Airbnb must .........

[Steve2584]

.... listen to 99.9% of hosts and include language regarding hosts that provide multiple individual private rooms within the host's residence, stating that since zero expectation of privacy exists anywhere except their private room and the bathroom they use, that only these such hosts won't be subject to punitive action for the presence of a security camera in such area inside the home where hosts and guests can be present simultaneously at any time (IE: kitchen). Simply note this very limited and specific exception to the existing policy, changing nothing else. No one can justify objection to this plea. The financial and physical harm liability risk to guests, hosts and platform is hugely reduced and the morale, comfort, and appreciation of guests and these specific hosts, is hugely increased (and  these specific hosts that left the platform for this reason can return to listing here). 

[Mike-And-Jane0]

@Steve2584 Airbnb gets a lot of bad publicity from instances of camera misuse so I doubt it will change its policy. Losing a few hosts in an often saturated market is irrelevant to Airbnb.

[Steve2584]

Mike -and -JaneO, thanks for your blatant disregard for an entire segment of hosts. I DID NOT EVEN SUGGEST A POLICY CHANGE, as you claim. You seem to have not understood my post. Find me a guest complaint about a security camera IN A LOCATION THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE CALLED PRIVATE. Can YOU rightfully complain about a safety camera in the restaurant section of a hotel lobby? How about at the self checkout at Wal-Rot? The waiting area of your doctor's facility? It's not only proper for the OWNERS of these places to want to secure their interests, but it could actually be seen as a failure to provide adequate safety measures if they don't. When someone not in your booking party (host, other listing guest) can suddenly be right in front of you, any time, nobody can expect privacy in those areas. Plus, these guests in a  structure shared with hosts or other strangers in different listings within the structure, WELCOME AND PREFER SECURITY IN THE NON PRIVATE AREAS. It protects them and everyone from many possible issues. Why not fully support EVERY TYPE OF HOST  instead of displaying the "doesn't -affect- me-so- instead- of -support- I'll -say- the -already -known- because-your -issue- is -not- worthy" attitude?

[Lorna170]

@Steve2584   I am sorry that you feel disregarded by the persons on this forum.

As AirBnB instituted their camera ban only after years of reports and lawsuits about cameras that were used for voyeurism, they are not going to change their policy.

If you wish to put cameras in your rental property, do so.  Just don't list on AirBnB.

[Helen3]

Why be so rude @Steve2584  to a fellow host - you are suggesting a policy change ie allowing hosts who homeshare with guests to have inside cameras. Airbnb are not going to do this. 

there are multiple complaints from guests who homeshare with hosts about cameras in communal areas . If you want examples you can search on Airbnb groups including this one.

Guests do not welcome security cameras in kitchens or living areas when they are in a homeshare situation. Personally as a homeshare host I can't think of anything worse .

in your situation I would be much more worried about your low reviews and ratings .

Your response to guests who complain about your behaviour, lack of cleanliness and noise from multiple dogs from your dog business that you run in your home are some of the worst I've seen in ten years of hosting. 

[Marie8425]

@Steve2584 

I think you have a good point.  Have you submitted on the Airbnb Feedback Form?  Consistent but polite and factual messages submitted regularly can sometimes create the review you seek by a company

[Mike-And-Jane0]

@Steve2584 so sorry my post upset you so much that you needed to respond in capitals.

Sadly (for you) I am afraid my post is likely to be an accurate summation of Airbnb's thinking BUT if you and enough other hosts leave the platform (perhaps going to Booking.com or vRBO) then perhaps Airbnb will change it's mind.

[Steve2584]

The issue was about slimey, disgusting hosts placing hidden cams in listings to spy on guests. This is deplorable. I fully agree with having zero indoor cams in a listing that the guest and those with them have rented the entire structure to themselves and therefore CAN expect privacy in any area in it. My post is not about that situation. 

       Why do you even find it appropriate to have any opinion on a post whose subject DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO YOU? You aren't even hosts. Why do even find it necessary to argue against something that YOU CAN EASILY NEVER HAVE TO ENCOUNTER, that will never impact you in any way, that negatively impacts no one, and that would be hugely helpful and appreciated by those that support it?  I was taught, that if something someone is forbidden to do/have, but can prove it's need and it's absence of negative impact on anyone,  but it doesn't impact/affect/concern me in any way directly, I FRANKLY HAVE NO REASON TO VOICE ANY OPINION ON IT. Why would I, if that were the case? Where is your dog in this fight? And how's this thought... Imagine if the subject matter were to be agreed to... YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE TO INTERACT WITH SOMEONE WHO CHOSE TO NOT PARTAKE IN THE MATTER. Imagine that. Something that nobody has any disliked issue with. 

[Helen427]

What statistical information are you relying on for your theories @Steve2584 , and others?

Society needs to take a step back to humanities and away from the addiction to using devices designed and based on Baby / Nurse Maud Radio 1930's and fear-mongering in the 1980's Baby Monitoring Devices to record every movement people take in their lives and go back to human interaction as a human being.

Who is really benefiting from this? A snake oil salesperson making a bundle of mint?

As far as cameras and "Recording" of people's interactions are concerned it's of grave concern how much the use of Computers and internet based systems have created much "Lost in Translation" of Context of the meanings of words.

I'm probably partly responsible from my earlier life living with multiple nationalities and sharing many a laughs together explaining the many different spellings of words that sound the same but mean something entirely different, including how the word "Record" is used and what it may be defined as.

Why do you need a camera to record your guests as they go about their day to day lives in life?

Why do people have so little "Trust" in each other that Society has become so Lopsided with it's purposes there's such an unhealthy obsession with Recording visually with a machine every movement a person makes?

The World is a very messed up place these days.

Take a step back and ask oneself, Why am I collecting all this information, How long am I retaining it for?

Where is it been transmitted to and in which countries - telecommunications don't just stay within one's four walls of a room unlike paper records, or if you can just try another way that keeps one's life plain and simple for one's own sanity.

That said, as a person who now shares my home with others, we had a random guest made us feel uncomfortable in our own home simply for being home reading a book - To the guest they have thought they were paying to stay at a place without another person listed clearly as a Homeshare Host occupying it such is how ridiculous society has become.

Some people lack respect of others Rights to Privacy as a Human Being regardless of where it is.

I would feel uncomfortable regardless as a guest or host being filmed walking within shared spaces in attire I consider a place where a Reasonable person would expect Privacy.

Disclosure I previously worked for an American based 5 star  Hotel where staff and guests were monitored via "Security Cameras".

[Steve2584]

You sure did write a lot of useless words. First, I don't "monitor" anyone, because indoor cams aren't allowed currently, THUS THE REASON FOR MY POST!! TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE ISSUE AT HAND BECAUSE MY SUGGESTION NEGATIVELY IMPACTS NO ONE AND IS A HUGE HELP IF/WHEN A SITUATION ARISES WHEN PROOF OF SOMETHING IS NEEDED. I will say that my push could possibly be less important or less helpful IF the homeshare is done with ONLY 1 GUEST. In that case only the homeowner and 1 other person are on site. Therefore if something goes sideways it's clear who would be responsible. In my case, with3 listings (therefore 3 individual stranger guests plus myself on site) it would be impossible to place responsibility of any unwanted/costly event on the proper person . (because people lie)

[Steve2584]

What "theory" are you referring to?

[Steve2584]

So, you're saying you wouldn't be uncomfortable walking around in said "attire" alongside other strangers and listing host, simultaneously in, say,  like the kitchen??  Because this is what can likely happen with the point I'm making. You talk very offensively to me. The policy "change" was in response to issues of slimey people hiding cameras to spy on people. This is deplorable. I fully agree with the policy when the guest has booked an entire structure and nobody but themselves or those with them are on site. But this is not the case with what I'm referring to. "Take a step back" and actually think about what is written. Also, I would not, nor suggest "recording anyone's daily life activities" as you wrongly claim. In fact, I didn't, and still don't with the exterior cams, use ANYTHING THAT IS "BROADCAST" ANYWHERE BUT TO THE BOX INSIDE MY HOME. NO CAMERA IS EVEN INTERNET CONNECTED! They can't even be hacked. There's no wi-fi used. Stop assuming that you know everything about the way things can be done. What I'm asking be allowed, has zero impact on any guests privacy, and actually improves their safety/liability, as well as these for the host. Nor am I suggesting they be hidden. Of course disclose their existence and location IN THE NON-PRIVATE AREA. It's all just simple common sense, decency, respect, humility and integrity. Those last 2 are absent in LOTS of the people on this .... attac , uh I mean "community" forum.