New cancellation policy
09-06-2020
07:44 AM

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09-06-2020
07:44 AM
New cancellation policy
I happened to notice today that a new option has been added to the list of cancellation policies available to hosts. I am not aware that there was any communication from Airbnb regarding this, however, the most disturbing part is that the help attached to this option applies to a different policy instead. Seems Airbnb has only done half a job and can't be bothered to provide any information about the workings of the new option.
However, not to be deterred, we are used to working in the dark when it comes to Airbnb, I have to ask, is this new cancellation option subject to the Extenuating Circumstances Policy along with the others? I suspect the answer is yes, in which case, we are now being asked to offer 10% discounts for accepting non-refundable reservations which can be cancelled and refunded in full if granny dies, the flight is cancelled or someone digs up the road.
This is nothing but a ploy to generate more revenue for Airbnb at the expense of the host. If it were truly of benefit to the host to operate this policy then non refundable would mean just that whereas at the moment it means non refundable until Airbnb decides otherwise. So, for the host the situation is simply take your normal rate and cancellation policy that can be cancelled on a whim by Airbnb, or, offer a 10% under the new policy that can be cancelled by Airbnb on a whim.
Perhaps someone can tell me I got it all wrong here and that we have a true non refundable policy which means our livelihoods are safe from events which should be covered by guests insurance.
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09-06-2020
08:20 AM

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08:20 AM
@Cave0 Yes, the "non refundable" discounted bookings are still eligible for refunds under Extenuating Circumstances, as many hosts discovered throughout the events of this year. It's a bad deal that no host should accept.
09-06-2020
09:04 AM

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09-06-2020
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I agree @Mike-And-Jane0 , that would be travel insurance and worth the 10% but I think EC would still be in play unless it was truly an insurance policy. It would be nice if Airbnb could get someone like Lloyd's of London to underwrite that. That would also cover liability and damages more reliably than the $1,000,000 host dial a prayer coverage. probably not gonna happen.... Stay well, JR
09-06-2020
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09-06-2020
01:01 PM

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Having said a truly non-cancellable reservation would be good under English law even that would be highly unlikely to survive a pandemic, or otherwise caused, government shutdown. Whether we like it or not, in England (and Wales) if a host CANNOT provide accommodation they must refund the guest in full. This is being pursued with many companies in England and most are capitulating before the court cases which are scheduled.
09-06-2020
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09-06-2020
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If you click the More details link at the bottom of the page, it will take you to: https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2600/whats-a-nonrefundable-option. I believe it contains the answers to your questions.
Don't just believe what I say, check the Airbnb Help Center
09-06-2020
02:01 PM
09-06-2020
04:56 PM

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09-06-2020
04:56 PM
@Cave0 Not a new option. Been around for about a year, as I recall. Yes, EC policy applies, so the "non-refundable" is a joke. Can't imagine why any host would choose this policy.
09-06-2020
05:48 PM

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09-06-2020
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Thank you @Debra300 for that one, I only clicked the more details link contained in the description of the policy in settings. The help there just goes to the standard graphic depicting the cancellation policy time frames. This hasn't been updated to include the 10%/non refundable option but I suppose it is too much to expect the site to be operated on a professional basis and for these things to be thought through before going live. Airbnb must think we have all the time in the world to go hunting for stuff.
@Sarah977 , thanks for your input, I had no idea that this option had been made available, perhaps hosts were told and I missed it but it doesn't ring a bell. In any event, since the EC policy applies to this cancellation option too, why any host would want to forego 10% of their revenue just for Airbnb to cancel the booking on a whim is beyond me. It seems to be very misleading in that it is implied in the description that by opting for this cancellation option, the host is protected from frivolous cancellation. Someone digging up a road or missing a flight is hardly attributable to a host failing yet the host seems to be underwriting the losses in such eventulities.
@Mike-And-Jane0 Clearly where a host is unable to host then I suspect most reasonable people would agree that a refund should be forthcoming. However, what Airbnb has been doing in forcing hosts to underwrite the cost of the actions outside of the host country, or by simply accepting cancellations that are elective and based upon an inclination not to travel, is not acceptable. Guests have to accept that if they fail to insure their trip, then they have to take some of the pain since they benefit from not paying the insurance premium if the trip goes exactly as planned. It is wholly unreasonable for the host to take the fall when there's a problem. Airbnb never took into consideration the actual reason for any of the cancellations and I had plenty where the guest indicated before the EC policy came into being that they wanted to cancel because they were unhappy or didn't feel comfortable to travel yet I took the hit simply because Airbnb put everyone in the same category.
@Melodie-And-John0 I quite agree, VRBO/Homeaway offers the guest an option to purchase cancellation insurance or trip insurance when the guest makes a reservation. I had several cancelled because of Covid restrictions and since the insurance was taken out when the reservation was made, the insurance company accepted liability. I suspect one of the problems with Airbnb is that as an organisation, it still has little experience of the real world and it operating on an old ethos of airbeds on spare room floors and insurance wouldn't perhaps be relevant to that. It is clear when talking to the support staff that none of them have any real hosting experience, they operate purely from a script and the script frequently doesn't cover the reason for the call and so they can't deal with it. Maybe one day the organisation will grow up a little, certainly VRBO customer service is more on the ball so to speak and the staff are far more competent when it comes to speedy issue resolution.
09-06-2020
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09-06-2020
06:26 PM

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09-06-2020
06:26 PM
The Strict Non-refundable option has just been rolled out as a beta to my US listings, but none of the Non-refundable options are available for my St. Lucia listings.
Don't just believe what I say, check the Airbnb Help Center
09-06-2020
06:26 PM
10-06-2020
11:28 PM

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10-06-2020
11:28 PM
Just spent 10 min ranting about this topic. Went to post and "an unexpected error occurred" Seriously!!
10-06-2020
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10-06-2020
11:29 PM

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10-06-2020
11:29 PM
Funny this and the last went through fine. Guess I'm being censored for speaking the truth about how messed up this company is
10-06-2020
11:29 PM
11-06-2020
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11-06-2020
01:28 AM
@Property95 No, your posts don't get censored here. They might get removed or parts "hidden" after they're posted, if someone flags them because they're profane or discriminatory or something not allowed, but Airbnb bashing doesn't get censored. Plus, no one actually reads your post before it gets posted, it's all automated.
It's that the platform is glitchy- those of us who have been on this forum for awhile know that and always copy what we've written before clicking on "Reply". That way if it disappears, gets lost in cyberspace, we can just paste it in a reply box again (and copy again) and then press "Reply" again.
12-06-2020
01:48 PM

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12-06-2020
01:48 PM
AirBnB is constantly smashing hosts. I don't know if they realize that, without our houses, they have nothing to sell. As soon as I have some free time, I'm going to select new platforms and I will abandon AirBnB.
They do everything for the guest and absolutely nothing for the host. F**k them!
12-06-2020
03:57 PM

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12-06-2020
03:57 PM
Totally agree! I can't tell you the countless hours I've had to put in helping my guests trying to get refunded under the extenuating circumstances policy. It's seems we do all the work and get nothing in return. Keep me posted of other platforms you find and I will do the same. Would love to dump these a-sh-l-s!
12-06-2020
08:02 PM

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12-06-2020
08:02 PM
Hi Carlos, finally another host see everything the way it is. I am saying for years that without a host and our homes there will be no Airbnb. I wish somebody will come along and offer the service to connect guests with private hosts and charge a fair price and don,t gauze the guests. We pay for the service, but we collect our money from the guests and with Paypal there is no refund for rent when the cancelation policy is STRICT. The contract is strictly with the guest and the host. We only need a agency to make the connection and get paid for the service. There will be no Hotels called a HOST or rental Agend renting 70 apartments for 70 diffent owners calling herself a HOST. Airbnb need to learn the meaning of HOSTING.
A HOST IS A PERSON INTERTAINING ANOTHER PERSON IN HER OR HIS HOME.
A hotel is not a Host and a vacation rental agend is not a HOST. But for Airbnb it is strictly the money for
Airbnb. Everything what goes up fast also falls down fast and maybe the Virus is a good thing for a good
house cleaning and for people to wake up.

