Why has Smart pricing activated by itself?

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David-Erik0
Level 6
Berlin, DE

Why has Smart pricing activated by itself?

Hello, 

This morning I've logged my account and I've found absurd prices on all my calendar days (around 43) turned out that smart pricing was active for every single day. The only problem is that I do not use smart pricing since I've started to host... In the main settings of my account, is active but when I open the days of my calendar, I manually change it for every single day. 

Anyone else experienced this?

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Branka-and-Silvia0
Level 10
Zagreb, Croatia

@David-Erik0 

you are not the only one, there are other posts about the same issue, all from last night. It's a glitch on the Airbnb side

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Lazy-responding-to-a-serious-error-from-the-Airbnb-support/...

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Could you copy and paste the text of the email you received please, @Joanna355

Joanna355
Level 2
Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Actually it was because I wasn’t logged in!Actually it was because I wasn’t logged in!

 

Joanna355
Level 2
Edinburgh, United Kingdom

A support specialist has been in touch with me on the chat too to confirm compensation so I’m happy now 🙂 I suggest you contact them. Also check your promotions or junk mail if you use gmail 

Hi Joanne I was offered £165 total when I lost £165 per night for 8 nights what did they give you they told me this was the maximum

@Jude56 
Interesting, so they offered you £165 (€187) for a total loss of £1320 (€1496)? Did you accept? 'cause in your place I would have refused in order to gain time and talk with a lawyer as they have admitted the error.

 

@David-Erik0 @Joanna355 Nope I refused and they said that my only choice was to cancel the guest. I said fine cancel the guest.  If I only book 4 of my 8 days I will be better off.  The guest has so far refused to cancel....  I wouldn’t in her place... I told Airbnb that she wasn’t staying with me, I am a new host who doesn’t need a bad review from an already disgruntled guest and they could find somewhere else for 6 people to stay in Edinburgh during the festival for £100 per night.  I have no idea what will happen.  I just want my days back so I can try and get them booked.  This has wasted so much time and energy.

@Jude56  @Joanna355 @David-Erik0 

For IB  bookings you should just contact Airbnb to have it cancelled penalty-free because you are "uncomfortable with the booking" as it occurred during an Airbnb pricing glitch.

 

I don't think you can expect the guest to cancel - the guest technically didn't do anything wrong and if the guest cancels they will not get their service fee back.

 

The *right* thing to do would be for Airbnb to make up for the the difference to all affected hosts so that guests can keep bookings at the price they originally booked at while hosts don't lose money honoring those bookings.

 

If not....... either hosts will be forced to host at a serious loss or there will be massive (host) cancellations and a lot of unhappy guests. I wasn't affected but if I was, and I was booked at less than 80% of what I'd normally make, then I wouldn't hesitate to find a way to cancel penalty-free. Even if I had to lie or cheat the system or forge documents. I would.

@David-Erik0 I told them to cancel the reservation so I can at least stand a chance of rebooking the days. Tbh I cannot talk to the support centre again they have absolutely no clue what I am talking about, I was told by one that I wasn’t entitled to compensation and that I should go back to the guest and ask for more money!!! I also said that I wanted all communications to come from Airbnb that they could explain what they had done.  The guest has declined to cancel, surprise surprise , and Airbnb have given her time to read the terms and conditions.... She is still booked I cannot even book my days I don’t know wether to laugh or cry.

 


@Jude56 wrote:

[...]Tbh I cannot talk to the support centre again they have absolutely no clue what I am talking about, I was told by one that I wasn’t entitled to compensation and that I should go back to the guest and ask for more money!!! [...]


No surprise they have no clue, the global customer operations manager is in charge to define the guidelines that guarantee the flows of information through all the support centers, however like for other positions there's a general sloppy work attitude.

Calling is pointless if the support agent has not been informed of this situation, however you can still try to ask him/her to get access to this page so that he/she can read about @Airbnb message. 
I understand is annoying, but the truth is that the agent is "innocent" and those behind him/her should be blamed.

However your experience is just another prove that the general attitude is "do not believe in the host" and revers on him/her third party responsibilities. 

As said also by @Jessica-and-Henry0 the guest is not supposed to cancel as the error happened due AirBnB technical failure, so if you can get all your money peacefully, you need to call them or write them a message reporting this link asking for a cancellation because you feel uncomfortable. 

However, in such case I do not see the "uncomfortable rule" applicable. Besides the fact that it is subject to review and that an incredible amount of times the AirBnB support agents are not aware of such possibility to cancel/decline penalty free because u feel uncomfortable,  such "rule" is subjected to the idea that is clear to you that the guest didn't read the rules of the house for example, or in case of instant booking these things can be applicable:

  • The guest has several unfavorable reviews that concern the host
  • The guest hasn’t responded to questions the host needs to know about their trip
  • The guest makes it clear they’ll likely break one of the host’s house rules, like bringing a pet or smoking

If you can't get back the full amount loss due the AirBnB technical failure, in my opinion you have only three options:

- Cancel using one of your 3 yearly cancellation

- Stress them out to cancel the booking without penalties

- Talk with a lawyer and see what you can get out of it. Problem is that for US users the platform use the typical american formula that sounds more or less like "you accept the platform as it is" which means that in case of technical failures you are on your own.
However this kind of approach that was in use here in EU until the first years in 2000 is slighty changed and even for technical problems platforms that operate in EU may be accountable.

Airbnb EU T&C says: 

"Airbnb is liable under statutory provisions for intent and gross negligence by us[...]Airbnb is liable for any negligent breaches of essential contractual obligations by us, our legal representatives, directors, or other vicarious agents; such liability is limited to the typically occurring foreseeable damages.[...]Essential contractual obligations are such duties of Airbnb in whose proper fulfilment you regularly trust and must trust for the proper execution of the contract."


Unfortunately for that paragraph only a lawyer can tall you how is applicable in this context and if the T&C that you have accepted represent a contract between you and the platform. 
You can also start a dispute use the EU platform https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/consumers/resolve-your-consumer-complaint_en
Or you can directly call the EU consumer center of your country and ask if AirBnB can be accountable of this loss, 'cause essentially smart pricing is supposed to work as described but it didn't. 

Another paragraph that eventually could be analyze, regards the Payment Terms: 

10.5 Payment Processing Errors

We will take steps to rectify any payment processing errors that we become aware of. These steps may include crediting or debiting (as appropriate) the same Payout Method or Payment Method used for the original Payout to or payment by you, so that you end up receiving or paying the correct amount. This may be performed by Airbnb Payments or a third party such as your financial institution.

Here for example you would like to know if this can be considerated a payment processing error, for which probably a judge is required, because obviously AirBnB would say that the price set for the days and then used in order to calculate the pay out amount, is not part of the payment process, which is opinable.


However then you have the usual "as it is formula": 

17.1 If you choose to use the Payment Services, you do so voluntarily and at your sole risk. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Payment Services are provided “as is”, without warranty of any kind, either express or implied.

and become evident once again that you need a lawyer or eventually talk with a EU consumer center (they have lawyer within, talk with them other times for my own business projects) to understand what is the maximum extent permitted by law.

@David-Erik0  Thank you so much for your advice I have messaged the ‘case worker’ who seems to be ignoring me now and quoted your t&cs. We will see .  I have said I am writing to the newspaper and tweeting Chesky and that I will not let it drop but I suspect will have to.  I have also mentioned @Joanna355  to say that they have established a principle of compensation... both  

So @David-Erik0 as you speak much better Airbnb than me what does this mean?

 

Hi Jude. I understand you want to be fully compensated. The issue has been logged and you will be compensated to the losses caused by this issue.

 

We anticipate to reach out to you in the next 7 days. Thank you for your patience. We apologize for any confusion or inconvenience this may have caused. We value your partnership and will be working with you and any other impacted hosts to ensure that you’re appropriately compensated for bookings made during the affected period.

 

Regards,

Kimberly


@Jude56 wrote:

So @David-Erik0 as you speak much better Airbnb than me what does this mean?

 

Hi Jude. I understand you want to be fully compensated. The issue has been logged and you will be compensated to the losses caused by this issue.

 

We anticipate to reach out to you in the next 7 days. Thank you for your patience. We apologize for any confusion or inconvenience this may have caused. We value your partnership and will be working with you and any other impacted hosts to ensure that you’re appropriately compensated for bookings made during the affected period.

 

Regards,

Kimberly



For me they are simply taking time. They are not saying that you will be fully compensated, they acknowledge that you want it and they say you will be compensated to the losses causes, but it's still enough vague to be debatable. 

Usually situation like this one do not have a specific procedure that define how you will compensate, this is because

- sometime you do not foreseen that something like this could happen. (Yes can happen)
- or you have in yourT&C sentences like "you accept the product as it is" which means that you take it with its bugs
- or because you have sentences even more specific that specifically explain that technical failures are possible but that you are not responsible for them because you have done all you could to avoid them and so they are extraordinary events out of the normal control.

Unfortunately coding can often give you extraordinary problems which in case of improbable legal action would be the main defence of AirBnB combinated with the fact that actually, they state that the platform "is as it is" in their T&C. 

So now there will be probably a couple of people in different roles from support agents up, saying "yes but these people have lost money and not for their fault" and others that will say "yes but out T&C states this and this so as good will gesture we are providing them with a full compensation up to a certain loss, after that we pay a % of the loss"
And the rest will be discussing what could be the consequences of pay only a fraction against refunds in full everybody. 


Thank you, yes I kind of figured it was a cop out 😞  Not sure wether to wait or talk to the journalist who has contacted me now...  Didn't really expect this when I signed up in January and I only rent for the summer.  It has been rather a steep learning curve.  Thanks agin for your help nd advice it really is appreciated!

Joanna355
Level 2
Edinburgh, United Kingdom

I received the total amount that I’d lost, the difference between £75 and £34 that was charged for 6 nights. That’s crazy! You need to open another support case. Also, how off was their algorithm over Fringe??! 

Massively!  It was £97 for a three bedroom flat near the meadows, I had it listed at £265