our residence, noticed that the street were full of cars. After a while, we heard police helicopters and ambulances arriving ....Neighboor next door told us there was a mass shooting in the Airbnb house few steps away.
The head of Airbnb trust and safety announced that they will conduct serious investigation, according to the news.
My dear fellow host, I have been posting many times regarding my concerns to Airbnb unsafe booking process. My own house has been targeted several times for huge parties/criminal activities, but it couldn’t get enough attention from Airbnb trust and safety
Please protect yourself and be safe!
Your post is worth a hundred thumbs up.
If you follow this logic to its end , it also means that any collaboration between AirBnb and hosts , like thru this forum, can only work against us !
Every smart idea hosts will propose in their favor, is likely to be reversed and used against hosts in favor of guests.
This corporation is a paradise for guests and truly has the potential to turn into hell for hosts.
The Orinda case will have been a very special moment in the history of AIrBnb where, for a few seconds, hell turned out to be with the guests.........
@Susan17 I could only watch half the video-it was literally making me nauseous. Particularly interesting was at minute 13:30 when he says "we do have the best of intentions" and his mouth goes into all kinds of weird contortions, like he knew what total BS was coming out of it.
And I just loved the part about if a guest leaves a 5* review, then they'll be prompted to answer a bunch of questions about just how accurate the listing was. Say what? He's going to question the 5* reviews? What about the 1* reviews? The ones left by the guests who got kicked out or got charged for damages? Those, heaven forbid, will never be questioned.
Not once, at least in the first part that I watched, did he ever mention hosts as being his bread and butter, or said even one little thing to acknowledge what a great job most hosts are doing. Instead, let's only talk about hosts in terms of them having false listings that need to be rooted out.
As I said, it's nauseating.
@Ute, @David6 and everyone...
Compassion, a sense of social responsibility, empathy, and emotional maturity are not prerequisites to go into business.
All of the above have been clearly lacking as the BS by BC et al scapegoats and projects blame onto hosts for their own policy and other shortcomings.
Body and other language says “tantrum.”
There are instances where one must look at what is, realize the potential given the circumstances, and know nothing is really going to change if this inquiry is done the same way by the same people.
What I *know* .
we’ll achieve nothing here. We are 6 or so voices screaming into the abyss. My friend @Susan17 has tried for years. Most hosts quit this thread as soon @Laura was visible. And when they read: ‘black gang shoot out.’ They went ghost. Disgusting.
No. It’s time to take this offline. I need to sleep at night. All I KNOW IS airbnb is going to pass this off as a few, crazy BLACK GANG members. It’s their FAULT!
Even the dead. Cancelled, closed down by Airbnb. Hosts fault for facilitating a ‘mansion party..’ of Cause it was. You hosts who just walked away... Disgusting.
@David6 please don’t think that hosts are walking away from this. I don’t post a lot, however I do read a lot of threads and continue to follow this one. My guess is there are other hosts that are doing the same. I would basically be just repeating what you and others have been expressing here, and are doing so much better than I would. I for one completely agree with what is being discussed here and do feel the same frustrations with how ABB is handling it (or lack thereof).
Not directed at hosts in general. Some hosts were very vocal immediately after this tragedy incident. As soon as it was apparent that Airbnb were engaging . They stopped posting. They know who they are. Of course, it’s totally up to them.
Sure, this is all no doubt a waste of time and completely futile; but I'm going to stay here and keep the conversation going. Maybe for years. Or at least until the thread is 'archived' or otherwise buried (like those five dead youth). Or, until (like some other erstwhile hosts before me) I am mysteriously "disappeared..."
Indeed, we hosts are the "scapegoat" in this dysfunctional, twisted "community" system, a system that manipulates it's hosts through subtle forms of invoking fear via coercion and covert methods of control.
This is not a community based on "trust". It is, in fact, a cult.
"Sure, this is all no doubt a waste of time and completely futile"
@Rebecca181 (and everyone)
Please, please don't think that for one second! It's absolutely not futile, not at all. Our voices here may not be heard by Airbnb (despite their bullsh*t placating assurances) - but they ARE being heard, loud and clear - and being heard by many who can assist and support us in forcing fair, ethical, lawful treatment and positive change. We're being heard far and wide. I can promise you that.
Rome wasn't built in a day. If we stay strong, and united, and start pushing back - together - against the company's abusive, expoitative policies, they'll be left with no choice but to start treating us with the courtesy, dignity and respect we deserve, and have earned.
Let's not forget, we do have a trump card now - the IPO/DPO officially on the horizon. That buys us a shedload of chips at the bargaining table, that we've never had before. We need to play them wisely, and strategically.
A concerted, snowballing worldwide host revolt is the very last thing Airbnb needs right now. Furious dissent amongst the grassroots community ranks does not look good in the eyes of the media, lawmakers, local authorities, the general public and current/potential investors alike.
Keep posting. Keep fighting. Keep making your voices heard, in every which way you can.. And never underestimate the power that we actually do have, at this very moment in time, and even moreso in the coming months.
Susan how can you be so perspicacious in your analysis and still be so naïve in your desire to overthrow a corporate strategy, which ( I remind you humbly ) has worked WONDERS for AIrBnb so far ?
Where do you see an international size NGO aimed at skewing the balance of power back into the hands of hosts ?
Where do you see a Host Class Action aimed at collectively righting the wrongs of AirBnb ?
Where do you see any AirBnb competitor capable of embodying this fight on the STR market ?
Did you follow the Uber story and how long it took its powerful ennemies ( the taxi corporations ) to counter their strategy successfully in front of the Courts ?
if you really want to reverse AirBnb corporate strategy, join the people everywhere in the world who fight for a heavy taxation of plane kerosene ( currently free of all state tax) on which AirBnb and mass tourism have thrived at the expense of our planet .
Lol! I've been labelled many things in my time on the CC @Denis227 - lots of them far from complimentary! - but that's the first time I've ever been called naive. Made me smile. I prefer "optimistic", though. 😉
As it happens, I don't believe for one moment that it will be government/regulatory intervention, class action lawsuits, or the emergence of credible competitors that will force Airbnb to adapt, or go under. (Well not initially, anyway)
I believe that it will be a potentially lethal combination of seismic shift in public opinion, Airbnb's innately shameful and despicable response to various crises, chronic reputational damage, widespread host dissent, and resultant plummeting investor confidence ahead of the IPO/DPO, that will be the catalyst for the change we seek.
I could, of course, be completely wrong. But from the unprecedented tsunami of fury, frustration, anger and disgust that I've seen and heard from hosts (and guests) all around the world in recent days, and the massive uptick in media interest, I don't think I am.
And call me delusional, or blinkered, or away with the fairies... but I don't do defeatist! And I genuinely believe that if we stand together and play this right, we absolutely can level the playing field back in our favour again. One way or the other. 😉
I fear that your excessive and , in my view, irrational optimism , which I call naïveness, might be related or amplified by your local perception of the problem, or biased by your contacts with the Irish police, and / or with local newpapers.
We are not at all in a worldwide mediatised drama where we, AirBnb hosts, are the embodiment of truth and are fighting against the lies of Big Corp.
This is NOT the reality of the picture. It might be the reality of the situation in Dublin, but it is definitely not the situation in France.
In France a good press coverage in favor of hosts, as did the Guardian recently ( link in previous messages ) is simply UNHEARD OF .
And I'm not saying UNHEARD of in 2019. I'm saying UNHEARD of since the creation of AirBnb
The ONLY criticism which people hear in France, with the exclusion of anything else, comes from
a) the Hotel industry / lobby on the right hand side of the political spectrum , which AirBnb uses ad nauseam in its PR exercice.
b) the disparate , non unified mass of city dwellers who are unlucky enough to live in a multiple rentals buildings. These unlucky guys wage a war on a "building by building " basis without any coordination
c) those concerned by the housing crisis in the larger cities, on the left hand side of the political spectrum
These three categories will never unify their efforts because they have no common interests ( unlike us) They currently occupy the whole contestation scene in France. There are the ones who get the press coverage. Period.
You want to ad to this list the rental owners who ( everybody thinks ) make a huge amount of money with their listings ? Who ( so the press says) in large cities show no regard for city regulations limiting the number of nights, and do not even care to officially register ? GOOD LUCK to you.
NO WAY ......you'll never get a french journalist write an article on abusive guest behaviour being encouraged by AirBnB fu***d business model in the short term rental market.
Yes you will get their ear if you let the press know that your appartement has been ransacked and trashed. But the press will never make the link between your problem and AirBnb Business Model.
AirBnb is definitely cool.
Fighting against coolness is impossible.
Only when the coolness is publicly declared to be wrong or evil, only when the coolness is unmasked and the abusiveness revealed to everybody by the Court, then the abuse will stop.
"I fear that your excessive and , in my view, irrational optimism , which I call naïveness, might be related or amplified by your local perception of the problem, or biased by your contacts with the Irish police, and / or with local newpapers"
That's a whole lot of very erroneous speculation right there, @Denis227! I can assure you, my "perception of the problem", is anything but "local". But I'm not here to prove my credentials, or to engage in futile arguments or putdowns with fellow hosts - nobody has time for that.
Maybe you're correct, and maybe I am just living in cloud-cuckoo land. Only time will tell. But nobody can ever say that when it comes to trying to raise the awareness of the seedier side of Airbnb - which absolutely needs to happen in order to bring about positive change - that I didn't give it my very best shot. (And I haven't even got warmed up yet!)
Regular posters and fellow hosts are already aware of who I am, what I stand for, and the reasons I continue to do what I do. That's good enough for me.
@Susan17 What needs to happen at this point is for a bunch of fed up hosts to get some air time on one of these high-profile TV shows. They'd have to be hosts who've quit in protest, because I'm sure they'd get delisted immediately if their listings were still up.
I really don't know how to make my voice heard on all this- any suggestions? Because everything on this forum can just be ignored, as it has been for years.
There are at least 4 national TV news channels and networks working on major investigations into Airbnb, at this very moment - 2 in the US, 1 in the UK, and 1 in Australia. (And that's just the ones I'm aware of, - 'm sure there are probably a lot more that I haven't heard about)
We're not talking about brief 2-minute news segments here, but proper, in-depth investigations/exposés. Now I fully accept that due to the (deliberately) complex and convoluted nature and structure of Airbnb's operations, and the sheer scale and magnitude of their faults and failings, it's exceptionally difficult for the media to get any sort of a real grasp on just how bad things truly are Chez Airbnb. The important thing to understand, however, is that the narrative IS shifting, ever so slightly, with each and every new damning report that reaches the public consciousness. And we can build on that, accelerate it, and use it to our advantage.
Slowlee, slowlee, catchee monkey.
So here it is ! Major news channels working on major investigations into AirBnb.
I can already tell you the scenario or the script of their 30 minutes show.
10 minutes on UNFAIR competition starring the Hotel industry and their recent decision to coordinate their action on a worldwide basis so that France's regulation of AirBnb may be followed up by other lobbies and national authorities ( I receive their newsletter so I'm aware of what they are cooking). For the sake of what we are talking here, they are of no use.
8 minutes with the Green party and those those leading the fight against mass tourism in "capital" cities ( Venice, Paris, Barcelona ) and on skyrocketting real estate prices and the housing crisis.
4 minutes on FairBnb and their spanish-european-danish european initiative to rebuild the sharing economy on fairer ground following the AirBnb disaster.
4 minutes on the neighbourhood noise issue, party houses, Orinda Community, where they will not give the floor to hosts but to local police and communities.
and the final 4 minutes will be devoted to the usual wrapping up and presentation .
And your voice will NOT BE HEARD.
Or if it will be heard, it will be on a subject matter of THEIR choice.