Poop, dumping and more - what would you have done?

Cari3
Level 10
Vancouver, WA

Poop, dumping and more - what would you have done?

I have been host for almost 5 years and have 3 airbnb's in my backyard which is a small urban farm.  Two of them share an outdoor composting toilet and shower.  I recently had 2 ladies in their late 60's book one of them.  They arrived around 11.00pm and made a racket loud enough to wake up the neighbors and other guests.  Even though they were in the bottom of the garden, I could hear them from my house.  I was about to get out of bed when the noise quieted down.  Next morning I was up early watering the garden and headed down to check on their toilet when I see the door is wide open and there is a bum being wiped (in full view of all my other guests and the street).  I retreated but noticed that next thing she sat down and did her morning business still with the door wide open and then another full-view wiping session ensued.  I went down there to take care of checking the toilet only to find there was a pile of poop which had been stood in on the floor, and down the front and around the toilet (which had been poorly wiped).  I cleaned it all, washed and sanitized the bathroom because I knew that one of my other guests would be heading down that way soon and went to discuss toilet hygiene with them and tell them that as their host I would never expect to have to deal with poop.   Next thing, 3x times before 7am, I had to head down to ask the offending pooper to please lower her voice because if I could hear her speaking in the house, then my other guests and neighbors could most certainly hear her too.  The lady whose name the booking is in (awfully sweet) left for a long day of training while the pooper stayed all day.  A bit paranoid about the state of the shared toilet I kept checking during the day.  The pooper could simply NOT follow simple instructions to sprinkle the provided sawdust over her doings to prevent flies, nor could she remember to latch the toilet door which kept blowing open (signs up for both these things). I tried speaking to her, made no difference.  Later I messaged the booking lady about the issues of keeping noise down, following toilet instructions and latching doors.  The next day I was mowing the lawns when I noticed the pooper had put a bucket right in front of the shared shower.  If I was a guest, from where it was placed,  I would have thought the shower was out of commission or closed for maintenance.  I moved the bucket back to their airbnb and next thing it had been moved to block the shower again.  I explained why I'd wanted it moved but it made no difference, she just put it back.  Later in the day I saw her wondering with a bowl around the garden and next thing she dumped something in one of my containers....turns out it was a bunch of food scraps which I had to get out and dispose of properly.   I have to be especially vigilant about doing anything that invites vermin or flies so I provide a compost bin (marked as such and in the house rules).  I just can't have people dumping food scraps wherever they please.  I have to think about the conditions it breeds for all my guests.  That night I asked the booking lady if we could have a chat and I went through all the house-rules her friend was breaking and how she appeared to have a total inability to take the needs of others into account.  She agreed that it was unacceptable but said that her friend had lost her mother and was 'an extreme version of herself' and that she would be leaving on Aug 1st.  I agreed that if she spoke to her that I would do my best to be empathetic and hang in until the 1st.  But oh Lordy.....at 6am the next morning I again had to go rushing down there because she was speaking at volume 200!  That was the last straw for me.  Clearly she had a total inability to either 'hear' or reform her behavior.  They were booked through to August 9th.

I asked them if they could find a different place that was more conducive to the poopers emotional state for the 4 days and offered to:

1) to refund the booking lady for the remaining 4 nights that her friend would still be with her so they could pay for alternative accommodation

2) for her to leave anything she wanted in the airbnb which would then be waiting to welcome her back on Aug 1st

 

They did find another place, I no sooner refunded them when then they cancelled the rest of the booking, so they scored.   But seriously....how do you deal with a situation like this one? I'm just totally stymied and how do you even begin to rate or write a review because it's a review that's going to impact the sweet booker's name?

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P.s. Lawrene- you are untaggable. When I type in Lawrene, as you didin't appear on the list, it said "No matches". maybe you should ask @Lizzie to try to fix that.

Maybe it is because I didn't get a number after my name, @Sarah977 . I thought that made me unique (i.e., who else would name anyone that, mom...), but instead it has made me mysterious (i.e. untaggable...). 

Anyway, yes, the instagrammable lure of the place has some guests booking who imagine themselves in a MEC advertisement. Then they try to make a campfire. Saves on wood, so there's that.

Funniest/worst was a groom booking as the honeymoon surprise for his bride. She was a trouper in her lace mini-dress, stilettos, perfect hair and makeup. Managed not to cry.  

@Lawrene0I can tag you no problem: I tagged you in this thread, even though you weren't in it, in fact! There were a lot of issues with the community centre yesterday, so that may have been it. 

@Lawrene0  That was funny, thanks for the laugh. An ex boyfriend of mine told me about his honeymoon- they booked an all-inclusive in the Dominican Republic. His wife stayed on the beach all the first day and fried herself to a crisp. She spent the rest of the honeymoon nursing her sunburn and he couldn't touch her and tried not to blatantly ogle all the gorgeous Dominican girls prancing around in their bikinis.

Lol..... maybe they think ‘rustic’ is really just a code word for ‘romantic’.  Having said that though I also have to say that 99% of even my LLBean orderers with their high heels and wheeled suitcases do love our little rustic spaces.

Of course you’re right @Lawrene0 , I’m also always leery of those guests who go on and on about how tidy & respectful & wonderful they are (the lady doth protest too much?)

BUT if they go away after a “reminder” of conditions- great! Or if they need a talking to during a stay, ok, then it’s good to have that record of their previous agreement. OR if they leave a bad review bc of some known & acknowledged conditions then MAYBE CS will be proactive in removal

Donald28
Level 10
Lithia Springs, GA

you lost me at composting toilet. Those things are just gross and nothing but trouble for all involved. They should not be used in an airbnb in my opinion. Spend a few grand and have a 500 gallon septic system put in and use a real toilet... like I did. 

Hi Donald, you’re welcome to your opinion about composting toilets, and I assume you simply wouldn’t book a listing that has one.  When used properly (as 99% of my guests are easily able to) they don’t smell or attract flies and they work remarkably well.  In addition, I think they’re a great education tool.  What will we ever do if we have an earthquake and all the real sewer systems is down?  99% of people will have absolutely no idea how to manage their own human waste in a manner that is sanitary and safe.  But if you know this system, you’ll be able to help your community around you get through the crisis. 

Casita-By-The-Texas-Bay0
Level 10
Texas, United States

Oh my gosh! I feel for you...what a nightmare that pooper was!

Thank you.  She really wasn’t the most fun guest! 

Elizabeth76
Level 4
Lakeside Marblehead, OH

OMG! My poor dear! I would have just died! You are much kinder and patient than I could ever be. Let alone have a stomach made of iron! Jeesh! I think, after 8 years, this was the worst horror story I have ever read from a Host! Honestly, I would not have even given "Y" the talk! There were signs on the door, and it was in the rule book/house manual. Regardless of the fact that her Mother is on the other side,  her grieving has absolutely ZERO impact on her toilet skills. And if it does, ....... Well, there are places for people that have issues like "Y" to go to and REHABILITATE themselves. That was completely uncalled for. You are not a nurse, a baby sitter, an occupational therapist, a janitor, or a potty trainer. You are an Airbnb Host. I would NEVER have given a REFUND. Absolutely not! What for? To inflict that pain onto someone else? What if it was another Airbnb Host, that they rebooked with? Think for a moment, please! If someone is that out of control, they either need to go to the Hospital, Jail or back Home! Plain and Simple! When someone can act like a human being, not an animal they can return. 

@Elizabeth76  You'll have to frequent the forum more often, because this is not the worst one I've read 🙂

Some poor hosts reported finding their unit covered in feces- bedding, towels, walls, floors, everything. It's truly unbelievable what people do. You couldn't make it up if you tried.

@Sarah977  That is awful!! I have not read anything like that! I have been a Host for 8 years, it seems the guests are getting worse!

I wonder if it the guest quality also doesn’t have something to do with the fact that now that there are so many airbnb’s they have become too cheap.  And even though I have 4 of them and they are always fully booked, I keep getting notifications from airbnb that people who looked booked somewhere else for $9 or $11 cheaper.  PS.  This booking only costs $38 per night.

Lol.....thanks for the support.   I’m a psychologist and I do believe in kindness and patience and giving people a second chance.    I don’t believe she was doing it on purpose - I do think there was something definitely not right about her mentally.  I found it hard to  believe that her behavior  had anything to do with her mother’s death though - I think she had overall cognitive issues.    And making her clean it wouldn’t have worked because  I knew that another of my  guests (who’d been with me for a week) was about to head there for her morning ablutions.  I was going to do whatever it took to make sure that she didn’t have to face that toilet and besides I wouldn’t have trusted then pooper to clean and sanitize it to the level that would have satisfied me.  I gave the booker a refund on the understanding that she was going to return for another 9 days after the pooper had left.  She was a very sweet lady and hadn’t seen this grade school friend of hers for 20 years so I think she found herself in an extremely challenging situation as well.  The money was less important to me than a solution that would hopefully have worked for everyone.  They needed to go to a hotel which is what I believe they did.  But YES these are definitely our homes and not hotels and guests do have to adhere to my standards and house rules.  Not only for us but also for the sake of my other guests.

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