So sorry about the inconveniences.
Same here I base in Lagos...
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So sorry about the inconveniences.
Same here I base in Lagos Nigeria but ever since I started this journey with Airbnb no one...
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Hello Community,
I have a situation I’m hoping for advice about.
I had a dishonest guest (lied about number of children staying and intention of her trip). She was looking for a forever-home as a newcomer to Canada. But first told me that they would be permanently staying in another city and just exploring the area.
After the first night she tried to speak to me off Airbnb to discuss staying “at least a year” or “as long as possible”. I allowed her to book a separate reservation for one month and sent resources for housing. I sent her two refunds ($50 for snow in my driveway and $125 for the extra cleaning fee that would have been tacked on to the second booking). This comes into play a bit later.
My upstairs tenant of 3 years complained that they were very loud and that the husband yelled sometimes hours at a time while the kids cries. Meanwhile the guest is messaging me constantly (it felt like an attempt to lure me into crossing host/guest boundaries, so I kept it brief).
One day at around dinner time, she messaged me several mundane questions to which I responded quickly and then a “by the way, can I use your address to get my social insurance number and bank account”, and that was a huge red flag. I responded clearly that she could not, and to confirm she understood, which she did. The next morning messaging me asking for advice on the process to homeschool her child (???). That same day, official mail (bank or government) arrived to my address in the guests name. My tenant collected it and sent me a picture, marked return to sender and took to the post office.
I contacted Airbnb about cancelling the additional stay, and they did so on my behalf, waiving any penalties. I worried about them retaliating and let Airbnb know. I expected having to dispute a negative review, but boy did I underestimate this guest once I put and end to their fraudulent plan.
The guest is making up crazy stories and requesting a full refund and reporting me to Airbnb. I declined this because her first week was already heavily discounted due to the $50 for snow and $125 cleaning fee that, if anything, should have been paid back to me.
The guest is saying that I was “filming her without consent” because of a security camera installed in my sunroom that doesn’t even work, and saying that I “called someone to pretend to be a contractor” to forcibly remove her family from the home, which is all untrue. They submitted photos of all their luggage in my driveway as “proof” and photos of my security camera (which again, does not even work… and is very visible and would have been noticed right at check in, so if there was any concern, why then would she decide she wanted to stay at least a year?).
Her story doesn’t add up, and she’s a brand new Airbnb profile, whereas I have black and white proof of her address fraud and an a long term host of many years. Why is Airbnb taking her so seriously and threatening to suspend my account and cancel upcoming reservations? Does Airbnb just side with guests and not consider the hosts perspective?
Sorry to hear about your guest. If the CCTV doesn't work in your conservatory then you should remove it .
This is what I find confusing—
Having a security camera on the premises is considered a “feature” on your listing.
What the heck could my motivation be for not disclosing a security camera, that, for any regular guest would probably aid in their peace of mind? It’s not disclosed, because it does not work— BUT the optics are handy, considering I am not there most of the time. Deliveries are received in that area, and it was installed for purposes of optics under advice of my local police.
And am I really going to remove it now, knowing mail is coming in the guests name? That would be unwise, I’d rather her continue to think it’s being surveilled so that she stays off my property. Right?!
@Brandie20 You'd be better off putting in a camera that does work and disclosing it in the listing.
In this case, the 'optics' are bad for you, because it looks like you have an undisclosed camera in the listing, which, technically you do, even if according to you it is non operational. Undisclosed cameras are considered a huge safety issue by Airbnb because there have been some few cases where there really were hidden cameras on the inside of the listing.
Thanks Mark. What I don’t understand is the fact that the guest clearly committed fraud for which I have actual proof. Why is this not the main issue?
Isn’t the guests intention crystal clear?—-like I said, they would have seen the camera every day during their stay, and they wanted to stay “at least a year” and Airbnb can see our full conversation including trying to make an arrangement outside the app.
None of that matters it sounds like?
@Brandie20 Security cameras are beneficial, particularly for off site hosts, for all the reasons metioned here. The problem is, they can also be used against you in a retaliatory way, as you've now learned.
@Brandie20 “Does Airbnb just side with guests and not consider the hosts perspective? “
The majority of the time, yes. I would say 100% of the time when it comes to guest complaints about security cameras (or safety issues), even when bogus or when they’ve been properly disclosed. Sorry you’ve learned this the hard way. You won’t likely see your listing shut permanently, but it may be suspended for a time, while Airbnb ‘investigates’ (they never do, it’s just for show).
In hindsight, this guest initially put out several red flags that you should have heeded, and sent her packing. Prevention is the only way to go on Airbnb. Avoid problem guests at all costs, protect yourself.
Sent her packing is exactly what I did, as soon as my spider senses tingled. And I involved Airbnb every step of the way, believing I had their support and following their guidance. The fact that I am now “under investigation” has me gobsmacked.
@Brandie20 Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. I based that part of my comment on you saying she lied, and tried to go off platform, then you followed that with “I allowed her to book a separate reservation for one month and sent resources for housing.”
Your eyes have been opened to how pro guest Airbnb is, and how carefully one must maneuver, to host on this platform. I cannot overstate how important it is to avoid problem guests. Screen them throughly, and don’t ignore red flags. Also avoid involving Airbnb as much as possible.
Ah, yes you did understand correctly. Thank you so much for your patience and taking time to help me understand. This is truly eye-opening indeed.