Understanding cancellation policy

Beth243
Level 1
Santa Fe, NM

Understanding cancellation policy

Hi, I'm trying to understand a strict-flexible cancellation policy which states:

 

"For a full refund of accommodation fees, cancellation must be made within 48 hours of booking and at least 14 full days prior to listing’s local check-in time (or 3:00 PM if not specified) on the day of check-in."

 

Does this mean that if I book today to reserve a place five months from now, the only way to get a full refund is to cancel within 48 hours of today? Or would I get a full refund as long as I cancel prior to 14 days of my reservation?

 

Just a little confused because it seems odd to be penalised for reserving so far ahead of time.

 

Thanks.

 

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@Matthew0 I am really curious myself what is actual fact or fiction on this topic. On the thread you mentioned earlier I have asked @Nur0 if he called and got the refund of the 50% hopefully he will reply. I have a no refunds policy on HA/VRBO, so it's very clear there. If I can rebook I will refund them. 

Letitia,

You have been terrific in contributing to this.

I have noticed you putting a lot of effort into helping people on this board,

and I know you are just interested in making sure everyone knows how things work.

 

Our problem is that we just don't really know how things work now, apparently...

Jeff158
Level 10
Caernarfon, United Kingdom

@ Lizzie post explains it clearly to my little mind

"New-strict-cancellation-policy-update"

Limited-time refund within 48 hours after booking when the check-in date is at least 14 days away

Guests must cancel within 48 hours after booking and can only cancel if their check-in date is 14+ days away. This means that no matter how far out your guests book, they only have 48 hours from the time they book to cancel for free. We want to make sure that if guests change their mind, you have enough time to get another booking.

So I messaged Airbnb support myself to ask about the Strict Cancellation Policy (with Grace Period).

I used this example in my question:

If a guest made a reservation on 11 Jun 2018 for a stay from 1 Dec 2018 to 8 Dec 2018 but then later cancels the reservation on 21 Jun 2018, how much refund should they receive? (Assuming the listing has a Strict Cancellation Policy with Grace Period.)

I will post the full conversation, but here is the shortened version of how it went:

 

Me: (Asks my example question)

Airbnb rep: They get a full refund.

Me: What?!?! (Explains why I don't think that is right.)

Airbnb rep: Oh. You're right. They only get 50% refund.

 

So... with one representative I received both answers: The answer told to Letitia at least 3 times (full refund), and the answer other hosts heard (50% refund).

 

I'll post the full conversation below.

 

Here is the full conversation. I put it in the correct order (because it is upside-down in the message thread.)

========= Today at 3:06 PM - Me

Well, I sent this following question in to support on Monday, and they closed my case without even sending a response. Here is the question:

Hello!
I have a question about the Strict Cancellation policy (with Grace Period).
If a guest makes a reservation today (11 Jun 2018) for a stay from 1 Dec 2018 to 8 Dec 2018 under a Strict Cancellation policy (with Grace Period), but then later cancels the reservation on 21 Jun 2018, how much of a refund should they expect to receive (under normal circumstances)?

 

========= Today at 3:22 PM - Airbnb

Matthew, I am sorry that you didn't get any response. Be assured, I will definitely help you with the answer. I noticed you have created a one more request for this query. I'll be combining both request and will answer you this query here.

 

========= Today at 3:23 PM - Airbnb

According to strict Cancellation Policy(grace period) if a guest cancels the reservation within 48 hours and at least 14 days before the check-in date he will get full refund. If he cancels after 48 hours he will not get refund of Airbnb service fee. He will receive 50% refund if he cancels 7 full days prior to listing’s check-in time.

Matthew, As per your eg: if guest makes the reservation today for stay from 1 Dec-8 Dec and cancels on 21 June, he will get full refund minus Airbnb service fee.

 

========= Today at 3:35 PM - Me

Seriously? I thought once the 48-hour grace period ended, the guest would receive no refund of the Airbnb fee, a full refund of the cleaning fee, but only 50% refund of the rest of the cost of the stay. That's how Strict Cancellation always worked before. I thought the only part of the time that a full refund was available was the initial 48 hours.

 

========= Today at 4:09 PM - Airbnb

I explained about Strict Cancellation Policy(Grace period), there is a Strict Cancellation policy where 50% refund is provided to the guest if they cancel one week prior to the check-in time. If it is less than 1 week no refund is provided.

As per your eg: if guest makes the reservation today for stay from 1 Dec-8 Dec and cancels on 21 June, he will only get 50% of the refund.

 

========= Today at 4:09 PM - Airbnb

So we have Strict Cancellation Policy(Grace period) and Strict Cancellation Policy both.

 

========= Today at 4:18 PM - Me

That is very different from what was described when we were told about the new Strict with Grace Period. We were told that the policy was essentially the same, except that a 48 hour grace period right after booking was added. Everything else was to be the same (which meant that 50% refund was the maximum that the guest could get, once they are outside the grace period.)

Here is part of the text that the Airbnb representative posted:
"Guests will get a full refund if they cancel within 48 hours of booking, as long as their check-in date is at least 14 days away. This means that even if a guest books a reservation months in advance, they’re only able to get a full refund if they cancel within the first 48 hours after booking. "

That was posted here:
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Airbnb-Updates/An-update-on-changes-to-the-Strict-cancellation-p...

What you are saying is very different, and is not like the strict cancellation policy at all.

 

========= Today at 4:35 PM - Airbnb

Matthew, the link you gave me and the Airbnb representative told you about the Strict Cancellation Policy(Grace Period) is right. I am sorry for the confusion regarding this. I read my messages again and my bad. You are absolutely right, Matthew guest will only get 50% of the refund if he cancels the reservations after the grace period. I explained it in a slight confusing way and the example was wrong.

(the right one) As per your eg: if guest makes the reservation today for stay from 1 Dec-8 Dec and cancels on 21 June, he will only get 50% of the refund.

Sorry again!!

 

========= Today at 4:38 PM - Me

I am chatting with another host, who has received the same answer you initially gave from 3 different Airbnb support representatives.
It is very confusing.
I think there is a training issue that needs to be addressed.
Thank you for looking into this further.

 

========= Today at 5:22 PM - Airbnb

Matthew, we have different types of policies under Strict Cancellation Policy and there are only slight difference from each policy. As you mentioned about another host, the representative must be talking Strict Cancellation Policy(not grace period)

I explained you about Strict Cancellation Policy is correct just the example was wrong and I have explained both the Policies.

To be more Specific and clear I am sharing with you the link which shares the details of the cancellation policy, and there will be no more confusions. Here is the link-https://www.airbnb.com/home/cancellation_policies?guest_fee_policy=full_refund#strict-with-grace-per...

And again apologize for the inconvenience and the confusions.

 

========= Today at 5:56 PM - Me

No, now you are making it less clear.
We already have the link to that web page about cancellation policies; the diagram does not help much and they should improve it.

Whether the listing has Strict Cancellation Policy or Strict Cancellation Policy with Grace Period, the answer to the question in my example should be the same.

If a guest made a reservation on 11 Jun 2018 for a stay from 1 Dec 2018 to 8 Dec 2018 but then later cancels the reservation on 21 Jun 2018, the guest should only get a 50% refund.
The guest should only get a 50% refund under Strict Cancellation Policy.
The guest should only get a 50% refund under Strict Cancellation Policy with Grace Period.

True?

 

========= Today at 6:21 PM - Airbnb

According to your example you are right!

However, in Strict Cancellation Policy only 50% refund is given even if the guest cancels it within 24 hours, and in Strict Cancellation Policy(Grace Period) till 48 hours guest are eligible for full refund. After that only 50% refund.

 

========= Today at 6:22 PM - Me

Thanks. That *does* help make it clearer.
Thank you for verifying that.

 

@Matthew0 I am going to test this. I am going to have my sister book for the two day weekend of Halloween (She's been thinking about coming anyway that weekend just not commited enough for me to block it yet and she can stay in the cottage if the guest house is  booked, so I am not real worried.) and cancel 72-96 hours later. I will eat the costs, just so I know the true picture of what and how they are doing with this. I will report back with what happens with the reservation.

@Letti0 did you ever receive the results from your test of the cancellation policy?

 

@Matthew285 I can't believe I didn't post the results lol. Actually we did 2 and booked for only $79 for each for 1 night with no cleaning fee to keep services fees lower, they gave me 50% for a September cancellation. We also did one that was 6 days before check in and AirBnB called and asked me to refund when she called to complain. I said no and that was the end of it 100% paid to me. 

 

I am still not convince it's not random, but those were my results. 

@Letti0 I agree that it is sort of random. Certain Airbnb support people will override the strict cancellation policy, and some will not.

 

My thought was we all wanted to determine how the policy was supposed to work, aside from the interventions of random Airbnb support people (because the written policy is not 100% clear.)

 

Thanks for reporting the results of your test. It was very kind and generous of you to go through all the trouble.

 

You are a big help to the community.

 

LMAO I guess any and all possibilities are reality... I think it just depends on the CS rep and the phase of the moon that day.

That is really nice of you to do that test!

Maybe we can finally get some definite answers.

 

I know really all people want to know is what to expect when a guest needs to cancel on this policy.

In the end, It is really up to the host and guest how much of a refund happens

 

It just would be nice to not be caught by surprise.

 

Matthew,  what a confusing conversation. I have had similar back and forth's.

 

But, I had thought that Strict Cancellation Policy was nixed and everyone was mandated to have Strict (with Grace) , it appears from your conversation that is not the case and some people still have Strict.

There is Strict 30 or 60 and Strict with grace only now. Anyone that had Strict AirBnB changed it to Strict with Grace automatically. The Strict 30 or 60 we all know is 50% refund from day of booking. The Strict with Grace is what CS seems to flip flop on. 

Letitia is correct; there really is no more Strict (without Grace period).

I was just referring to it to compare and contrast it with the Strict with Grace Period policy

(aka: the Mystery Cancellation policy).

Oh my.......I can't stop laughing :-)))))))

Matthew, the conversation is just so totally hillarious!!!

 

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