Bad rating no reasons

Alain311
Level 3
Montreal, Canada

Bad rating no reasons

Hi everyone,  

 

I wanted to share with you my experience with one of my last guest, as I am so so so frustrated. She didn’t do anything bad but it's more her rating that came at a shock for me. I know there's nothing we can do about bad reviews but accept them and eventually leave a response. Although I wonder if responding might be more damaging or make a bad review more visible, whereas it could just disappear among others. 

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before that 1 night guest stay, I had these ratings (with 82 reviews) 

overall: 4.9* - cleanliness: 5* – accuracy:5* – communication:5* –check in: 5* - location: 4.8* - value 4.9* 

On overall, I had 80% of 5* and 20% of 4*(most 4 are when I started, I improved every details) (my worst was a 3* on communication and I take blame for it since it took me some time to reply to a previous guest). 

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The guest in question left me overall: 2* - cleanliness: 2* – accuracy:3* – communication:3* –check in: 3* - location: 4* - value 3* 

Not a huge drop since I only drop to 4.9 on all items except location wich remain at 4.8. All in all, I'm still with a high rating, but because it's my first 2* and because I just can't have explained it, it's beyond frustration. 

The review she left only mentioned "ok place for the price" and she didn’t describe the reason of her low rating next to the *. 

It's also very frustrating because the persons who stayed the night before and after left amazing reviews with 5* on all items. So I really can't understand what went wrong. 

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Between each guest, I deep clean, the bedroom, bathroom, shower, kitchen and living room, provide soft fresh and clean towels/bedlinens and I double check if everything is alright. Although I'm not a cleaning maniac I have high hygiene standards and because I also travel on airbnb I make sure my listing is how I would like to find one. 2 weeks ago, I made my spring cleaning, (as my mom was visiting from switzerland = high pressure) My place was spotless, the walls were even cleaned. She left the bedroom clean, didn’t use the rest of the apartment but the sink in the bathroom was left dirty with black make up.( not the end of the world to me, I can clan that) 

For accuracy my listing describes all the details and there are recent pictures of everything. I used everyone feedback to make it the most accurate possible. 

Commuinication, I replied to all her messages within the hour when it wasn't live answering. I even sent her a message with the exact address and details on how to find us, the website of a parking where she can leave her car and screen shots on how to access it. 

I asked her several time her estimate arrival time. For security reasons I don’t install a code or Bluetooth key, but I welcome my guest from 2pm, as I work from home I can. But I just need to know a 1 hour frame estimate arrival time, so I can do other things than just waiting. At 2.30 pm on check in day she finally said she would arrive within the hour. She arrived 2 hours after...but who's counting. 

 

At the moment of her arrival, I felt a bad vide coming from her, she was polite yet unfriendly and couldn't send a worse energy. As I believe anyone could have had a bad day or being tired of travelling, I welcomed her the same way as I welcome anyone, offered her a drink which she declined, showed her bedroom and left her space without insisting on human contact. 

She asked me about the street regulation for her car, I politely informed her that only local resident are allowed and she might receive a fine...gave her again the name of the cheap public parking where she can safely park, (as mentioned in a previous message and in my listing description), the bitc** face she gave me so ridiculous... Then she came back asking for an iron, my listing description doesn’t mention this as available but I happened to have just bought one that doesn’t work. So I said mine was broken. Her face was sooo decomposed... for an iron I never pretended to have or offer... (I will seriously buy another one fast to avoid this kind of faces) 

 

Then she complained that it was raining outside and she was "forced" to buy an umbrella in order to avoid becoming sick... She could have asked me one because that’s something I had... She was super pissed and I had no idea what to say so I just told her that the next day forecasts were better. I have teas available but I wasn’t feeling like offering it to someone treating me like a dog. I just stayed polite and left. Also, the weather is not really something I control, it's not raining inside and before traveling (by car) she has the right to check the weather forecasts.  

So, she was just staying one night and my next guest arrived the next morning at 9.30 just to leave her luggage before check-in. The current guest was awake,  I was able to hear her listing to loud videos. My next guest asked to quickly use the bathroom, when the current one tried to go, (using the bathrobe I provided). When I said it was busy she gave me again that bit*** look. 

At this moment I was just so happy that she would leave within a few hours and I could have then a wonderful and friendly guest. 

Later I asked her if she slept well, she just nodded a yes and didn’t even care talking, she left later not touching the breakfast I prepared for her. Gave me a cold "thanks for your hospitality" and left. 

 

I knew the review wouldn't be a 5*, so I decided to wait a few days before posting mine and receiving another better review (which was wonderful and 5*) 

I didn’t left a review saying how high maintenance she was, I just mentioned she left the bedroom clean, (but to me when I don’t say I recommend guest , it's my nice way to mean that I don't) 

And then I discovered the 2 stars! Yayyy 

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Writing this I realize my story might sound silly comparing to some nightmares people have experienced, I'm still a 4.9 but writing it helps getting over the frustration and I would still love your feedback with what I should or could do. i/m writing a lot for something very little in the end. I just need to vent a little 🙂

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I wanted to message her to ask what went wrong, what was not up to her standard, and what not clean, what was not communicated properly and what was not accurate in order to make a better experience for my next guests. 

I believe she rated me badly because she couldn’t park in the street, couldn't use an iron, ... the rain and an arriving guest used the (shared) bathroom of the apartment. Probably she didn’t like me for some reasons...which has never happened yet but there's a first to everything, I also wondered if it's because my husband and I are a same sex couple, or maybe because he's originally from a muslim country. I noticed she was coming from a very catholic and poor country, so I thought maybe she's not comfortable with that... but again our profile describes it.. This said I can't say if this is the reason I wont make any presumption... I just can't find any valid reasons...but it's clear that she didn’t read the listing description, maybe she didn't understood it was a single bedroom inside my apartment and not a private one. (I only have 1 airbnb guest room in my apartment btw) 

I also wrote airbnb to tell them how surprised I was with that rating and asked them if they would get in touch with her to ask directly what went wrong. Maybe it's better if it comes from a neutral person than me. I haven't received a response yet from airbnb support. 

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I still don’t know if I should leave a response to her review, it’s a very short one, besides the stars not the worst and it should disappear among the next ones. 

 

I will include in my welcome message something like " if anything is not up to your standards, not working or if you need anything please let me know and I'll be happy to help" (any suggestions guys?should I also say it when I meet the guests?) 

 

I also wonder if airbnb should not make it mandatory to explain in details what went wrong when leaving a rating bellow 4 (or even 5?) guests and hosts both have the possibility to do that, but its only optional, I'm wondering if a bad rating (both for hosts and guests) should maybe be motivated with a detailed explanation to be completed. What do you think? 

 

And lastly, should I leave a bad review, just because I have a bad vibe with a guest, even if nothing really bad happens during the stay? In her case when I was writing my review I still wondered if she might have just had a bad day for external cause than my place. I left 1* for communication, but the rest was 4 to 5, but I still clicked no on the would you recommend this guest question. I just recommended her to communicate earlier her ETA on the private box. But now I wonder if I should not just drop everything I can think off on the public reviews if I have someone similar. 

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Catherine827
Level 10
Northern Territory, Australia

Hi @Alain311. So far, the consensus is to give this guest no further thought. You can’t alter or change the situation as it’s gone. It’s now in the past and you are having lovely reviews and guests to make up for her sad and difficult persona. If the room was left clean, then breathe, move forward.

 

You will be wiser when confronted by any similar types. 

🙂

Cathie

Alain311
Level 3
Montreal, Canada

Thank you everyone for your kind messages 🙂

 

I still dont know if I should or should not leave a response, I always felt like leaving a response might show me a somone who can't take any critics and scare people away. here's what I thought I'd reply (without entering in the details of her behavour because they sound too silly for me to be nagging about it). let me know if you think I should change something, make it shorter or anything. thanks!

 

''We are sorry to hear our place was just "ok for the price". Hosting is something we take very seriously, we want to make sure our guests have a great experience and are always happy to accommodate their needs the best we can. The guests who stayed the night before and after you were both very pleased which makes it difficult for us to understand what went wrong for you. 

For your future reservations we invite you to read the listing descriptions and ask hosts all the questions you need to better understand what services are available or not, only book places that can accommodate your specific needs and standards in order to have your expectations met. Airbnb Plus, Private apartment or Hotels might be a better fit for you.'' 

@Alain311    Sounds quite professional to me. And if other potential guests read that when looking at reviews for your place, it might encourage them to also thoroughly read the listing description. 

thanks 🙂 yes it was intended for somone who see that response to aslo check the profile fully before booking.  Still some people never read everything but **bleep** happens I guess 🙂 anyway thanks for your support, really apreciated 

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

I can sympathize with you. I recently had a guest give me a 2 star because she wanted to stay two or more weeks longer at a ridiculous low price. I was 4.7 stars guest booked for 29 days, 25 days into her stay she asked to stay longer I gave her a price of $35/night and she got mad trashed me so bad on her public review, I thought about giving up hosting on Airbnb, only because there is no recourse a host can take. We must be professional at all times. 

Now a get another guest who surprises the hell out of  me by stating that my brand new carpet is dirty and non-leaking toilet is leaking. But I like the way he did not mention how he broke the shower in my clawfoot tub letting water run every where in the bathroom. 

 

 

@Joy67, so disappointing for you... hope your luck improves soon!  

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

 

Susie thank you. I sure hope so too.

Yea I saw her review. I think your usual price is quite fair for what you offer, but your guest profile is so empty, I woul'nt even have hosted her. havent you left a review?

 

this said she mentioned you increased the price (whilst you actually gave a discount) I know airbnb removes review that says lies. Maybe you can try reaching airbnb and ask if what she said violates the review policy. we never know 🙂

If you go with just this, it is still a killer response:

 

"For your future reservations we encourage you to read the listing descriptions and ask hosts all the questions you need to better understand what services are indeed available or are not, so you only book places that can accommodate your specific needs  in order to have your expectations met. Hotels might be a better fit for you.'' 

 

(I couldn't helped to add a couple of words. 😉

 

 

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

Fred thanks for this I will use it. The only thing is you don't know when they will be leaving negative reviews. Especially when you ask how was things and they respond positively. 

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

Alain

 

I did contact airbnb yesterday about the second guest, andmentioned the first guest. Airbnb stated they will look into the reviews. 

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

Alain

I did not leave her a review, because it would've been 2's and 3's. They seemed to be really nice people. We had great conversations about my place and people who work in the hospitality industry, which she worked. Here is what my review of hers would've been: 2 would have been for the communication and following instructions. 3 for leaving the place halfway decent, not enough to be suspect, just rearranged furniture, lights on, dishes in rack. So I just let it go. 

Joy67
Level 3
New York, United States

Alain,

 

I would take out "The guests who stayed the night before and after you were both very pleased which makes it difficult for us to understand what went wrong for you."  this sounds to subjective and implicative.

Also, I would: remove "for your" and just say For Future.... remove "invite you" replace with encourage guests to kindly read the host's property descriptions making certain the home/place accomodates his/her specific needs and standards in order to have your expectations suitably met. Understanding what services are available and asking the hosts questions helps in assuring your contentment.  thenyou can add the rest about the hotel accommodation

 

Remember we must always be subjective and professional. Ugh!!!!

Jo301
Level 1
Toronto, Canada

As a host, I'd appreciate if you reviewed her accordingly. I always check reviews before accepting a request and I think it's important to know these things when letting these people enter your home.

I honestly though she was difficult because she had a bad day, or was tired of driving . Since it was just 1 night and she didnt broke any rules I thought it would stop there. It's not my intention to ruin somone ability to travel based on just a few hours of interaction. And everything my review says is correct..she left the bedroom clean... I just dont say I recommend her at the end (wich most hosts do when they recommend somone) and left her a 3 star.

 

Other hosts can see the rating a guest is and how many hosts are recommending the guest. in her case after me it dropped to 50%. I will be more villigent and only accept people recommended by ALL the previous hosts. ( I already made the setting to only accept direct booking from host recommended, but if she was able to book altough she wasn't recommended by everyone it means others can too...)

 

And from now on I will trust my guts if I have a feelling someting is wrong, it probably is.