Obtaining Italian CIR (codice identificazione regionale)

[Jeremy1138]

Hi Guys,

Everyone with rental property in Italy will be aware of the need for a CIN, but first you need the local version the CIR. In Umbria this is proving very difficult to obtain.

The commune has actually been very helpful, and I am getting the required works fulfilled to their satisfaction, but it then has to be processed in Perugia, where there are only 2 people for the whole of Umbria.

My understanding is that the larger cities are managing ok with this, but the smaller areas simply can't cope, does anyone else have this problem?

Many thanks

Jeremy

[Jeremy1138]

Hi @Jody178,

Yes, for me, the comune. I got myself an Irish passport, and so had EU status.

I think if you don't have that, but you have digital Nomad status, the next step is to register with the Qustura, and then go to the Comune. But I would recommend speaking to some one like Kidane who knows the process inside out.

My Italian is ok, but I brought an Italian friend who was able to do some buttering up. Made a big difference!

It takes a while, but if you persist I'm sure you'll get there.

[Jody178]

Okee dokee - do you mean I need to register with the police when I next return? What is the Qustura? And also I;ve just discovered that I need a CIR! Which I don't have either even though I've rented out my place on Airbnb for the past two summers and paid taxes via this platform too... Lordy... how do I get a CIR? GRAZIE!!!

[Jeremy1138]

Hi @Jody178 ,

I have not directly done this, so it's probably best you speak to someone that's been down this route.

As I said to Wednesday I'd recommend the lawyer that made this all happen for me, he's called Kidane, and this is his email address.

khconsulenze@gmail.com

Good luck

[Jeremy1138]

Last Tuesday, the 10th, the Ministry of Tourism wrote to me saying that it was over 30 days since I'd applied online (its was over 60!), I could now go straight to ordering a CIN, without the CIR.

This was fairly complicated but is now done. I am now waiting for them to send me the CIN 6 days later.

The way this now works is that if the comune finds an issue with the house they can fine you or retract your CIN, but I have established a relationship with the comune and it understands works are being carried out.

[Laurine67]

I'm finding g it impossible I have apt in Pizzo v , no one can help, v frustrating 

[Emilie]

Hi @Laurine67, 

That does sound like a challenging situation. Perhaps you could 👉 start a new conversation to tell us more about what you have tried so far, so other hosts can share suggestions on what else you can do?

I hope this helps!

Emilie

[Karen4370]

* I found this guy on the advocate abroad website, he's been fantastic, he has obtained my CIR and now is doing the CIN

It cost me €300 for him to do the CIR he expects the CIN to cost no more than €150 just depends on how much additional work is involved. My place is in the Lombardy region and they have a another site ROS1000 I need to register with (he sorts it all for me so its not stressful at all) He WhatsApp me and calls with updates, I would highly recommend him and he covers all of Italy whatever region and he has other Irish clients he is working with too

Hope this helps you, Good Luck ☘️

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[Karen4370]

I've tried 3 times already today by changing my password to get onto the BSDR website without success as still receiving the message regarding a one time code which goes nowhere 😞   I've obtained my CIR just need to CIN now

[Karen4370]

Just to update you, the code we are all struggling with, is for a two step authentication, therefore, you need to have the authenticator app downloaded to get the code to log onto the portal. I raised a ticket in BDSR and got the following back. Really useful information, until you get to Step 3 Item 4 if anyone manages to locate the QR code I would be interested to know as I've failed miserably to find it

To complete the accreditation process, you must follow the following procedure divided into the following STEPS:

STEP 1:

• Access the password reset function via the following link:Sign in to Accommodation Facilities Database (BDSR) (ministeroturismo.gov.it)
• • Enter the username indicated above and submit the request
  • You will then receive the link to set/reset your password at the email address you provided
  • Follow the steps to enter your new password
  • Log in to the service with your new credentials

  STEP 2:

  The following conditions must be met to create the password:

  • Minimum length of eight characters;
  • It must contain at least one uppercase and one lowercase character;
  • It must contain at least one number;
  • It must contain at least one special character (e.g. #,$,%,etc...);
  • It must not contain more than two consecutive identical characters.

  STEP 3:

  In order to complete the login process, you need to scan the QR code with the Authenticator app (such as Google Authenticator or Microsoft Authenticator, the procedures are similar) to set up two-factor authentication (2FA) and follow these steps:

  • Download and install the Microsoft Authenticator app from the Google Play Store (for Android) or App Store (for iOS).
  • Apri l'app Microsoft Authenticator.
  • Tap the "+" icon at the top right of the screen to add a new account.
  • Select "Scan QR Code."
  • Use your device's camera to scan the QR code provided by the website or app you're setting up.
  • After scanning, your account will be automatically added to Microsoft Authenticator and a 6-digit code will be generated that changes periodically.
  In the bar where you are asked to enter the one-time code, you must enter the code that you find in the authenticator app you set up before it expires as the one-time code changes approximately every 30 seconds

[Mark5906]

Even with Italian residency and an ID card I cannot get either a CIR or CIN. I am on good terms with the local comune, paid my taxes for 20 or so years and rented through various agencies with no problem until this year. The process and system is clearly broken with various results across Italy regarding its success. I have chosen not to continue with EU registered agencies such as Airbnb but instead using off-shore agencies where a CIR or CIN is not required to advertise. My next meeting with the comune is in a few weeks so I still hope to resolve it maybe in time for the Mars landings…

[Benedict177]

Hi Jeremy

sorry to trouble you. We are struggling to get this CIN for our property in Cortona, Tuscany . Do you know anyone who can help? 

[Jeremy1138]

Hi Benedict,

Kidane is a lawyer based in Milan, who has been very helpful to me.

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Good luck

Jeremy

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