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Hi. Could someone help me out here?
My account is still on limited access for a week now. It was put under limited access because a CRaZy guest walked into one of my locations and said he smelled the resemblance of marijuana.
Although I don’t reside at the location, we have smoke detectors, security cameras and a 2 residents there that would never allow such a thing to happen. Of which I have a cam recording of the conversation between the guest and both residents stating such.
Additionally, there are signs that state that there is no smoking allowed with a $1000 penalty for each and every violation of that rule. No one dares to smoke anything in the house.
The Airbnb agent Daniel, in your Trust and Safety department handling the investigation, was emailed all the videos last Saturday and then again on Wednesday, proving this and other claims that I made against the guest. One claim, for being naked in the bathroom with the door open which was reported to me by the resident and partially caught on cam. Second, guest was seen on cam checking other guests doors. Entering unauthorized areas and rooms. Rummaging through other guests food items in the kitchen.
I have not had one bit of reply communication from the agent Daniel since last Tuesday. Although I’ve message numerous times and have made a call to speak to another agent. I haven’t received one booking or new guest inquiry from the Airbnb platform which I solely rely on for my income since last Saturday when my account was suspended.
Here’s the hurtful part. I was messaged by a former guest who stated that she tried to book a room for a one month period but was unable to book. I lost a $1600 booking and Airbnb lost a $200 fee. She instead rented a hotel.
I feel this whole incident should have been handled better, logically and more efficiently.
How can one guests false accusation shut down a long-standing 6 year Superhost account? To add insult to injury, I’ve never had such an accusation before since the inception of our 6 year relationship.
I’m hoping Brian Chesky will be copied on this message.
Danny John fiend of Mike Campese.
I relate to your statement "How can one guest's false accusation shut down a long-standing 6 year Superhost account?"
This is exactly what I'm going through.
I have a four-year Superhost account and a guest falsely accused me of listing inaccurately and invading her privacy. I have documentation that her complaints are unfounded. She did this after a firm cancellation booking made two months before check-in. She clearly is inexperienced with booking. She booked for her adult son and daughter-in-law coming to visit her. They arrived and said "we won't be able to stay" and a day later called to say she felt unsafe and that I was dishonest, etc etc, and got my entire payout refunded to her.
Where is the support for Superhosts?
Same thing here, I'm a superhost for years and on Airbnb for 7 years with no complaints. When my neighbors complained of dogs at my property, I have a No Pet Policy, I reached out to the guest and Airbnb after seeing the exterior camera footage of two large barking dogs in and out of my home. The guest also had additional guests without permission. Then he taped paper over the exterior camera and was reported again to the guest and Airbnb. Our cameras are in public/common area and are disclosed. Airbnb without any notice suspended my account. We book $100,000 a year with Airbnb. It is apalling that the guest obviously complained about us and falsely accused us of something and that we can be treated this way.
I feel the same way. I feel that we as Superhosts are continuously having to prove ourselves, our worthiness, our honesty, or house rules, etc., to a company who would rather side with the guest. Has anyone brought in a legal team to help mediate the relations with "Customer Support?"
Sad the guest wanting a one month booking could message you to tell you, you had lost a one month booking , but couldn't message you to see if she could book directly when she saw she couldn't book on Airbnb . @Danny37
Yes, I know. Airbnb used to be distinguished as the "quality" Platform, largely because it encourages hosts to be the best they can, and many work really hard to be just that.
But they now have greater responsibility to their shareholders than hosts and guests, and that may explain why the focus is shifting to recruitment and quarterly sales over quality.
The ambassador programme is a good example of that. We were invited and accepted. It all sounded great, until we started receiving pressure to sign up 3 new hosts in the next 14 days. And even more cheeky, is that the reward is "as much as 100€" someday, after the host is successful.
In light of recent events, we didn't feel we would be suitable ambassadors, and have since asked to be removed from the programme.
Oh, I just wanted to add.. Marijuana is perfectly legal here. Smoking it or anything else in our villa is, strictly prohibited, but it's not a sign of criminality or anything.
OMG this is the worst. Airbnb is just going done the tubes. My account got suspended today because guest claimed that we have recording devices on our property which is entirely false. I have not seen any proof and meanwhile my account is locked out and I'm out potential revenue. We all had a horrendous 2020 and just when things are beginning to pick up, Airbnb decides to take sides with guests. Hosts always get screwed. I'm looking at hostly and other apps to do direct booking. It'll be the only way to survive.
Currently dealing with the exact same thing. We had a guest stay that obviously just wanted something free so she claimed she was being watched and now our account is suspended. It’s CRAZY. I was so shocked I came to this thread to see if anyone else had experienced something similar. It’s nice to know I’m not alone I guess. Currently signing up for VRBO because this is just too much.
@Simon144 There have been so many posts here lately of years-long great hosts having their accounts suspended due to guests' false accusations.
It's really troubling because it could happen to any of us. Airbnb is becoming like some dictatorial regime where guest's stories are never questioned and hosts are always considered guilty until proven innocent.
Are your camera's fully disclosed on the listings and not pointing towards private areas such as bathroom/bedrooms? I am wondering if this might be the issue.
Also I note several guests noting concerns about cleanliness of communal areas during Covid. What systems do you have in place to keep these areas clean and protect both your tenants and guests?
I wonder if concerns about cleanliness under COVID/CCTV camera's which cover the bathroom might be more likely to be the issue?
@Huma0 "However, I think that it is the host's right to know why they are being delisted. How on earth can they contest it if untrue, let alone improve things if it is true?"
Well, of course any sane person would assume that one has the right to know what they have been accused of, especially if the accusation leads to dire consequences. Can you imagine being arrested by the police and not being told what you are charged with? Then convicted and jailed, still not being told why?
However, Airbnb has set itself up as judge, jury, and executioner and made sure that its TOS allows them to operate so. They obviously don't want hosts to be able to contest it.
Why would the guest be stupid enough to be checking locks on other guests' doors and accessing restricted areas if she knew she was on camera (I trust @Danny37 has all the cameras disclosed on his listing)? Possibly she was just crazy or possibly she didn't read the full listing and now has an issue with being filmed...
Does anyone know if Airbnb has to tell us what a guest has complained about or can they claim that some of this is 'confidential', even if they decide to suspend our listing? I once called CS to ask them to help me evict a problem guest. The rep told me the guest had already called them a week ago about an 'issue' with her stay, but didn't tell me what that issue was. They had never contacted me to ask me about it either. I assumed that's because they, like I, thought she was batsh*t crazy and didn't feel her complaint merited following up, but why not tell me what it was?
@Huma0As far as everything I've read on these host forums over time, Airbnb does indeed refuse to disclose why a listing was suspended in many cases. Do you remember David, the host who had an Airbnb in an old converted train station, I believe? He was a long time, successful host who contributed regularly here. He was delisted by Airbnb for some supposed infraction and Airbnb would never tell him what the complaint was. And I've read many similar stories.
"You've done something horribly wrong, according to a guest, but we won't tell you what you've been accused of (because obviously you know, and even if you don't, it's confidential) and as far as we're concerned, the guest couldn't possibly be lying, so you are guilty and have been booted off the platform."
I’m ready to sue them at this point. I’m pretty sure that the only reason they are doing that is to avoid resolution center payouts. Make sure you always PRINT EVERYTHING! They accidentally terminated my account causing me to lose 2 grand in reservations, straw that broke the camels back for me.
Yes I do remember David. Oh what a shame! He had such a unique listing and obviously put his heart and soul into it.
What you say makes sense. However, I think that it is the host's right to know why they are being delisted. How on earth can they contest it if untrue, let alone improve things if it is true?
In my case, it was a bit different. No case was opened following the guest's complaint. She was so crazy in her communication (I'm talking about 'Condom Girl' here) that I reckon they just dismissed it. Things were definitely decided in my favour because the communication clearly showed that she was breaking the rules and was unhinged and hundreds of reviews showed that her complaint was non-sensical.
However, I do know that not all hosts experience a positive outcome in similar circumstances. I was luck in that all of the reps who dealt with this (I believe there were three), were rational and well trained. Those were in the days when I still got through to the wonderful call centre in Ireland.
I assure you, ABB CS doesn't give a darn about marijuana use. Something else in this tale is significant.
Good luck, both your listings show up on your profile from here but I cannot access either.
Is it possible that the cameras are part of the reason for the suspension, @Danny37 ? I'm thinking particularly of the part where you say the undressed guest in the bathroom was partially caught on camera. I do, of course, understand this to mean that the camera wasn't in the bathroom -- that the guest could be filmed only because the door was open -- but that might have customer service on alert.
"...we prohibit any security cameras and other recording devices that are in or that observe the interior of certain private spaces (such as bedrooms and bathrooms), regardless of whether they’ve been disclosed."
It's not cool that you are being accused of a smell that isn't there, but I'm wondering if this is the answer to your question of how can one false accusation, etc. Just a thought.
It’s because of the camera accusations... I’m on my 3rd suspension d/t false claims.. funny thing is, I made the mistake of being cool with the guest and while venting about Airbnb issues, sharing how my account was falsely shut down d/t that reason, then after having to kick the guest out for smoking in the listing, he used that exact excuse to get my account shut down again. I’m just appalled at the guilty until proven innocent thing when Airbnb is losing money as well by shutting down the account! The guests laugh because they’re doing it out of spite while Airbnb and the hosts lose money?! How backwards and DUMB is that?!
AirBnB has been gradually turning to crap from the top and all the way down to it's new guests. For this reason, I will be pausing my listing with them.