Kitchen access?

Kitchen access?

After careful consideration we decided not to include use of the kitchen for our listing, this is reflected in our listing price. Our listing also does not include the kitchen in the ammenities and states that the guests have access to the bedroom and bathroom. I am generally a flexible and easy going person. The problem is that out of my last 7 guests 4 have asked to use the kitchen or fridge. It is clearly becoming a very consistent issue and soon it will be 5 out of 9 guests. My last guest didn't ask to use the kitchen, they just used it, and whatever they ate had a very strong and lingering odor. I had one guest simply ask for ice for their lunchbox, which was completely fine. The problem is that people tend to assume that I am going to be ok with them using the kitchen once they arrive and I believe that when I say no it is hurting my feedback. I have a 4 star rating top to bottom from a guest when I initially started hosting, I was upset but you can't make everybody happy. All my other feedback has been 5 stars with the exception of one that rated me 5 stars on everything and 4 stars for overall experience(... how does that make sense?). My only reasoning is that this is due to the kitchen issue. Today I have added the following notation to my listing under guest access:

 

"Guest bedroom and bathroom. Please be mindful that we don't offer the use of the kitchen as a part of our listing. We do supply some water bottles in the room for your convenience."

 

Do you think it's worded delicately enough? Should I add it to my house rules as well? I feel like maybe my listing isn't clear enough, or people just don't take the time to read the listing. Should I just increase the price of my listing and include use of the kitchen? What are your suggestions and experiences? I have one more guest checking-in who assumed that the use of the kitchen was included and, unfortunately, I somehow missed responding quickly and decided to make a one time exception. 

 

I apologize for the long winded post. Here are the reasons we originally decided not to include access to the kitchen. Are we being unreasonable?:

 

1. We work from home and our kitchen, work area, and livingroom is open concept. We thought that having guests coming in and out of our work area to access the kitchen would be disruptive and possibly uncomfortable for all parties.

 

2. We used to have roommates that did not clean up after themselves, lost our kitchen utensils (Idk how they managed that) and damaged our pots, pans, and appliances. My listing is competatively priced without access to the kitchen. If I were to allow guests to use the kitchen I feel I would have to raise the price for the extra work I would do cleaning and to budget for possible damage to my appliances.

 

3. We have a small kitchen and we use it multiple times daily.

 

4. We felt like it like it would be a little invasive to have strangers helping themselves to our kitchen. We also read about some guests helping themselves to the host's food, which seemed odd, and we just didn't want to potentially deal with that.

 

5. There are plenty of restaurants and coffee shops nearby, within a one mile radius.

 

6. All the furniture and bedding is relatively new, purchased not more than 6 months ago. I would prefer if guests didn't eat or drink in the bedroom to prevent potential stains, damage to the furniture, and criters. We do think allowing access to the kitchen would probably increase the likelyhood of guests eating in their room. We thought a no food in the bedroom rule was being too strict and "nit picky" so I actually allow for them to eat in their room, I just prefer that they don't. I also provide bottles of water because they don't have kitchen access and we all need to stay hydrated. I ultimately want my guests to feel comfortable.

 

7. Our guests tend to be short term guests and feel that for that reason access to the kitchen was not necessary. Our listing limits stays to 2 weeks because we do not want to have a situation were a guest ends up over staying and then obtains renter's rights. It also allows us to host our friends and family, who mostly live out of state and visit often. While we have been extremely lucky and have only hosted overall wonderful guests so far, we also thought it would reduce the time period we would potentially have to deal with any negative guest/host experience.

 

8. We always keep the house tidy and clean. I have a 5 star cleanliness rating. The guest's bedroom and bathroom are always spotless. Our kitchen is our personal space and because we use it so often it would be difficult to keep it spotless all the time. I would feel obligated to clean it to a higher standard then currently suits me. (Ex. I don't mind keeping a dirty cup in the sink for a few hours until I clean up after dinner but never allow dishes to pile up. I also like to let my dishes air dry on a drying mat or allow a dirty dish to soak for 30 minutes to an hour, when necessary. I would not do any that if a guest were permitted to use the kitchen because  I think it would be rude on my part and when I had roommates they took that as an invitation for me to constantly clean up after them.)

102 Replies 102
Mackenzie15
Level 1
Eugene, OR

Hey fellow Oregonian AirBnB host!

 

I have had numerous issues with my kitchen-- some items stolen and people just thinking they can use whatever. All-in-all if you're gone you can't monitor everything all the time. There are still going to be some issues. Here's what I do:

 

1. Charge a kitchen usage fee of $5. Heating items up or putting items in the fridge are ok. Anything beyond that and using say a few untensils and (hopefully cleaning them) is when you've got to pay. 

 

2. I don't drink coffee-- which is GOOD but bad for many people as many peopel would just "help themselves." But it also increases the urgency of them getting out the door to get their fix in the AM. 

 

3. I have a security camera in my kitchen so I can see and have full view of anything that goes on and I can check in and get notifications whenever there is movement. As lawfully so, I do mention and have signs up that the main living spaces have security cameras. But that still hasn't stopped one person from replacing a numbered, limited edition $165-185+ range bottle of wine and replacing it in the wine rack with a two buck chuck so I woudn't notice-- it was too long gone and security cameras were erased by the time I found out about it. I've also had nice pans stolen, cookware damaged and dropped. 

 

Unfortunately the more fre range you give to AirBnB indivudals means that even more mistakes can happen. People aren't perfect. And not everyone is an aware and respectful guest-- even if they are sometimes things break. They are in a new environment. I know that I've accidentally done something that I wouldn't have ever done or been a lot more careful with in a new environment but I feel awful about it and resolve it. Best to state rules and lay the options out ahead of time so that they don't have to ask and they know the rules. Making guests pay for something increases their respect in certain areas. I also have mini airbnb signs around my house helping state the rules and anything they need to know in that area. It makes it really simple and easy to streamline things. I have a sign in my kitchen-- it definitely helps! 

 

Hope your AirBnB is going well! 

 

Cheers,

 

- Mackenzie

Nick290
Level 2
Port Adelaide, Australia

Hi Mackenzie,

How do you add a kitchen  usage fee ?

I like your ideas of signs. What do you put and how? Any information would be greatly appreciated. 

Teresa

Nick290
Level 2
Port Adelaide, Australia

Can anyone help ? I wouldnt mind if guests use the kitchen but i have adretised the room at a certain price. So is there a way to add an extra cost for Kitchen use ??

Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

I host a single room (i.e. for 1 person) with private bath and full use of my kitchen. I guess I'm lucky- none of my guests have abused this. All have washed their dishes (some have even washed mine!), wiped the counters, and put food away. I do admit the fridge can get overly full, but I consider that part of the package.

I think it is a bit much to expect that guests will want to eat out all the time. Some simply can't afford it, especially in a touristy area, and some just want to relax, hang out, read a book, write, and not really go much of anywhere or do much of anything- they need a time-out vacation. Sharing some meals with my guests has been a good and rewarding experience for me.

Of course, to each his own, and if a host does not want to share their kitchen, that is their prerogative. But I thought the whole idea of airbnb was supposed to be sharing one's home, not just making $ renting out a room.

David126
Level 10
Como, CO

I rent rooms, mainly short stays and for some reason have been lately getting this, you come for a night and want to use the Kithen, what Hotel Chain do you normally use?

David
Edith0
Level 10
Paris, France

You wrote the answer to your question!

 

Why don't you simply explain why the kitchen's use is not allowed?

"...... Please be mindful that we don't offer the use of the SMALL kitchen as a part of our listing BECAUSE 

we work from home and our kitchen, work area, and livingroom is open concept. Besides, there are plenty of restaurants and coffee shops nearby, within a one mile radius."

 

I would add a picture of the water bottles on the listing, but I wouldn't say 

"We do supply some water bottles in the room for your convenience."

 

 

 

Edith

Just gets complicated if you try and explain things and people do not read much anyway.

 

 

David
Lilian20
Level 10
Argelès-sur-Mer, France

Oups !!! Looks like @David126 just said it all ! 

Teri/Alexander

 

Its up to the host!  Alexander, find a listing that allows what you want.  Please dont criticise hosts until you have stood in their shoes!  They have every right in their own home.  I have been a guest n a host, certainly learned alot.  Surprisingly, I have found such a sense on entitlement in some of my guests, thank goodness they are the minirity owise I would stop hosting!  

 

Cheers Lynn

 

Exactly, Lynn. Thanks. And enjoy the benefits of AirBnB while it lasts. With such entitled people out there these days I doubt it can be around in its current form for long. 

A very bright statement.

Lilian20
Level 10
Argelès-sur-Mer, France

@Anonymous   be patient, we hope that one day @Alexandra229

 is going to score a good comment... https://www.airbnb.com/users/show/103360687 maybe on the third trip ? 

Huma0
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

I am surprised to hear about so many problems that people have with guests in their kitchens, but maybe I have just been lucky.

 

I also work from home in my open plan kitchen/diner space but I still give unrestricted access to my kitchen. Guests get one shelf in the fridge per room (there is an additional fridge for drinks if that is not enough and bread bin they can use) and long term guests get cupboard space too. I provide tea, coffee and sugar, but no breakfast, and guests are asked not to help themselves to other people's food and drink. So far, this works pretty well.

 

In nearly a year and a half of hosting and well over 100 guest stays, the only thing broken or damaged in the kitchen was one champagne flute and the guests immediately offered to replace it. Mess or smells have not been an issue. I have a dishwasher, but most guests wash their stuff by hand and only a tiny percentage have occasionally left a glass or mug unwashed by the sink, but never plates or pans etc. I've only had one guest who helped himself to food but that guest was generally problematic.

 

To be honest, I would much rather guests eat in the kitchen/diner than eat food in their rooms, especially greasy take aways. Some do this anyway, but I suspect if I didn't allow kitchen access it would be much worse.

 

Each to their own though. I do 100% feel that it is the host's CHOICE. If a guest wants a place with kitchen access and the host has clearly stated that this is not offered, the guest should book elsewhere. I hate it when a guest agrees to something prior to booking and then starts challenging it when they arrive. 

The other thing that happens, with couples, is that the person booking agrees to things, then the partner tries to change it when they arrive. This happened to me with one couple. I cut the price way down on the proviso that there would be NO COOKING. The wife then tried to charm her way into using the kitchen. I said no. Later I found cut marks on a pricey piece of furniture in their bedroom, and I suspect they cooked in there also. Best of luck with AirBnB.