New host and already seeing guest scams. Frustrated.

New host and already seeing guest scams. Frustrated.

Im a little frustrated. I a am new to hosting and I received a request to book an entire month. AirBNB pre-approved them and I asked the applicants for proof of identity and the same selfie as well as a social media account.  They responded right away with a HongKong passport (blonde woman), and the selfie. i did not want to discriminate, but it looked suspicious. Then the facebook profile was the same woman, but a different name.  Still, I am trying to give them the opportunity to prove themselves, so i requested a video chat. 

 

From that point on they insisted that i jump onto telegram or whatsapp because they could not send a link.  So after a few more back and forths, i tried to call them on whatsapp and telegram and that platform said their security settings was not allowing the call. So they asked for my number so they can call me. I let them do that and finally we got on the phone. The voice sounded fake and almost english/dutch but with chinese mannerisms.  We asked them their name right away and she responded with a third name we never heard of. We then asked them about if they like to cook because we have a nice gourmet kitchen and they said chinese food.  Clearly the facebook profile said they were in the states. So i asked where they were traveling from and they said Los Angeles (to match the facebook page). 

 

So now I am thinking they put a fake person on a real HongKong passport and used a stolen identity to seem like they were here in the states. They even had a TX phone number. So i started asking about the photos in their profile and they didnt know what I was talking about. Clearly this profile was in los angeles. They further explained to me that they have been in the states for 6 years, then that changed to 10 on the video call.  Then she got suspicious of me and posted my property in the telegram chat and the snapshot had chinese writing all over the browser profile.   

 

During the call they did not want to ask basic questions and rushed off.  Had to go somewhere.  Then after for days they started asking if i lived in the property and if i was there now. I said i lived next door (to keep them from thinking that it was vacant).  

 

This is my first back and forth. The worst part is it took my entire day dealing with this and days after. Since then i learned a few lessons:

 

1. Don't allow 30 days, reduce it to like 2 weeks since i am a first time host.

2. AirBNB verification is not reliable. Anyone can take a real passport and glue their face on it. Sure the selfie matches, but that's not them

3. Don't allow instant booking. Allow time for you to verify them. Background check etc. If the background checks come up empty or their social media profile is new and/or they have sparse information in it then it's a red flag.

4. Dont give them your personal phone number or email. 

5. Stay in the airbnb chat and don't let them get you off of it.

 

Hope this helps. 

 

Airbnb: Please start using advanced verification procedures and third party verification companies. They are far more robust.  Also try to employ AI of photoshopped detection software in their verification.

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Shelley159
Top Contributor
Stellenbosch, South Africa

Hi @John8753 

This will be very valuable for new hosts as there are many complaints about this, it's great that you posted! One thing to look forward to is that the scams seem to target new hosts disproportionately, so you should see less of this over time.

I agree that it's best for new hosts to start with shorter stays (even in the absence of scams), to have a chance to find your feet and to get some reviews to boost your listing. I don't fully agree with point 3 - as these scammers have absolutely no intention to book through Airbnb, Instant Book shouldn't increase the risk for this type of scam. But your summary is spot-on, most importantly number 5: Stay on platform. The whole thing seems to center on finding a way to get new hosts to communicate away from Airbnb. I hope hosts in similar situations read your post.

Thanks for your response. Re: option#3, I would like to know if the user is verified, and they are a scammer with a stolen identity, what is to stop them from booking the rental?  For example, what if your verification process is flawed (as in this case) and the scammer is using a stolen credit card or credit line from stolen SSN's to book? Then at the last minute, on move in day, someone else shows up because they re-host my place to some stranger and then cancel the credit card charge. How does AirBNB protect hosts from this? Is there a fraud gurantee that comes with "verified identity" badges to make a host feel more secure?  If so then I will re-enable option#3

 

Thanks, 

 

Love to hear your response.

Shelley159
Top Contributor
Stellenbosch, South Africa

Hi @John8753 

Of course if you're uncomfortable with Instant Book in general, you should keep it turned off. There are many hosts on this forum who don't like to use it. I just meant that - for this particular scam - I don't think turning it off will reduce the risk.

Thanks. Do you know if there are any guarantees for scammers that are verified? 

 

Also, what is the recourse for scammers that reverse their charges after move in?

 

Thanks 

Airbnb takes care of the concerns that you have to be honest, from identity verification, and the payment verification.

 

There is a reason they are trying to avoid booking through Airbnb directly. 

 

The best way to protect yourself as a new host is to stay on Airbnb, and avoid giving away any of your personal information such as phone number, email, etc.