My apartment was thrashed. Pls advice

Adrian36
Level 2
Singapore

My apartment was thrashed. Pls advice

Hi,
My first Airbnb experience as a host occurred yesterday when I hosted my first booking. They reported 6 guests but I believe there were more than 6. I wanted the guests to have a good experience & I didn't want to be too strict.

However, when I went to clean up after they left, I realized they destroyed one of my bedroom door saying they were locked out. They clearly tried to force themselves into the room. They claimed the lock was faulty! It was working fine before they checked in and they are the first guests! It's brand new, they are the first people to live in it.
In addition, they left the whole apartment very dirty by not throwing out thrash, drawing on the wall, made a hole in the wall, maxed out my wifi 4G quota (again they are the first!), left the aircon & lights on, didn't lock the place up before they leave! They clearly did not care about my house rules and definitely didn't treat it like their own home!
I am very distraught over this experience and was wondering if anyone can give me some advice of what to do? Or what can Airbnb help with?
I took many photos of what state they left the apartment in.
Thanks
12 Replies 12
Sara2
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

Ask resolution centre but you need to be quick with photos and quotes for damage

the cleaning is down to you with a cleaning fee you need to know if there are more than six as you won't be covered for unregistered guests

you need to be precise about wifi usage in your listing

bad luck but the next guests will be nice

hope things get better

Thanks Sara, I have taken photos and will get a quotation for the fixing of the damages.  


As they were my first booking, I didnt include cleaning, but will do so going forward. Same for wifi, I only included it because I was thinking for guests convenience. I prob need to be careful of such free services.

 

 

Amaris0
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

 

 

Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this and your first experience as well! I'm assuming it was either Tropez@Danga Bay - Spacious 2BR Apt or  possibly Tropez@Danga Bay - Spacious 3BR Apt which allows events. 

 

Strange things happen so for argument sake if we are to say the locks miraculously jammed, did they actually attempt to contact you regarding this problem or did they just go ahead and force open the door regardless of the damage? Have they explained how exactly the locks were faulty e.g., the handle fell off, couldn’t turn the key in the lock etc. and does it match the nature of the damage caused to the door?

 

Re the trash, some people are just dirty and there is not much you can do about such people especially after they have checked out other than mention it in their review.

 

Drawing on the wall and a hole in the wall, now that is not normal behaviour. In fact this behaviour, although not evidence, supports the fact that there was nothing wrong with the door lock but they are just destructive people and for whatever reason they damaged the door; if you think about it, what was their excuse for a drawing or a hole in the wall?

 

Aircon and lights again you can mention this in the review but not much else you can do. As you say they clearly disregarded your house rules and have no consideration for people's belongings. Future host will be able to read your review and although no direct comfort for you, they will find it harder to book paces in future.

 

Lock up - it's fortunate the property was not accessed after they checked out and nothing was stolen; this is also something you can mention in the review.

 

Wifi - your listing offers 'Internet (High Speed Wifi)' but does not suggest a limit so again not much you can do now about this. For future perhaps you can limit wifi data or if not possible to do so then incorporate a little more into the daily rate to cover this. There is the option to add extra charges via the resolution centre which the guest will have to agree to but since you won’t know how much data they have used until they have checked out in order to add applicable charges, there is no guarantee that they will accept them so best to do it upfront.

As you stand, I would suggest you contact Airbnb ASAP to report the damage, submit the evidence and make a claim against their security deposit, You have 48 hours from when the guest checks out to put in a claim so don't delay. Perhaps they might feel a bit of a pinch when they have to pay for their damages out of their deposit.  - https://www.airbnb.co.uk/help/article/264/how-do-i-make-a-claim-on-the-security-deposit

 

Wish you all the best in resolving this matter,

 

Ama

 

I am reading many negative things about Airbnb and how they solve these problems. So I am ALWAYS present at check out, no matter what time. If anything is broken or missing, they will be asked to pay on the spot. If they refuse, the police will be involved. I don't have any confidence in Airbnb solving the problem. And a $100 deposit is not doing me any good if they break $1.000 worth of stuff.

 

And at check-in I make sure I get a copy of their passport or ID-card, so I that I can involve the police, if need to. So far in my 200+ bookings I haven't had the need to involve the police yet, but I have had to fight the guests to cover damages a couple of times. Normally small amount, the biggest damage so far, have been around $400.

 

In your case, you will have to involve Airbnb and hope for the best. Document everything you can. Pictures of damages and bills for repairs.

 

Restrictions on WiFi and electricity you will have to put into the house rules and enforce it at check-out. I include 100 kWh per day for my house, which is more than ebough for normal use, and charge them if they exceed this, which most people understand. But if you are not present at check-in and check-out, it is not easy to enforce these rules.

Amaris0
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

You raise some good points in particular where possible to personally oversee guest check-in/out.

 

However the ability to enforce some of the other points depend on the country so for instance, I'm in England, the damage described by Adrian is civil and therefore the police can't really do anything about it. Even if you as host attempts to prevent the guest from leaving, the police can attend if the situation escalates and there is potential/ or actual violence or disturbance in public but they can't stop the guest from leaving or force them to pay for anything and you won't be able stop the guest leaving either.

 

As you mentioned, It’s always a good idea to be clear in the rules/ description and detailing restrictions is brillian., However you have to be able to enforce them otherwise you might be closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Yes you can add additional charges via the resolution centre but the guest has to accept these charges in order for Airbnb to charge the extra money to them. You need to factor in that the guest might dispute these additional charges in which case you need to have evidence to approach Airbnb to put in a claim for the difference. So if you are going to tell a guest the max internet allowance they have for a day is 1G for example, you have to provide a way of them knowing when they have reached 1G and this could act as your evidence to ask for extra payment but you can’t just set rules that can’t be monitored.

 

Also, remember that Airbnb policy prohibits cash transactions so you can’t ask the guest to give you the difference before they leave in cash. So although not always possible, it is best where you can to factor all expenses into your daily rate. On the whole most guest will be considerate but you will get the few like Adrian unfortunately got, where you have to call on the security deposit and hope you get it. I’ve personally only put in one claim with lots of evidence, quotes form a couple tradesmen and online shop links showing the price of the items being replaced in and it was approved within a couple of hours

 

 

 

Hi Amaris,

 

in regards to your claims experience, was it higher than the security deposit? if not, is it possible to get a claim higher if the damages costs more than the security deposit?

 

I read on AirBnb that there is a AirBnB Host Gurantee payment? But I need to lodge a police report for this?

Kris, thanks for your suggestion on being physically present and enforcing such limits.  This would be something I will include going forward. 

 

Do you know if damages would be fully covered even though the security deposit is not enough? Also where can find out how much security deposit I requested for for this booking? I cant seem to find it.

Hi Amaris,

Thanks for your response. Thanks for pointing out, I have fixed it to not allow events.

 

They tried calling me at 1230am but I was already asleep. However my agent who manages my apartment while I am away, responded to their message 15mins after 1245am as they contacte her too.  They didnt reply and no further response from them after.  I only got a call from the tenant the next day at 1pm that they said my lock of the 2nd Bedroom was faulty and they had to get a locksmith to come in at mid-night to open it. Firstly, I do not believe it was faulty (its a brand new apartment, they are the first people to live in it), secondly, after we inspected when they checked out, the door was cracked and the wall behind had a hole, showing that they must have used force to open the door open. The issue here is that they have no right to break private property on their own will, and they had not even inform us they had to do it before hand. I asked them for a receipt for the locksmith and they couldnt produce immediately. 

 

In fact, I confronted them after via messaging, and they kept saying it was my door which was faulty hence they had to break in. Said they had kids who had to sleep (at past midnight!) so it was urgent for them to break in. Mind you the booking was for 6 people, so apart from the queenbed that was locked in the 2nd br, there is another 2 queensize bed and 2 sofa beds for use, sufficient for 6ppl. I am so angry as they are now pushing the blame to me.  I said the cost of fixing the damage has to be paid by them and they said its not fair that they have to pay for the initial damaged door in the first place.  I am not sure how to deal with such irresponsible people! Please help if you have any advice!

 

Re cleanilness, is there a limit to how dirty a place is before its considered too much? I mean if a guest came and totally had food all over the floor and drinks spilt on carpets and floors and left the place that way after checking out, its ok?  Even if you included cleaning fees, its for average cleaning right? In my case, the cleaner which previously estimated a cleaning time of 2-32-3hours to clean my 3br apartment, said she needed to come back the next day to complete the cleaning, meaning I pay more than double the cleaning fees!

 

In terms of stolen items, what happens if something was actually stolen? Just worried next time something like that may happen. 

 

Yes I will definitely report to the AirBnB resolution centre, but will wait till I get the damages quotation. I have already taken photos for proof of what the state of the place was and the damage of the door&lock.  Btw, how do you check the security deposit they have? And what if the security deposit is not enough for the cost of repairs?

 

What bad luck!

Amaris0
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

 

OK, I'll start with the most urgent point – CONTACT AIRBNB ASAP to report the damages so you can claim against their deposit. You have 48 hours only from check out to use this option; something is better than nothing! You can always give estimate sand add a note that actual quotes will be submitted shortly and you must submit these quotes in the next day or so also

 

Your security deposit as I can see on your listing is £87 (I see it in my currency GBP). Unless you have added or altered this amount after the guests booking was confirmed, then this is the max security deposit that would apply to them subject to them accepting the charges or Airbnb stepping in to make a decision in your favour. We hope they will find in your favour.

 

If the repairs eventually required are more than your security deposit (£87) then you can submit an application for Host Guarantee assistance which Airbnb will assess along with all the evidence, quotes and the guests side of the story as well in order to determine if to award you an additional amount over and about the security deposit. you have to apply for this 14 days from the guest’s check out, or before the next guest checks in, whichever is earlier so time is of the essence for you and also to minimise disruption for future bookings; although not definite, they could require sight of the damages in the property prior to anyone else checking in, not that you would let anyone check in with all those issues. You only have to report the damages to the police if your claim is over $300USD but it would probably give your case more weight if you could get such a police reference even if less than £300USD.

 

Re the locks, they make a strong argument regarding their concern for the safety of the kids asleep in the locked room hence the broke the locks; there could say there might not have been any obvious danger but being in a strange home they panicked and had to gain access.

I wonder why they got the locksmith in 30 minutes prior to attempting to contact you or the managing agent. They didn't know you wouldn't respond straight away and one of you might have had spare keys. Also they are unable to provide a receipt or confirm who the locksmith it in order to request a copy of the receipt and substantiate their story that the lock was indeed faulty and the kids were sleeping in the room when he/she broke open the door. Something doesn’t sit right here! That said, why would they call you and your agent in the middle of the night if there was not fault unless they are very crafty and wanted to cover their backs.

 

Something doesn't sit right; that said there might have been a fault otherwise why would they be calling you in the middle of the night, unless they were just trying to cover their backs after damaging your door. I suggest you contact them again and insist in the locksmiths details in order that you ca check out their story. I might have been inclined to believe them if they didn’t create all the other havoc.

 

Re cleanliness, if it is more messy than damage than you’ve just got to bear the cost. You can monitor it and if you feel your cleaner on the whole takes longer than the estimated 2-3 hours, you might consider increasing your cleaning fee. However if there is damage or you require specialist service to clean the place e.g., if there's a stain on the rug that requires a professional clean or maybe you need to dispose of the linen or towels because of the state of them then you can take pictures and send this to Airbnb as party of your claim against their deposit. Otherwise, yes it may take longer to clean but you just got to absorb that one.

If an item was stolen as a result of the guests negligence and you can proof so, you could ask the guest to pay for it but would depend on the cost. Most guest have a conscience and will try to rectify any wrong they have done if possible, it’s hard to speculate as each case would be assessed on its full details. If you are concerned and rightly so after these last guests, then ensure you cover vital points in your rules/ description like the absolute necessity to ensure all doors and windows are locked/ alarms set if applicable. Maybe also have a check list of item sot go through with guest at check in as such. If something were to happen, then you would have more grounds to stand and can point back to the written rules.  

My claim was just under my security set deposit amount as I just had to change a couple of locks because the guest mistakenly took the keys back home with her.

 

Another thing that is as important as the clock ticking against you now, is that all your communication with these guests has to be done on the Airbnb messaging platform; Airbnb will not accept any text messages or e-mails to your personal mail as evidence. I would suggest that if you have communicated via text/ whatsapp or other e-mail, that you reiterate all that information straight away to the guests via the Airbnb inbox and just add them a note explaining why you are resending these messages.

 

You really need all the evidence you can get for you claim as it sound like your security might not be sufficient.

Ama

 

 

 

 

 

Paul0
Level 10
Brunswick, Australia

Hi @Adrian36,

 

Sorry to hear you had such a horrible first experience. Did you seek any guidance before you started hosting?

 

Anyway, just in case you're not sure where to look for resolutions.

 

https://www.airbnb.com/resolutions

 

They'll assign a case manager who'll do their best to help out. Make sure you stay on top of your case and call them if necessary.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

PS - Please don't post your problem twice on Community, once is enough.

 

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Hi Paul,

thanks for your response and advice. Intend to make the resolution case tomorrow after I get the repairman quotation.  I have confronted the guest and they are putting the blame on me for my door being faulty in the first place. They are coming with all kid of excuses and not saying why they didnt inform us about breaking the door or the emergency of it. I reckon they must be drunk or something to do something like that.


Sorry I didnt mean to post twice, I thought the initial post didnt go through at first.

Paul0
Level 10
Brunswick, Australia

All good mate. Make sure you get the Resolution process kicked off ASAP, you typically only have 48 hours since they've left to really move things forward.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

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