Open letter to customer service

Loring1
Level 6
Somers, MT

Open letter to customer service

Only using one song in a loop while you force me repeatedly onto hold for 30-40 minutes is likely considered torture under international law...

 

You can do much better.

 

 

 

On an individual note, how do I get help with a payment that is now three weeks late? I have talked to 7 CS reps who all give me the same line about "my case being escalated and I will get a call back." Each time I get no call or email and the case is "closed."

 

The other platforms may be more expensive, but honestly it is worth it. I am delisting and doubt I will be back.

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Emiel1
Level 10
Leeuwarden, The Netherlands

@Loring1 

 

Just wondering: is it still this song you were tortured with ? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0dCGC466g

Loring1
Level 6
Somers, MT

@Emiel1  Do you want to join the chain of vicarious liability? Because that’s how you join the chain of vicarious liability….LOL

BenkaandKeith0
Level 10
United States

Cutting number of those who were supposed to help in not the only lately down part of Airbnb but their (dis)ability to solve any problems (it's challenging to make them even understand it) and their time frames for responding are insane. And so are their copy paste answers. The best advice: solve your problems as Airbnb surely won't. And yes, dumping this platform altogether seems to every day more of us the only acceptable solution 😞

@BenkaandKeith0 

 

While I agree that you have to watch your own back, and solve your own problems, since asking Airbnb to do so often makes your problems even worse, I'd argue that this isn't unique to Airbnb. They're all overloaded and detached. Some provide absolutely zero support, such as booking.com.

 

If you're in this business, set by our expectations realistically. It's ALL on you to A) avoid problems, and B) deal with them when they do occur.

 

Relying on support of any platform is like asking your neighbour's preteen kids to take care of the house for you.

 

Use Airbnb for what it's best at: bookings. Yes, sign up with VRBO, but I can assure you, Airbnb will book up your listings before VRBO has any chance. You can kill Airbnb, but suffer fewer bookings, yet still be stuck with brain dead support. 

 

 

Only speaking for myself...there is nothing I could have done, or can do. My renter paid in 2019, my renter stayed, my renter thoroughly enjoyed herself, my renter left a five star review and yet AirBnB is now 3 weeks late on their responsibility.

 

I have zero recourse other than to call every day and run the same lap around the track winding up no further to resolution despite listening to that song for 30-60 minutes.....

 

This isn't a renter issue, a bank issue, or my issue. AirBnB has had these funds for 20 months and cannot even tell me why I am not being paid. I don't expect anything in this world to be flawless, I just expect help getting the flaws resolved.

BenkaandKeith0
Level 10
United States

Elaine701 for us, personalty, is not about the full calendars, but hosting great people, the best we can get. We learned this can be achieved by increasing prices and service. Hosting over 3000 guests simply make us need the backup, support of the company in average once a year. And there is none. Zero. Unexciting. Yes, it was, years ago, when Airbnb still cared about the hosts. After over 7 years of hosting and 25 consecutive times being Airbnb super-host, we know this company inside out. Unfortunately, we still can not prevent all the problems and jet this once a year you may need them, they fail completely and totally providing any assistance. Yes, Booking is bad, that is why we dumped them years ago, but V.R.B.O. is surprisingly lately stepping their game up as Airbnb is in decline (at least in terms of treating the hosts). Airbnb lost 7% of their hosts in last year. We believe this is not a coincidence and COVID 19 can not be blamed for everything 😉

@BenkaandKeith0 

 

You sound similar to us. 

 

After years of a successful relationship with Airbnb, only to be shafted by them in the past few years, we went back and listed on VRBO again last year.

 

Aside from the higher fees and hidden costs VRBO imposes, we've so far had a grand total of ONE booking from them. And we heavily discounted our VRBO listing to attract bookings, to establish a few reviews in the interest of future bookings. Then we found out about the hidden fees..., so we adjusted prices back up to compensate. 

 

I attribute the lack of VRBO bookings largely to the fact that Airbnb, despite all its faults, will consistently book up our Villa long before VRBO has any chance. Airbnb simply has a commanding lead over all the others. 

 

Having said that, we're no longer under any illusions that Airbnb, or VRBO or anyone else can or is willing to offer much useful host support. Such programs are expensive to operate, and generate zero revenue for the platform. And besides, what are hosts going to do about it? Leave the platform for another equally self-serving one? 

 

The fact remains that no matter what platform, as a host, you bear the majority of the burden of the business. You do all the work, and are required to maintain high standards, and the costs of achieving that are all yours.

 

You bear the lion's share of risk, and mitigating that risk rests almost entirely with the host.

 

Guests have a pretty low bar to meet: basically, it's "don't do anything criminal", and that's pretty much all that's required of guests. The platform won't enforce much of anything against guests, but hosts can be punished for even minor offences, and sometimes even punished for guest offences. The risks to hosts are far higher. 

 

So, you have to be your own police. And by far the best cure for that is prevention. Vet your guests before they book. Scare them away if they exhibit risky profiles or behaviours.

 

And don't expect them to agree to compensation for any damages they cause, or receive any compensation under the faux "host guarantee". If you fail to scare them away, then demand a real, hefty security deposit. That usually either scares them away, or gives them a good reason to acutely avoid trashing your offering. In fact, they usually go overboard cleaning it up. They want that deposit back. 

 

We've accepted some very high risk groups, who were required to pay a security deposit, and they have consistently left the house in clean, orderly, and undamaged condition. All have received their deposit back, in full.

 

That never would have happened without a security deposit, because otherwise, there's no penalty. 

@Elaine701you nailed it, again. We can't agree more.

You are mentioning a security deposit. It's disturbing to us seeing than when the guest stelas pillow (an excellent quality and expensive one, too), we were reimbursed 50%. WTF?. Don't poor Assistance "specialists" understand that the guests expect finding and sleeping on the entire pillow, not only half of it? Their logic is beyond anyone with below average IQ.

How can we make people happy if the company constantly make us miserable?

And probably the most bothersome of it all is KNOWING that this is EXACTLY the same company that HAD superb service in the past. But has chosen to dump them all in name of $. Screw them all together! We have to believe there will be another great platform in action soon!

P.S. The performance of other platforms is heavily influenced by the region where you rent. USA is fortunately well covered by VRBO and this year we are booking 100% more with them then previous years. On the same nightly rate, the guest report VRBO being cheaper for them for about 10%.

Can you please clarify the mentioning of the hidden fees with VRBO? Thanks in advance and thanks for sharing your insightful response.

@BenkaandKeith0 I started with both A and V at the same time. I get about 75% of bookings on V, I think due to my target guest. I target large groups all travelling from out of area who stay for 5-7 days. That seems to be the V specialty where A seems to be small groups or couples who stay 1-3 nights and do not need a large house. Just my experience.

 

V is definitely more expensive to me as the host. They charge a larger service fee and then charge a CC fee and exchange fee on top of that. The exchange fee gets me as a lot of my guests are from over the border in Canada. V does not really advertise all the CC fees they tack onto the host, so I definitely consider them "hidden."

Elaine701
Level 10
Balearic Islands, Spain

@BenkaandKeith0 @Loring1 

 

It seems to be somewhat the reverse over here, although our listing is a whole Villa sleeping 8, so naturally, it's going to attract larger groups. We're also located on a popular tourist island, so there's that too. 

 

VRBO has never been a household name here, although they have bought up a lot of the smaller, localised booking outfits which were previously popular in certain regions. Still, VRBO isn't a household word, and the change from some of those previously favourite local booking platforms naturally is probably a little discomforting for previous patrons. I expect some may have started using Airbnb as a result. 

 

Airbnb has been around a lot longer, is very well known, has by far the largest catalogue, and has a dedicated following. Except perhaps for  England, where they tend to stick with British based outfits. But that's ok, since British guests account for only a fraction of tourism here. 

 

And yes, there's the higher VRBO commissions, plus the 3% payment processing, plus exchange fees, and the trip insurance thing (which nobody's ever explained and I can't find any information on VRBO website) , which all adds up. And I was never informed of any of this, I only found out when I received my one and only booking. I don't think "hidden" is a misleading term.

 

And to date, I've never ever received any reply from VRBO to any question I've ever asked through their message system. Never. The ticket just gets inexplicably closed. So, it's not that different from Airbnb in that regard. But at least I can be guaranteed a smarmy, canned, bot-based reply from Airbnb before they send me a link to some mildly related rule and close the ticket. 

 

Look, I'm only pointing out that as a host, you're really on your own, no matter what platform. And the sooner you adjust your expectations and operating style to that reality, wise up, use them for what they're good at, and cover your own backside, the sooner you'll be on a path to a more enjoyable, and hopefully, more successful experience in this business. It's working for us so far. 

@Elaine701  What’s worrying is even criminal activity seems to getting the pass with Airbnb now.  My rental was used to set up a mail fraud scheme where the “guest” scammed the government out of hundreds of thousands in pandemic relief. 

Even with a police report, numerous photos of our damages and doorbell video of him stealing our mail everyday,   Airbnb not only refused to address our damages they instead suspended me!  It’s beyond ridiculous that they treat people this way. 

Since posting my story i’ve been sent so many other bad experiences some

way worse then mine. One lady actually had her entire house robbed by the guest and actually walked in on them stealing the last of the possessions. She caught them red handed but they ran out the back and got away.  Airbnb still have not addressed her damages and she can’t rent the house. 

All the stories I’ve read have the same common denominator the “guest” are brand new to Airbnb with no history.  So the low bar for guest is lower then you think!  I now will never let anyone stay without some kind of Airbnb history.  

Elaine701
Level 10
Balearic Islands, Spain

@Laura4076 

 

Yes, that's it. Always beware of "no profile no history" guests. Or really, anyone that appears to be a bit "off". It's a sign. 

 

Ask them why they're coming, who they are, and verify many people...

 

...and don't "decline" them, scare them away if they seem dodgy. Make them walk away. There's another booking somewhere behind them. Just be patient.

 

And keep your prices at the top of your market for your class of accommodation. Cheapness invites cheapness. 

 

Good luck. 

such a great post and comments! --- absolutely true. ABB support makes issues into bad problems. I also left ABB because of their horrendous support. ABB pulls in so much revenue, so the guests expectations are high.

Omg, I have had that stupid "Follow Me" song in my head for days.  I've had to call Airbnb almost daily this past week due to wildfires in my area.  I absolutely DREAD that *&^%$* song!  As if dealing with Customer Service isn't bad enough!