Hosting issue

Tracy210
Level 4
Atlantic Beach, FL

Hosting issue

We have had a long term guest for 60+ days with 30 days remaining. We’ve had numerous conversations with him about cleaning up after himself when using the kitchen—we allow kitchen use. He constantly leaves food on the counters and in the sink.  He doesn’t wash his dishes and he doesn’t put them away.  I gave him a written notice today that if he could not comply with the house rules of cleaning up after himself, we would have to ask him to refrain from using the kitchen. He argued and said the food wasn’t his—my husband and I do not cook nor eat at home, so it’s not really up for debate as to who is leaving the messes.  

This tenant has also told me that he believes he is a guest and should not have to clean up after himself.  He also believes that it is my responsibility to provide laundry soap, dish soap, and various other consumables because it’s a “B and B”

Well today, after he received the written notice and argued with me that he’s not the one leaving messes, he called Airbnb, asking for a refund of 1/2 of the cost of his last months stay.  Customer service called me and said she agreed with me that he is being unreasonable and that he needs to clean up after himself. She said she would deny the request for a refund—and call me back. 8 hours have gone by and no one has called. I’ve called customer service and got no where.  I did just receive a message saying that they would be in contact but nothing else—which has me worried!

The guy doesn’t want to move out—he just wants to stay here for what amounts to $16 a night, and not follow our house rules.  He said that I never specifically told him that he should clean up after himself and then contradicts himself that he messes being left aren't his anyway, so it shouldn’t matter.

 

We are at our wits end with him. Other house rules he has broken—he has taken our dogs out of the kennel and walked them when we weren’t home-at least three times—even though it’s explicitly in our house rules to leave them alone.  He demanded we fix the dryer immediately when it broke because he “is entitled to laundry facilities for free” (it was fixed within 3 days-but he was openly furious and demanding that it be done sooner and he actually used the dryer while broken causing even further damage. ).

we allowed him space in the garage to store his bicycle—as a courtesy.

he overfed the turtles and caused a massive clogging of the turtle tank that resulted in having to replace the filter system and do a major water change after five days. (He fed them an entire container of food in five days).

he insisted on having an antenna put on the television because we don’t have cable—clearly stated in the listing—which resulted in us having to take the tv off the wall and install the antenna and rehang the tv. 

This is just a partial list of what we have done to accommodate him. 

Ive never met such a demanding and unappreciative person in my entire life. I’m a psychologist by trade and my husband is a paramedic. We are by nature, patient and giving. Will Airbnb give him $500 refund and allow him to stay here another month? 

 

 

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@Tracy210  What kind of a locking system do you have is a keyless? If not you are going to have to call in a locksmith and have the lock changed today or have your husband go buy a new one and have him install it to save money. Once AirBnB cancels his reservation make sure your husband is around. 

Noel63
Level 10
Coober Pedy, Australia

Yes, if you change the doorhandles yourself, it is very inexpensive.

@Letti0   You made a bit of a sexist assumption there- to have her husband go buy and install a new lock. I and many other gals are perfectly capable of installing a new door lock 🙂 

 

@Sarah977  Your right I apologize. I admit I would have to read all the directions before I could attempt to do this as I've never had the need to do it lol. I would probably ask my mother to come over to show me how, there's not much she can't do. Her husband pasted over 25 years ago and she never remarried and learned to be self sufficient in more areas than I could name or count. I contantly call her to pick her brain more times than not she just shows up to show me. Last time was to fix the bulb thing in the toilet that wasn't working right. She just picked up a new and replaced it in 5 minutes. Now I can do it too ;D

@Letti0   Apology totally accepted. I remember my grandma constantly getting up on ladders to fix things. My grandpa never seemed to do these things- he was an insurance salesman and sang as a cantor in the synagogue and liked to do magic tricks. I don't think he was mechanically inclined. However, my father (other side of the family) was a mechanical engineer and between whatever brain chemistry I inherited from him and my maternal grandma I seem to be able to figure out how to deal with most fairly straightforward repairs (doesn't mean I don't have to read the instructions, though 🙂 and I certainly don't do auto mechanics) My brother, however, didn't inherit this brain- he was trying to help me out one day when the transmission warning light was on in my car. He kept insisting on reading the dipstick when the car was off, and I kept telling him that transmission fluid needs to be checked with the motor warm and running. He was pulling the "I'm a guy and it's a car so of course I know what I'm doing" card.

I have friends who instantly glaze over when I try to explain something like how my door locks work. I tend to believe they were made to think, from an early age, that they were incapable of understanding such things, so they just don't even try to understand.

None of this means I don't hire people to do some of these things for me-it's a matter of time or whether I actually want to get my hands dirty. But it's really nice when you can choose to fix something yourself which takes all of 15 minutes, rather than wait for the repairman to show up (never on time).

@Sarah977  I took 3 years of auto mechanic courses in high school had to go across road to the boys HS school for them (Catholic HS's) to upset my mother lol. I can do a lot with older cars, the new computer ones forget it. I have a 79 Camero, an 85 Firebird Trans Am and 67 Jeep CJ5. I had a 69 Firebird Trans Am, but some low life stole it. The VIN number is still out there on the watch list at auction houses and insurance data bases I renew it every year. If the car does show up it's returned me. 

 

I have never had to do anything until this past year in regards to my house and now I am learning, very slowly. 

@Letti0   I totally wanted to take auto mechanics in high school, but only boys were allowed to take it. Girls had the choice of Home Ec or Sewing 😞

I have taken a carburator apart, though, and successfully fixed it with a carb kit. But I don't actually understand how they function- I'm just adept at noting how something comes apart (very carefully, so none of the bits fall out) , where all the pieces go, and putting it back together in reverse order.

Again,  under the circumstances you've outlined,  I would likely not wait for a case manager.  I would change the locks / block access,  box his property and put it on the curb.  As would any hotel manager.

The fact that he is declaring he would "have more rights as a tenant" is a clear indication of his resent and that he feels he should be treated differently (as a co-tenant).   I'd certainly not give him the opportunity to gain any such "rights" in my property over time.  I'd also attempt to minimize the time lost (== more expense) on dealing with this.

Do you think he can afford legal representation?

No chance in he$$ can he afford legal representation.  He is demanding a refund for the lost days, which Airbnb has said I don't have to grant.  I have not discussed refunds with him.  I told him to refer to Airbnb, and to vacate the property as of today.  He, of course, is now denying any threats, and continues to make threats.  Although now, the threats are being made in the app.  At least I take this as a threat: "Please also note that false criminal charges are actionable as well as criminal in themselves".  He talks in circles.  I just keep redirecting him to Airbnb, and to vacate the property today. 

Noel63
Level 10
Coober Pedy, Australia

At least he's now making threats in the app. Hopefully, this will move CS towards resolving the situation.

Cormac0
Level 10
Kraków, Poland

@Tracy210

 

The way I see it is, hosts are Airbnb subcontractors, Airbnb pay us and tell us on no account except money from the guest, so in reality does any contact exist between Guest and Host, not the way I see it.

 

Noel63
Level 10
Coober Pedy, Australia

I hope that you've heard back from CS today.

Not one phone call back!

i have called them 7 times in 48 hours.

they texted me overnight stating that the guest refuses to move out unless I agree to refund him 100% of the unused nights, which I have already said no to, since he violated the house rules repeatedly and started this by asking for a refund in the first place.

 

however, this guys sister is an attorney in New York—I’m in Florida.  Apparently, she had spoken to Airbnb and they told her it was my decision to not grant the refund and they seemed to be honoring that according to her, so she asked me to reconsider. 

 

He did move most of his stuff out and did not stay here last night, but he still has a key and we are changing locks today. 

@Tracy210   I would box up the remaining items and have them all ready for him. I would not allow him back in your home.

Oh my word.

we were changing the locks today and this man moved his stuff back in this morning.

im at my wits end. 

Im back on the phone with Airbnb for the 8th time.

im beyond frustrated.

Never in a million years would I have expected this.