National Forest Closures in California Does that affect Private Property in the Forest?
31-08-2021
03:42 AM
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03:42 AM
National Forest Closures in California Does that affect Private Property in the Forest?
All the National Forests in California are closed until mid September or longer. Host who have property in the middle of the forests, how does this affect you? I am not sure what should be our response. I live in the forest and my rental is on the same property. Is anyone else in a similar situation? Fire season just seems to get worse and worse each year. Do you tell your guest they can stay on the property, but not venture out into the forest or hike the trails? Part of the beauty of here is trail next to the river and the surrounding national forest. It might be that we are all on our own to figure this one out.
31-08-2021
03:42 AM
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31-08-2021
12:30 PM
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31-08-2021
12:30 PM
@Dennise-Ann0 Under different circumstances, the idea of hiking a National Forest trail when it's closed to the public (like in a government shutdown) sounds kind of magical. But in this case, the forests have been closed for public safety due to severe fire risk. On top of that, a guest could easily get lost or suffer a medical emergency on the beautiful trails - this situation becomes far more fraught and dangerous when they are illegally trespassing in a closed area.
This seems like a good time to use that Extenuating Circumstances clause to cancel any bookings that coincide with the closure. I don't think a responsible traveler would be making a non-essential visit inside one of California's national forests at this time, and as a host you probably don't want to give an irresponsible person the keys to your gorgeous cabin.
31-08-2021
12:52 PM
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31-08-2021
12:52 PM
@Anonymous I am not sure the EC policy applies to @Dennise-Ann0 's situation. Are wildfires in California not 'expected' just as hurricanes are in Florida?
As an aside this exception for normal occurrences is madness looking at the devastation caused by Ida.
31-08-2021
12:52 PM
31-08-2021
05:11 PM
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31-08-2021
05:11 PM
@Mike-And-Jane0 The the fire advisories in and of themselves wouldn't qualify as extenuating circumstances - these days, they are every bit as common and expected in California as kale salads and breast implants. I think the Extenuating Circumstance that applies most immediately here is not the "natural disasters" one but rather "government travel restrictions":
Travel restrictions imposed by a governmental agency that prevent or prohibit traveling to, staying at, or returning from the Listing location.
If the listing is located inside a national forest that has been closed to public access, that sounds to me like a pretty binding restriction. It's a little complicated because these enclaves of private property exist within the restricted area, so presumably @Dennise-Ann0 and other residents are exempt from the closure. I'm sure there are nuances I don't know about, but I'd be very surprised if this right of access could be freely transferred to any number of tourists who want to drive into the restricted area to rent her home.
31-08-2021
07:03 PM
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31-08-2021
07:03 PM
@Dennise-Ann0 @Anonymous @Mike-And-Jane0
You have posed an excellent question. We are in Mendocino County, Northern California, so this is a local question for us. Your responses are excellent as well, particularly from a public safety aspect, and quoting policy.
Bear with me, please, as I tell more of the reality of living and hosting in California in summer. Twain Harte is in the risky zone as well. Nearby Sonora just had a fire that could have become another statistic.
Unless you have personally faced smoke, flames, and live with evacuation bags packed, as I do, as a firefighter and as a permanent wild land resident, this is just words on paper. I've also seen, as an ER person, what fire can do to flesh, smoke can do to the heart and lungs. People die of smoke inhalation in fires, as fire uses oxygen as food.
We know the very real risks and responsibilities of living in one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We have evacuation and survival plans A, B, C at all times, and consider health and safety of guests in them.
We often block our calendar in fire season, as now, because the drift smoke is choking us and restricting all outdoor activity, especially hiking our beautiful trails. Visibility is seriously restricted. Those vast views and pristine air quality we normally enjoy are a mere rumor during fire season.
The public forest is closed here too, although it was totally burned over recently, in several years of enormous, record breaking fires. The hazard is still great all over, and there are not enough resources to deal with another fire. It is unbelievably dry here, all it takes is a spark. Every firefighter and all that equipment is in the Sierra foothills right now trying to protect people and homes in the wild land interface. We, too, are always at risk as we are in the wilderness, here. Maintaining a firebreak is ongoing hard work.
We are constantly prepared and conscious of this, so our guests do not have to think of it, at all.
The ecology in the west is fire dependent, and drought cycles are as normal as fire is. A century of fire suppression by policy has made us much more vulnerable to huge fires, even without climate issues. The forests and chaparral need to renew by periodic fire, not built up fuel.
It is very different from hurricanes, yet the consciousness and preparedness is the same.
It is known, here, that people are sneaking around and camping everywhere there is a wide spot. This is a larger public safety risk. Water for residential use is scarce now, in the drought, wells are low and many are dry. The lakes, ponds, reservoirs which are normally also used for firefighting, are low, many are mud puddles. Many communities are hauling truckloads of water from areas with some to spare. Much of the west is actually irrigated desert. Every drop is precious.
Locals are carrying fire extinguishers in our vehicles, and using them on small fires in vacant lots and roadsides here. We all carry water, food, survival gear, shovels and dress for safety, not fashion. It is a lot of responsibility to allow guests in such a time, here.
Our visitors need the recreation our regions offer, and peace of mind to re-create themselves so they can go back to cities and jobs that keep the world running as expected. They join us in a situation of risk for safety in any emergency. Not only is there the potential for need of evacuation, there is also a situation with our rural hospitals which are overflowing with Covid patients. Medical workers are beyond stressed, and there are no beds available for other medical emergencies. Car wrecks, strokes, heart attacks, and accidents on the remote trails, included. Sobering, yes. Being a responsible Innkeeper is not a simple thing.
Asking these questions and considering the reality of our situations is definitely responsible.
31-08-2021
11:38 PM
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31-08-2021
11:38 PM
So are you currently not renting? I use the cabin as my guest house and only rent it when family or friends are not using it. So I was thinking of renting it, then the forest closure happened. I currently have all dates blocked. I am very close to the recent two fires, the one outside Sonora and the other one outside Columbia. During most of 2020 I did not rent because of the pandemic. We also have neighbors with water tanks to help with small fires, most of us carry chainsaws, and we are somewhat relieved the forest is closed. I don't rent the cabin when a snowstorm. So I guess I will not rent the cabin this month.
31-08-2021
07:07 PM
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31-08-2021
07:07 PM
This is from the local news according to California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.
If you live near the wildfires, or plan to travel near them for any length of time, it’s important to prepare yourself. It’s also important not to forget the hazards associated with the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, particularly if an evacuation involves large crowds or extended travel.
You can get the latest updates on incidents in California at fire.ca.gov.
31-08-2021
07:07 PM
31-08-2021
09:26 PM
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31-08-2021
09:26 PM
@Dennise-Ann0 @Anonymous @Mike-And-Jane0
In case you who do not live remotely as we and @Dennise-Ann0 do were wondering - - we carry chainsaws in our vehicles all year, trees and large limbs fall in every season from wind and storms, , not just fires. Chains for dragging them, and for getting cars out of ditches. And a very complete first aid kit.
31-08-2021
09:26 PM