Can my insurance be cancelled by the insurer?

Mike43
Level 3
United States

Can my insurance be cancelled by the insurer?

My insurer told me they would cancel my home owners insurance if I rented rooms through Airbnb, since it was in violation of my contract. So I'm dropping out of Airbnb for the short term while  I review insurance alternatives. 

 

This made me wonder how many hosts are vulnerable to a pretty nasty surprise should they ever need to make an insurance claim. Suppose my house had caught fire, for example. The insurance company, had they uncovered evidence of me renting through Airbnb, could have denied my claim, regardless if it was a result of my renters or faulty wiring. If the fire had nothing to do with the renters, it seems unlikely Airbnb insurance would cover it either. 

 

Is this correct? Seems like a major risk many hosts are unaware of if it is true. 

 

As interesting side note, the insurer said Airbnb basically turns the house into a hotel. However, renting out a room on my own to two or less people is fine, regardless of whether it is long or short term. It is Airbnb that is the main issue for the insurance underwriter. 

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"Airbnb's insurance against damage by renters is not going to help them unless it's renter caused damage and I can image there will be a lot of hurdles to prove the renter and not the host did it. "

 

Ironically when you file in a claim in CA Crawford Ins. who handles CA claims states over and over " if you didn't do the damage they won't pay .  They won't pay if the guest does the damage, only if you do.  No kidding.  Ultimately it's up to Airbnb.

 

@Alison1

 

The Host Guarantee is not Insurance, a very important distinction.

 

You got the people the wrong way around but yes it is for Guest caused damage.

 

 

 

David

The HPI , Host Protection Insurance is one policy, the Host Guarantee is a guarantee , as the names says.

 

But the party line was as stated by someone else on the thread , " Crawford says if you the host didn't do the damage they won't cover it ", which is why I responded  that ultimately it 's up to Airbnb. 

 

I know. Sounds crazy.  Is crazy.

 

 

So we are talking about the liability Insurance so yes the Host would need amongst other things legally to be liable for the damage caused.

 

Crawford's are Loss Adjusters, true that they will investigate and report but I would think it would be very rare that their recommendation was not respected.

David

Hi Julie, 

In seaching to resolve me airbnb insurance issue I came upon your article a while ago.  I call Liberty Mutual and talked to a them but they never got back to me.  I think you are saying you have to be persistent.  Should I keep calling?

 

I only rent my guest room five or six nights a month so it is not a very lucrative endevor.    I have had a couple of quotes from another agency in the area of $1,700.   This would be about a thousand dollars over my current house policy and take a good bit out of my profits.  Did you find the Liberty Mutual policy reasonable?

 

Thanks 

Kathleen 

 

 

I got a online home sharing endorsement thru NC Farm Bureau it was less than $5

 

Gerry-And-Rashid0
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

I think most hosts are aware of the issue of insurance, and either ignore it, or find an insurer what will cover you for AirBnB hosting. Insurers tend to be fairly standard in their policies - so it's usually a specialist insurer. It's not unlike if you are ill, you will find that a standard insurer may want to increase your premium - bizzarely, a specialist health insurer may actually be cheaper!

Cari3
Level 10
Vancouver, WA

I've just been declined by Travellers Insurance when applying because of having an Airbnb rental. They will only insure me if I apply for commercial insurance, but as my property isn't zoned commercial I'm not sure how that would work and I can' imagine the cost of going 'commercial.' I will try State Farm and Liberty Mutual - any others worth trying?  Also wondering if it isn't worth asking Airbnb as an overarching enterprise to approach a few home insurers on our behalf.  After all, with the incredible growth of Airbnb any insurer who takes on the combined risk of many Airbnb'ers could do a substantial amount of business and spread it's risk if many of us moved our insurance to them.  My biggest concern is the liability of someone getting hurt.  You can take all the precautions you like, but if someone trips and falls and injures themselves where does that leave you?

Allstate now has a very inexspensive HostAdvantage product.  My existing insurance company was about to cancel my policy and insist I spend THREE TIMES more on a commercial policy.  The Allstate HostAdvantage add on is less than 150.00 per year.  Thank You Allstate!!!  I host in the state of Maine.   Hope this helps,  Rob 

Did you keep your existing insurance company or switch completely to Allstate in order to add the HostAdvantage for your Airbnb?  Thank you!

Rob89
Level 2
Gorham, ME

We recently received a notice from our insurance company stating that if a property is shared or rented out part time  that our existing policy would be canceled!.   I called several insurance agencies and was given a commercial policy quaote for THREE TIMES our original homeowners policy .... We were close to deciding to pull our listing from Airbnb when we discovered that Allstate is offering a very inexpensive product.  Long story short - We are now insured through Allstate at our regular homeowner rate and pay a small add on fee for the HostAdvantage package.  Without the discovery of this product we would have strongly considered de-listing our property.  I wish Airbnb would send this info along to everyone! 

 

This info from the chicagotribune.com 

Allstate will try home-sharing in Illinois and five other states starting in mid-August. No, the property insurer won't rent out its Northbrook campus or other offices. Rather it's capitalizing on the growing popularity of companies like Airbnb and HomeAway.

Allstate said its new product, called HostAdvantage, could better protect policyholders renting out their homes for brief periods in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, Tennessee and Utah.

HostAdvantage, which can be added to an existing policy for about $50 a year, specifically helps fill some protection gaps that might exist in homeowners' coverage when policyholders who occasionally rent out homes face unexpected out-of-pocket expenses for personal property, such as when furniture is destroyed or electronics stolen.

Generally, home insurance is pretty broad when covering the house itself, so many losses that might occur during an occasional rental could be covered, Allstate said. But when it comes to personal property, homeowners might face a gap.

@Rob89

May this be successful for them and may the market take notice! Insurance companies can make a lot of money on selling policies!

Emily140
Level 10
St Helena, CA

A cautionary tale ---

I'm an example of lesson learned the hard way.  I thought I would try out AirBnb a couple times.  Had no idea the quagmire of insurance I had stepped into!  Maybe 10 years ago, I had rented my guesthouse for 3-8 months at a time and in those days I added a "landlord policy" with State Farm, but this year when I did my first AirBnb rental I didn't think to call my insurance company because (1) I wasn't committing to the idea, was just trying it out, I screened folks by their profiles and ability to articulate the purpose of their trip, and (2) a friend told me that AirBnb automatically provides landlord liability coverage!  Perfect.   I rented a total of 13 nights to two guests this year.  Then came the phenomenal winter storms in California; a ~200-year old Douglas Fir, maybe 150-200' tall was literally split by the once-in-a-lifetime high winds after the last storm, and down it came in spectacular fashion, right alongside my cute 100-year old cottage.  Nobody was inside at the time.  Just me here.  I had expensive insurance from Travelers, through a local broker.  Super pleased with myself I had decent limits and that I had paid extra for the "current-building-code" add-on in case any damage was structural, I did what few of us ever do who purchase insurance, I called it in, expecting this to be an undeniable covered event.  Didn't read my policy carefully enough.  We're talking about a big loss here, probably $5k-$10k just to remove the tree, then there's some damage to the cottage where the trunk scraped past it on the way down.  And, I have plenty of evidence that I kept my trees trimmed, and a recent clear fire inspection showing no dead branches over the roof.  Model insurance customer.

 

Travelers forces you to purchase a very high amount of "loss of use" coverage, so when the "catastophe team" adjustor came out, I asked this (young person from out of state, not familiar with construction nor CA building codes, recently transferred from the auto insurance division who could not help AT ALL in valuing the damages/loss to the structure), "How do you guys value the loss of use?"  My question should have stopped there.  But no, I said something like "Can we use the rate that I rented for when I rented the place through AirBnb?"  Speaking of spectacular, what a spectacular dumb move on my part.  I'm never going to lie to my insurance company, so, if they had asked, "Have you ever rented this out?" I would have answered yes, but he did not ask.  Absolute proof, in my opinion, that I had NO IDEA that two prior rentals had violated some small print in my plan; I myself uttered the fateful words "AirBnb"...  TRULY no idea this was a problem.  Before he left, this out-of-state "catastrophe team" adjustor re-assured me everything seemed fine and said he was passing me onto a local adjustor who would come out asap to value the damage and he encouraged me to go ahead and start work on the place, gave me specific instructions for managing the tree work and documenting the number of workers and equipment used to meet their claim requirements.  I don't think he realized there was a problem either.  Or if he did, quite a good actor...  He said he couldn't confirm for sure my coverage for all of the damage, "since I need to assign you to the appropriate person, but I don't see any problem."  Ha!  Do not fall for this.  Do not believe ANYTHING they say until they give you a settlement offer.  I thought "appropriate person" meant the new, local adjustor.  Nope, it meant the "legal department."  No adjustor ever came, the promised calls never happened; instead, I received a call about a week later (long after new adjustor was promised), saying I was being investigated by their legal department....  Totally blindsided that Travelers would seize upon this completely unrelated information to deny my otherwise valid claim.

 

Travelers appears quite self-righteous in denying all my benefits and rights under my paid-in-full contract because they don't cover "other structures" that are "held for rental."  I'm fighting this, planning to get an attorney.  In my opinion, my guesthouse is my space and not "held for rental."  I would never rent it out full-time.  I would never move my furniture out and allow someone to put theirs in and live their life in my guesthouse.  I have turned down friends who begged me to rent it to them.  People who are plenty pissed off at me for that.  Sorry, not going to happen.  I want my furniture, my control, my use for my friends and family when I need/want it.  But, when convenient for me, for people who meet my criteria, for people who can articulate their reason for traveling here, who have good reviews from other hosts, I enjoy sharing the space short-term, and investing the funds in maintenance and improvements. 

I am not stupid, I did not expect my homeowners policy to cover me for renter-caused damage or a renter claim against me; I am aware I don't have "Landlord liability" through Travelers, but denying a fallen-tree damage loss because TWO renters for 13 nights total before this unavoidable event???  That's insane. 

 

So then I called my broker - there's another bit of advice, never call in your own claim! Always call your broker first even if, as in my case, you are 99% sure they don't know your name and don't have your interests at heart.  My broker gave me a bit of a lecture about how rental property has special added risk of property damage that the insurer can't be expected to cover because the homeowner is not in control of the property.  Nonsense.  Not only does AirBnb offer liability insurance and host protection for property damage during an AirBnb rental, the AirBnb arrangement permits you (1) to set house rules and remove anyone who doesn't meet them, (2) to control the furnishings, (3) to control the maintenance schedule, (4) to choose your renters, (5) to deny anyone you think irresponsible, (6) to inspect the property before and immediately after short-term rentals and (7) to keep a key and enter during the rental if you have reason to believe something dangerous is going on.... in short, you retain FAR more control of your space than if you rented out a structure full-time to a "tenant." 

 

The trouble, I am starting to see, is the old world insurance industry categorizes property as "Home," or "Rental" or "Commercial" and cannot adapt to a modern world and provide reasonable and flexible options due to (1) their insatiable greed, and (2) myriad arcane regulations that define what is and isn't a rental or tenant and all this doesn't accommodate a modern evolving concept of making better use of existing space by SHARING it through a self-vetting community of travelers, rather than building new hotels....

 

I'm impressed Allstate has a program - I wish it existed in California.

Not only does AirBnb offer liability insurance and host protection for property damage during an AirBnb rental, the AirBnb arrangement permits you (1) to set house rules and remove anyone who doesn't meet them, (2) to control the furnishings, (3) to control the maintenance schedule, (4) to choose your renters, (5) to deny anyone you think irresponsible, (6) to inspect the property before and immediately after short-term rentals and (7) to keep a key and enter during the rental if you have reason to believe something dangerous is going on.... in short, you retain FAR more control of your space than if you rented out a structure full-time to a "tenant." 

 

This does worry me, the Liability Insurance, well yet to see a case so do not know, the Host Guarantee you will see lots of issues here and certainly not something you can rely upon.

 

There is no getting away from the fact that renting short term is a high risk business, there are plent of horror stories, here is one published today:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/mar/10/airbnb-london-rental-used-for-all-night-party

David

True there is some risk.  Thanks for the warning on Host Guarantee.

 

If I was in charge of insurance product development, I would have a series of questions for hosts, one of which would be whther the host remains on the property during the guest stay.  In my case, I do.  I'm a control freak.  I give people their privacy but I'm 30' away in my house and I know there are no parties going down.