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Anyone who would like to start a group here in Bullhead City Az ?
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Hello everyone. Firstly, sorry for being away from the community for so long (due to a number of reasons). I wanted to share my recent experience and ask for your opinions. Apologies if it's a bit long...
I have been a Superhost for the majority of the time I have hosted in my current home. I have three guest rooms which were pretty much fully booked pre-pandemic and, since then, I've managed to keep things going with bookings on and off. Things were finally starting to pick up again in the latter months of this year. I've maintained my Superhost status every quarter for the past five years and have been at a 5.0 rating for about two (prior to that, mostly fluctuating between 4.9 and 5.0 as you know how long it can take to recover from the occasional 4 stars).
My dilemma is this. I recently had a guest who unexpectedly left me a 3 star overall rating (and 3 or 4 stars in every category bar location). She never complained while she was here and seemed to enjoy her stay. Although her English was limited so something may have been lost in translation, she left me a positive review and a nice private note and there is absolutely no negative feedback explaining the low ratings. I also feel that I went above and beyond for this guest in many ways, so it's pretty confusing.
Anyway, as a result of this, my rating has gone from 5.0 to 4.3 and I will definitely lose my Superhost status at the next assessment. Even if all remaining guests leave 5 stars, that only brings me up to 4.66, not the 4.8 required. I have even already received a warning email from Airbnb that my listing may be suspended. It will be a long time before I can significantly bring it back up.
I already called Airbnb about this but, as expected, the CS rep said there was nothing he could do about it, especially as the guest had not mentioned anything negative in the review that I could contest. His only advice was to keep up the good work.
I know that a lot of hosts feels that being a Superhost makes no difference. However, I would say in my experience that it does. When I first started hosting, most of my guests had no idea what a Superhost even was. In recent years (since Airbnb started promoting the scheme a bit more), I have found that many guests mention they booked with me because of it. Once guests are aware of it, they often specifically search for Superhosts. Even if you forget about that, my rating for that listing has dropped to 4.0. and I know I wouldn't book an Airbnb with that rating!
My questions are these:
1. I would like to message the guest asking for feedback. Perhaps she did not understand that her ratings were actually very low, rather than 'good' or 'very good'/'as expected' or 'better than expected' as it is sometimes represented by Airbnb. Or, perhaps she was too shy to tell me that there was a problem and it would be helpful to know what that was, regardless of whether Superhost status matters or not. How best to phrase this message without seeming like I am harassing her?
2. This guest instant booked. I only turned on IB because I felt I must (once Airbnb really started to push it, my fully booked listings dropped to the bottom of the search results, which is disastrous in London where there are so many Airbnbs, and only recovered when I turned it on). If this had been a booking request, I would not have accepted it without the guest answering all of the pre-booking questions, which she hadn't. So, should I turn it off and risk my listings disappearing again? I'm tempted, but not sure that's the best idea given that her rating may already have an impact on bookings? A very low percentage of long-term guests IB, but the rest might not even see my listing if I turn it off, so I am not sure that would be to my advantage.
@Huma0 of course it is impossible to tell with a 100 percent certainty if it had any effect. Unless I had two identical properties in the same location, promoted the same way by the algorithm and with the same availability, there is not a way to know.
Pretty much everyone cancelled when the pandemic started. I closed two properties and converted two to long term. in the few remaining months that it took me to decide to rent them and find a tenant, it was unhappy guests non stop. I kept one as STR the whole time to keep the hand on the pulse of the market. It was making enough to stay even. Same thing, no one was happy. People were complaining about the quality of trash bags and art on the walls. My superhost status was out of the window.
I have reopened the two long term rentals as STRs this summer. I have not had an unbooked weekend since and I have raised my weekend prices twice. Could have I had more mid week bookings? Even higher prices? Better quality guests? Perhaps. All i know is that I did well. When I got the status back, I did not notice an upteak in bookings
That's really interesting to hear. I am glad that your bookings picked up again. Yes, I agree, these are not the best times to over analyse your bookings because it's just good to have bookings!
I have had few guests, but a lot of them have been great. On the other hand, I feel like there is also a larger percentage of problematic ones. I am trying to be vigilant in spotting the red flags and not accepting the ones that spell potential danger, but I clearly failed in this instance because there were red flags there.
Good to get your perspective. More and more people are telling me that Superhost status really does not affect their bookings. I am grateful for the lovely reviews that guests have left me. Maybe that will be enough.
Welcome back @Huma0! I have flagged this to the team earlier today, but I can't promise if there's anything they can do.
Thank you! That is very kind of you. How are you by the way??
Yes, I totally understand there may be nothing they can do. The rep I spoke to was very nice and seemed like he wanted to be helpful, so I am not complaining about that.
However, some time ago there was an announcement on the CC about how Airbnb was going to address hosts' concerns about 'outlier' reviews. If you look at my track record, I would certainly think this qualifies as an 'outlier' so it would be great if that promise amounted to something, not just in my case, but overall.
As you host yourself, I am sure you get what I mean! Of course reviews are subjective, but if the ratings are so out of whack with the rest of the guests, it should be an indication that that particular guest didn't really rate accurately. If they had an issue/problem with something at the listing, there is ample opportunity for them to say so. Sadly, this guest has given me no indication at all as to what the problem was, if there was one at all...
Hi @Huma0, I'm good, thanks! I'll be on holiday for 2-3 weeks starting next week. I'll be staying in the UK this year as well for the upcoming festive season due to the new COVID variant. No family visits to the Netherlands this year either I'm afraid 😞.
Unfortunately, I have also had a similar experience with the star ratings with a guest in the past. I was a newbie at the time, and had no idea it would have such a great impact on the overall rating...
I've spoken with someone from the team, and they've advised me that you contact Airbnb again so that they can look into this, as there's currently no open case. Not exactly sure what they can do from this point, but I think it's still worth calling them again just to check what they have to say. I did mention your point about outlier reviews as well.
Please let me know what they come back with @Huma0.
@Quincy it's a shame you can't visit your family. I hope you have something nice planned here instead? I always spend Christmas in London as my closest family are here anyway but oh how I long for a beach holiday and some sunshine soon!
Thank you for taking the time doing that. It's strange that there's no open case as I did receive messages from CS (but different reps on the same thread) and when it gave me the option to close the case, I opted for no!
Do you know whom you spoke to and how I might be able to get through to the right team? The reps who messaged me back just sent me links to the review policy. They didn't seem aware of any policies on 'outlier' reviews and never referred to that that, even though that was what I was asking about in the first place, i.e. would they consider this an outlier and remove it on that account?
There are no policy for outliers. There was a tool to suggest the guest that low review it's not common, then let the guest to reconsider.
Customer Support can't delete an outlier.
Hi @Huma0, I've got a trip to one of the spa's in Bath planned with my significant other 🙂. Aw, that's lovely. It's great to have family nearby! 😊
I'm currently still waiting for more info surrounding this case from the team. As I am away for the next 2 weeks, I've informed my colleagues here on the CC so that they can continue monitoring this for you.
Thank you @Quincy . That's so kind of you. In the meantime, I've responded on the CS message thread as the bot was asking me again if the issue has been resolved. I will try calling them again, but so far this has been passed from one rep to another (three different ones so far) so I don't seem to get anywhere.
Ah Bath is lovely. That sounds romantic and I hope quite magical. In October I spent a long weekend in Somerset with my mum (staying in an Airbnb) and it was so much fun. Such a great area to visit for so many reasons. I hope you have a wonderful time and Merry Christmas!
@Huma0 Sorry that happened. I read some of your reviews that were so good I don't think losing superhost status will matter much. A few listings here are always in the top 10 and have 4.9 as they have been doing it a long time.
As far as losing super host status for not enough guest during covid. I'm just now getting guest from Europe again. So I'd imagine some parts of the world could very much have been completely shut down, no guest, and just now started traveling, and I think today visitors flying into the US have to have a negative covid test within 24 hours.
Thank you for your kind words.
Here too, anyone arriving in the UK (residents, as well as visitors) have to have a test (within two days) even if they are fully vaccinated. Recently, the regulations changed so that they have to self isolate until they get the results. You can get express test results, but that is much more expensive (even up to £300).
I don't mind that too much as I would rather we stay safe, but obviously it is not so great for business. I just got another cancellation because of it.
I fully expected to lose a (fat) handful of bookings thanks to the new rules, @Huma0, but no. In fact, and typically, a guest (December 26-29) who I don't really fancy hosting (it was an IB) is unfazed by my thinly veiled scare-mails.
My recent NYC guest (who I thought would ditch me) got her results the same day (and not for the exorbitant £300 fee). AND she brought Brooklyn Bagel bagels. Puts the rubbish we get in Sainsbo's to shame.
Glad to hear it is not affecting your bookings too much.
The US guest who recently cancelled didn't do so because of the Day 2 tests (I found him a same day result service at the airport for only £59). It was because I reminded him that, should he test positive, he would need to quarantine for 10 days. As he was only coming to London for 13, he decided it wasn't worth it.
Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut but I was just trying to make sure he was aware of all the restrictions and suggesting he had a plan B in place (I cannot have guests quarantining at my house due to the layout/shared facilities, and I am upfront about this on my listing). That particular restriction is not new and was already in place when he booked, but he had never really thought about it before.
@Huma0 This entire story pushes to the forefront of corporate consideration the question of what kind of lodging product is ABB cultivating and nurturing? When a highly rated listing built up over 5 years destroyed by a single Review by a consumer with no credentials to be judging and rating said business and the value of that customer holds power over the value of the person who created a great place to stay over 5 years well then something needs to get fixed- on the platform.
Yes, exactly. No wonder hosts leave glowing reviews for bad guests, or allow bad guests to repeatedly break their house rules and are too scared to ask for compensation for damages. The review system does little to protect hosts if one bad (and we're talking 3 stars here, not 1) can cause so much damage to an experienced host's ratings.
Judging by my track record, it's obvious that this review is an 'outlier', but when I asked Airbnb CS if they would treat it as one and therefore remove it, they seemed unfamiliar with the concept.
Here, Airbnb said they were committed to taking this issue seriously:
But, I can't really see how this benefits many hosts. How many times does a guest leave 5 stars in every category and 2 overall? 4 overall, maybe, but 2?? This is a token gesture as it doesn't at all address the actually concerns of most hosts on this matter.
I would love to hear from any hosts who feel they have benefited from the new tool announced above, although I'm not sure if it was ever even launched...
What would be of benefit is to consider an uncharacteristically low rating/terrible review against a host's track record and the word of a lot of other happy guests and then judge it to be an outlier or not. The outlier should be removed, but of course there should be a limit on those removals so that the host is still accountable if their standards have slipped.
At the very least, I think Airbnb should consider removing a minimum of 1 review out of 100 as an outlier (although 1 out of 50 would be fairer), i.e. if the host has 99+ 5 star reviews and one 3 star one, remove the latter.