Do you have insurance?

Quincy
Community Manager
Community Manager
London, United Kingdom

Do you have insurance?

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Insurance. A simple search will bring up thousands of brokers and providers, though which one should you choose? What is the right one for me, how much will it cost, and is it worth it? Oh, and not to mention the small print!

 

Those might be a few questions some of us ask ourselves when we're looking for insurance. Personally, I have insurance in place for almost everything. I even took out insurance for my cat (whom some of you may know), which has saved me a lot of costs.

 

Do you have insurance in place for your home, and what do you look for when getting one? 

 

I look forward to reading your replies!

 

Quincy

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Quincy
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London, United Kingdom

Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened @Fe16. Hopefully, you were able to resolve this. 

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Robin4
Top Contributor
Mount Barker, Australia

@Quincy 

 

Independent insurance coverage is a must Quincy! You cannot depend on an adjudicated system of coverage. I know because I have worked in Airbnb support in the HPS days, and I have seen both sides of this 'we have got your back covered' thing......it doesn't work, I mean that seriously!

 

Airbnb not only have to assess what is an appropriate method of compensating for damage that might have been done. Obviously they are going to concentrate on repair rather than replace! After all, they do not in their TOS have a 'new for old' policy, the level of compensation is adjudicated and is open to abuse on the part of both Airbnb and the host.

 

I have mentioned this before but, I had to deal with a claim of $2,500 for a new outdoor setting that a particular guest damaged the seat coverings with cigarette burns. The burns were genuine and were admitted by the guest. The seat coverings (cushions) were not replaceable by the manufacturer so the host was claiming for a new comparable outdoor setting for which he submitted documentary replacement quotes. 

The thing that host did not volunteer, he paid $210 for that outdoor setting from the local community opp shop....and he was now requiring $2,500 in compensation for that $210 purchase.

Airbnb need to site receipts before they will consider compensation, but in most instances those receipts are not available and a judgement call is left to CS, and there is a vast chasm between what CS will offer and what the host wants to accept. 

It's this way because Airbnb have been stung to often in the past! 

 

Hosts must work on the principal that damage is going to occur! They have to set a limit that they will cover this damage for, and insure for anything above.

I have an STR insurance policy that covers me for catastrophic property damage with a company called EBM Rentcover....they are a specialist STR insurer, but I set a excess (deducible) of $2,500 and this means my premiums are peanuts! The only time they are likely to be called upon is in the event of catastrophic damage! For minor loss I set aside $6.00 per guest night in a damage fund which currently sits around $1,500 and when something gets broken or lost in some way, I just pull the money out of the damage fund, put things right and get on with the business of hosting.....I don't hassle the guest and I don't hassle Airbnb! Life is simple and I know exactly where I stand.

 

I wish every host could work in support for a month or two, they would gain a valuable perspective on the risks associated with hosting, it got the better of me in the end, despite the fact that we live in a 'global' community with a heap of time zones, I could not continually handle the..."Where are you, what do I have to do to get some help around here"!       

 

I logged off one night, went down to Ade and said..."That's it, I am not logging on in the morning" and I quit!

It takes a special person to act in a support role,  and I was just not up to the job!

 

As I have said before, don't expect the world from Airbnb, insure yourself with a specialist STR insurer, have that policy document on hand and then you can host with confidence that if something goes wrong it won't be up to some company individual who's job it is to reject company responsibility!

 

Cheers.......Rob

Lenore22
Level 10
California, United States

Excellent post. Everyone needs to look at this

Quincy
Community Manager
Community Manager
London, United Kingdom

Hi there @Robin4! Thank you for sharing your feedback here!

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Michael6695
Level 2
Portland, OR

Absolutely.  Not sure how effective aircover is but I wasn't going go to let that be my only coverage.  Along with insurance that specifically allows for str, we have 2M umbrella insurance.  You don't want to be without enough coverage.  

 

Just occurred to me that many LTR insurance will pay your lost rent should you have to have a claim.  Need to check mine to see if that rider is on my insurance.   

Cristina2560
Level 2
London, United Kingdom

Hi @Quincy 

There are a few key things that I personally consider when determining which insurance coverage is right for each of the B&B rental business I manage:

 

-The type of property (e.g. house, apartment, condo, etc.)
-The location of the property
-The length of time we will be renting the property out
-The amount of coverage we need
-How many guests will be staying at the property
-Whether we accept pets or not
-The value of the content

 

I hope that helps 🙂

Cristina.

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Ray-and-Catriona0
Level 2
United Kingdom

Here in the UK you need Holiday Home insurance, standard domestic insurance wont do. Forget Aircover, if your guest burnt down your house and stole everything and sent you a message through Airbnb to say they had done it, Airbnb still wouldn't pay out. 

 

Simply Business are a reasonable broker to go to in the UK for quotes, I think our building and contents insurance for our 2 bed flat is £200 a year.

I totally agree, it is essential to have specialist holiday home insurance in the UK to ensure that you are properly covered, or your property and rental activities may be uninsured. I would have thought that this would be the case in other countries too. As well as your personal cover for your property your insurance should include a high level of public liability insurance (eg £5m or £10m) in case of any claims against you as a landlord, which could then of course be hugely expensive if something very serious happened in your property. There are quite a number of good specialist insurance providers in the UK in this area. I use Intasure for 2 of my places, and Boshers for my flat in an A-listed building where it is trickier to get a suitable insurance. I have found them to be very good as specialists for that type of property. This is definitely not an area to cut corners or to rely on AirCover, the financial and legal risks are way too high.

Laurelle3
Level 10
Huskisson, Australia

@Quincy again a great topic for hosts to think about what insurance they have with their Airbnb. @Robin4 your words give us an insight of Airbnb help line thank you for your experience.

When we started our Airbnb I researched insurances for STR, the cottage was already insured for replacement if anything happened eg,  water damage- washing machine and dishwasher, fire - house burning from bush fires, electrical fusion, accidents food catching on fire with cook top. 3rd party damage - accidents, falls -broken limbs were all covered. But, I did find that all was covered for household personal use and family guests. Our insurancce company didn't cover for Airbnb but covered for B&B so they added our Airbnb to the policy which then covered for guests using cottage. 

As @Robin4 mentioned we put money aside for replacement and repairs (10% of the fee paid to me). Which is building up and we have just had to buy a new hot water system so as they say; the chickens come home to roost and we didnt have to find the money as it was in the egg nest.

My advise is everyone has different needs for their extra policy and you need to have instant contact with your insurer. Also it appears each country around the world has different policy requirements.

Lastly, from what I read on these community forum pages, hosts have problems with Airbnb claims for evidence and guests are listened to more than hosts. Or it takes time and if you have a buisness with bookings items need repairs and replacements "Now or Soon as Possible".

Debra300
Top Contributor
Gros Islet, Saint Lucia

@Quincy,

 

I've noticed that you and other moderators have been posting a lot of topics that really are market research.  I hope that the information gathered is used to be helpful to hosts.  In regards to the topic of this thread, hosts would probably have fewer insurance claims to submit if a true security deposit were collected.  In most cases, the typical hotel security deposit amount would pay just a small portion of a significant loss, but it is a great behavior modifier for many guests.  If they know they have some skin in the game, things don't go missing or get damaged from misuse, and the place isn't left like a pig stye.

 

It'd be great if you all would post a question asking how hosts feel about security deposits or including damages coverage in the travel insurance that Airbnb plans to launch soon.

Don't just believe what I say, check the Airbnb Help Center
Quincy
Community Manager
Community Manager
London, United Kingdom

Hi there @Debra300, thank you for sharing your suggestions! 

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@Debra300  Debra, from Quincy’s reply, do you get the feeling he’s a bot? I do! 

Did you put in a claim to AirBnB first? Or skip them and go to your own insurer from the start?

 

Thanks,

 

Susan  

Debra300
Top Contributor
Gros Islet, Saint Lucia

@Susan4681,

 

@Quincy is very much a real person.  I have met and spoken with him during community meet ups.  I've never had to submit a claim to my insurance, and if I did consult with Airbnb's Air Cover the best that I would expect to get enough to meet my deductible if there were substantial damage created by a guest.

Don't just believe what I say, check the Airbnb Help Center
Loni56
Level 10
Santa Catarina, Brazil

Eu tenho seguro da minha casa

e do carro!

dos apartamentos airbnb nao tenho

Loni

Whitney189
Level 1
Massachusetts, United States

@Michael5047 

 

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