PLEASE HELP! AirBnb Ridiculous Extenuating Circumstance Policy - Super Host Here - FRAUD!

Eric-and-Brooke0
Level 4
Saint Petersburg, FL

PLEASE HELP! AirBnb Ridiculous Extenuating Circumstance Policy - Super Host Here - FRAUD!

Hey everyone!  We are trying to reach out to other hosts to help us with a situation we are currently dealing with.  We are Super Hosts and have a strict cancellation policy in place due to several instances in the past where guests have canceled last minute and we were not able to re-book those dates.  We are consistently 95% booked all year round, hence the strict cancellation policy.  We had a guest book $1450 worth of dates but then cancel well beyond our strict cancellation window.  The guest was refunded half of the reservation per our strict cancelation policy.  He then reached out to me asking for a full refund.  I told him that I would consider this request IF we were able to re-book those dates with other guests.  The dates that he originally booked were the only open dates over a 3 month span and we were not able to re-book due to it being a last minute cancellation. So instead of being out $1450, we were out $725.  The guest still requested we give him the remaining refund because he had to cancel this reservation because a continuous education class he was going to attend was cancelled.  I appologized to the guest, but told him that I think it is fair that we split the difference because I was unable to book these dates, and was still ultimately losing money because of his cancellation.  The guest then escalated the case to Airbnb.  

 

I received a phone call almost 2 months after this reservation from an Airbnb representative stating the guest is still requesting the full refund.  I stated that this was almost 2 months ago and had no idea this was even still an issue because 1.) the guest agreed that a full refund would be considered if I booked those dates, 2.) I was protected by the strict cancellation policy, and 3.) the amount of time that has passed.  The representative (Hazzle) was extremely RUDE, unprofessional, arguementative, and tried to coerce me into refunding the guest throughout the entire conversation.  She was trying to put words into my mouth the entire conversation and was using intimadation techniques stating that it is our obligation to refund the guest and repeating that a "real" super host would "do the right thing and issue the refund."  Rather than trying to understand our point of view and hear both sides of the story, she was one sided the entire conversation even though we are the SUPER HOSTS and this guest had 0 reviews.  Why would she only be concerned with making the guest happy and not a host that has been a super host for over a year?!  I thought splitting the difference 50/50 was more than fair instead of 100% in either direction.  I told her that I was willing to work with the guest even though I did not technically  have to IF we booked those dates.  She continued to put pressure on me throughout the conversation but ulitmately told me it was up to me, but that she had confidence that I would make the "right" decsision and do the "right" thing, as any other super host would. 

 

A couple of weeks later I get an EMAIL stating that Airbnb had ruled in the guest's favor and issued the guest a full refund.  I immediately responded asking Hazzle for an explanation, and she replied via email that the guest provided appropriate paperwork that fell into the extenuating circumstances clause (which supercedes the strict cancellation policy).  This was the same documentation that was submitted weeks ago when the orignal case was open at the same time I spoke with her over the phone, and she did not mention anything at that time about the documentation qualifying for the extenuating circumstances clasue. Furthermore, the document provided by the guest was simply a generic letter stating the employer canceled the continous classes and apologizing for any inconveninces this may have caused the employees.  The employer in this case is the Canadian government and the guest was traveling to Florida for the class.  I immediately replied to Hazzle's response asking her to please call me to discuss the situation over the phone and at least offer me an explanation of why she felt it qualified as an exenuating circumstance.  She replied that she is disengaging from this email chain and refused to call me stating that the decision was already made and was now irreversible.  I replied back immediately asking her one more time to please give me a call and that it is extremely unprofessional to just make a decision via email and not honor my request to speak with her over the phone regarding the matter.  I called the Airbnb superhost hotline right away requesting to speak to a manager/supervisor and was told nobody was around and that someone would call me back.  Fast forward 5 days later and 3 call backs by me and I can not get a supervisor to even call me back.  Keep in mind that the government paid for the guest's trip and the trip that he had to re-book at a later date so the guest was NEVER out of pocket for anything.  The money that he received as a refund from this booking went directly into his pocket and then booked other dates at a future time that the government paid for.  So the guest personally profited $1450 and we are out $1450.  

 

I am absolutely appalled that this is how Airbnb is treating Super hosts, or any hosts for that matter.  Why do we have cancellation policies?  Why do we bother doing everything we can to go above and beyond for our guests and earn super host status when this company does not have our back?  Why should someone that is employed by the government have special privileges and our cancelation polices do not apply to them.  Does this mean I should never accept a government employee's reservation since they are above the law?  Now, I feel as though their inadequate system is encouraging discrimination, which goes against my personal beliefs and the mission statement Airbnb has clearly laid out to all hosts across the world. It is not fair that government employees and military personnel get this special treatment. If I booked an Airbnb with a strict cancellation policy for a work conference in California for my job but I cancel a few days before because of a work conflict, would this too fall under their extenuating circumstances policy (if I was able to provide documentation stating that my employer changed the travel dates)? Or did this guest receive preferential treatment because he happend to be a government/military employee? I've read through the extenuating circumstances policy and the list of reasons that qualify does not include anything about work conflicts. The types of circumstances that they outline in the written policy and deem valid include (and are limited to): -Unexpected death or serious illness of a host, guest, or immediate family member, -Serious injury that directly restricts a guest's ability to travel, - Significant natural disasters or severe weather incidents impacting the location of destination or location of departure, -Urgent travel restrictions or severe security advisories issued after the time of booking, by an appropriate nation or internation authority, -Endemic disease declared by a credible national or internation authority, -Severe property damage or unforseen maintenance issues that directly impact the ability to host safely, -Government-mandated obligations issued after the time of booking (ex: jury duty).

 

We rely on this income to help pay our mortgage and it is absurd that AirBnb would do this to a host that has represented their company in a very professional and positive manner.  I apologize for the lengthly post and we really appreciate any help or insight from other hosts.  I am not going to give up until this matter is resolved.  Thank you!

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@David126  I agree with you that running a business has risks and the business owner has to find ways to mitigate various types of potential losses. 

I am afraid that your no nonsense point of view is not well received by those who feel victimized.  You have been a faithful host contributor to this forum for quite a while.  Unfortunately when an experienced host such as yourself attempts to suggest alternatives to feeling powerless, many hosts will explain your response as being some sort of Air BNB operative. 😛

I see posts about how the Air BNB platform is not working for different types of listings or situation and like you wonder why hosts remain with the Air BNB booking platform.  There are platforms in which the host does the payment collection and the security deposit collection, right?  I personally am lazy so I like that Air BNB takes care of all that.  Also, I do not have the type of listing in which I am at risk for a large loss nor do I depend on the income to keep my home.

Keep representing your perspective, David.  Thank you

Jay47
Level 3
Tennessee, United States

Very well said Linda!  I had two older brothers and was also bullied at school so I am not programmed to accept bullying BS.  Didn't do it then.....don't do it now!  Hosts should voice their concerns between themselves and to Airbnb and Airbnb should listen and learn.  Knuckling under is not going to cure the problem.

@Jay47

 

Well said Sir, we had enough of this BS.

 

Airbnb are charging a 20% fee for this service and running their company like its the wild west.

 

 

Thank you, Jay.

@Leslie63

 

The trouble is no Insurer would provide cover as broad as the extenuating circumstances policy.

David

i  never knew that so  may grand mothers could fall down so many stairs........the excuses go on and on...........i looked up .....www vrbo......, but couldn't find out the cost     and it was not an easy wesite to use..........just be patient and air bnb will go the way of sears kmart grants and so many more.  in the meantime if any of you can figure vrbo and how it works please speak up.........thanks jon 79 yrs  old and tired ofr all the b.s.

Tom368
Level 2
Virginia, United States

I've been a VRBO host for 12 years.  I became SuperHost during some of that time (I inexplicably lost status last year but will have it again soon).
Most, unfortunately, there is no good single answer. 

Cancellations have not been a big issue for me since my first 2 rentals were remote airfare locations so cancellations were rare since the flights also came with cancellation fees.  I've recently added a stateside rental and my crystal ball can foresee issues down the road with Airbnb's guest friendly policies.
Expedia bought VRBO/HomeAway 2 1/2 years ago - it's gone downhill since.  To make a LOT MORE $ they started chasing Airbnb's business model and merging it with their own.   They have different subscriptions; pay as you go or pay a fee up front and pay less as you go.  They are more host-oriented but slipping in that department.  Guests end up paying much higher fees so as a result bookings are down.  My Airbnb bookings this year will likely surpass my VRBO bookings.  
Once I figure out how the calendar situation my goal is to have my private calendar open up until 14 months out (for returning guests)  The VRBO calendar opens 11 months out and the Airbnb calendar open for the last 3 months or so.  

Rachel454
Level 2
England, United Kingdom

Thats because the extenuating circumstances poliy covers a lot more than.... extenuating circumstances! 

@Jay47

   May I suggest you read (and observe) closely on recent subjects here and where some individual posters are coming from before coming to general conclusions about what anyone in particular here 'accepts too readily' and thus insinuating they are in essence 'part of the problem'.  Nor is this a Venting Station in the hope that someone at Airbnb notices the clamor; it is a place for hosts to exchange information and ideas, and help each other to understand the present Airbnb 'mentality', which in reality IS hard to follow because it does keep changing (i.e. expanding). The whole Extenuating Circumtance issue being a classic example.

   One thing I can asure you, this forum is not a  'Ship of Fools' waiting for true enlightment. many here been in the rocking boat for years.

Jay47
Level 3
Tennessee, United States

Fred - If someone does not push back against a problem, that person enables and strengthens the problem.  Adding a buck to offset Airbnb's horrible, contract breaching EC policy does not go to the root of the problem. 

 

If you believe that Airbnb does not pay attention to complaints voiced on these forums then I have some swamp land I would like to talk to you about.  For sure, there is no Ship of Fools waiting for enlightenment, instead we are a ship of pretty sharp folks seeking to cure, not prolong, a bad problem for the mutual benefit of ourselves and Airbnb.

@Jay47

 

I assume that AirBnB do not see it as a problem, they do not have much financial skin in the game.

 

I assume they think that annoyed Hosts is a worthy trade for happy Guests.

 

I know that the Mods have mentioned one of their tasks is to supply a summary of the issues raised on this forum so I can not believe that this is not a known issue. 

 

There is also Hosts Voice to put forward suggestions.

 

David
Jay47
Level 3
Tennessee, United States

You know what Unk used to say about assuming things right?  When you assume, you make an *SS out of U and ME.   IF Airbnb is not concerned about their hosts being annoyed, Airbnb is profoundly stupid as a company and I do not believe that. 

 

Airbnb and its hosts should seek to optimize their business models.   Hosts abused by the Airbnb EC policy will gets results eventually by being the "squeaky wheel needing grease".  Tolerance of bad policy will not get us to where we need to be.  

 

I appreciate the tip about the Hosts Voice tab.

Jean-Christop4
Level 2
Oxford, United Kingdom

I totally understand your frustration. 

I am a hst with strict cancelation policy in order to avoid last minute canceation despite teh risk of getting less booking. 

Earlier this year, a guest cancelled 3 weeks before the trip because his friend (who had apparently booked with him) just had a knee operation. They booked the trip approximately 5 weeks before that happend and they live in the UK.

The excuse did not make sense to me because: 

- you can walk now very soon after knee operation 1-2 weeks is perfectly fine (i have been through it)

- it is very unlikely that in 5 weeks after a knee accident you get the operation (especially in the UK) the traveller was most lkely aware of his condition at the time of booking 

- moreover the guest who booked the stay is not the one who had the accident.

 

I believe they could have travelled and one of them would not have been able to ski (my place is in mountain village). AirBnB over ruled the strict cancelation policy and re-imburse the guest withot bringing me any proof of extenuating circumstances. And i made a loss on those dates. 

 

AirBNB apparently takes the side of the guest (or client) to the detriment of the host and no matter the cancelation policy. To my mind they should stick to teh cancelation policy and leave the guest refund to at teh discretion of insurance company which anyone should subscribe when they travel. It is unfair that the host has to suffer finaincial los to the benefit of AirBnB image. To my mind this behavior is abusive. 

 

Today i just recieved a second demand of cancelation for a 7 day booking starting in 2 days. From past experience, i now feel influenced/pressured/intimidated and to be fair obliged to offer the guest a friendly arrangement despite my strict cancelation policy with the hope that the guest will not be refund by AirBNB at a later date as it happened to you.

 

It makes me want to use competitor websites, does anyone have any suggestion?  

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my daughter and i are both airbnb hosts and feel airbnb ignores our cancellation policies.  she had a party cancel at the last minute and air bnb decided not to refund them all their moniy. as the clocked had clicked down..........next thing she heard was the party wanted to reschedule for another weekend which she agreed to......bingo this reset the clock and they promptly cancelled and got a full refund   we bothe think airbnb coached them on how to do this. we are also looking at other rental agencies.jon b and kim

VRBO (parent is Homeaway)