Total lack of Host Support in an Emergency Eviction Situation

Marcus16
Level 2
Darlinghurst, Australia

Total lack of Host Support in an Emergency Eviction Situation

After hosting a guest who lied about how many people would be staying at my apartment and turned out not to be the stand up business person he noted himself to be, but instead subjected myself and my neighbours to a never ending stream of very dubious and stoned visitors literally ALL night for 3 nights in a row, into a 10 day rental I became very suspicious that my apartment was being used by a drug dealer. With noise disturbance significantly affecting x2 neighbours in a high end apartment complex I rang Airbnb for advise, only to have to call back 4 further times to try and get some support as to the best means to evict the guest. the best of which was me being advised that Airbnb would contact the guest advise him he was acting outside of Terms and Conditions and to that they would get back to me with a plan of action - which of course they failed to do.....

 

After no feedback and support from Airbnb I needed up confronting the guest directly and was subjected to several people sitting throughout my apartment some of whom did not even know the guest(renter), x1 of whom was smoking in a no smoking apartment and the another who was smoking a white substance from a glass bong on my dining table

 

My apartment was in a filthy state which (what later amounted to 5 bags loads of rubbish and foodstuff strewn throughout the apartment, burn holes found in the carpet and what looked like seaman stains left over the lounge rug and sofa. After viewing this and having received NO ADVSIE or SUPPORT from AIrbnb at all I made my own arrangement to evict the tenant by advising them the police would be on the doorstep in one hour if they were not gone.

 

In advising Airbnb of this I was STUNNED to be told I needed TO RE-ENTER THE APARTMENT TO GET PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE DRUG USE, which would obviously had had the potential to put me in significant danger.

 

After what has now been 17 phones call and me spending at least 4 hours attempting to communicate with Airbnb and another 7-8 overseeing trades to rectify over $2200 worth of damage inflected on my apartment by the tenant (all of which was documented and photographed) Airbnb had the ordacity last night to suggest to me that the guest should be entitled to a refund for the days he was not able to use the apartment and that Airbnb would organise via the guest's bond to contribute $250 towards the $2200 worth of damage the guest had inflected on my apartment. 

 

DO AIRBNB's TRUST & SAFTEY TEAM MEMBERS LEAVE IN THE REAL WORLD AND REALISE THTA HOST HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN HOUSES AND APARTMENTS THAT ENABLE THEIR VERY BUSINESS - I DON’T THINK THEY DO.

 

What on earth would encourage Airbnb management to treat its hosts in such a way and make such short sighted decisions. I have been a successful host with you for several years with x3 high end properties listed with Airbnb and until now having received an increasing share of booking fees  - SHAME ON YOU AIRBNB as you should and can do much better than this.

 

Such dispute thta are back up by evidence need to handled in a far more objective and independent manner or hosts like me will simply give up and go back to a normal method of rental where their is a responsible level care  and management capability ove rthe investment into which we have poured millions of our hard earned dollars.

 

As is consistency said on this Forum Airbnb do a terrible job in managing such situations as need to move away from this process of  being Detective, Judge and Juror unless they are prepared to despatch Airbnb representative straight to a host premises at the time such a significant issue arises.

 

Just another host listing elsewhere and looking to close down the Airbnb relationship

11 Replies 11
Maria758
Level 9
Washington, DC

Hello @Marcus16,

 

I am very disappointed to hear of you most daunting experience with your most recent guests and with Airbnb.  I can only imagine how you must feel in this situation and I sincerely hope you obtain the resolve you seek.

 

Although I do not have much knowledge, or experience, in situations such as yours, I do appreciate you taking the time to notify the rest of the Airbnb Host community with your story.

 

Additionally, you may want to consider posting your story and concerns on “Airbnb Host Voice,” a new feature on Airbnb.  In Host Voice you can share ideas with the community and Airbnb; you can submit an Idea on any topic.  I’m sure there are other hosts who have your same concern and looking for similar resolve.

 

Again, I’m sorry that you are going through such and undesirable situation, but I hope you will not let this experience discourage you from continuing to host.

 

Hope this is helpful, keep us posted.

 

Take Care,

Izzie, Co-Host

LOV Puerto Rico

David126
Level 10
Como, CO

@Marcus16

 

There have been very many similar postings and there seems to be two options:

 

The Host Guarantee has an Arbitration provision, I have seen at least one Host who used it and I assume the case got kicked up a level and they had a full settlement.

 

The other is media involvement.

 

Arbitration would seem simplest. Please let us know how you get on, I am sure it will be of use to others in a similar situation.

David

@David126 I'm not a Twitter user, but I 've read posts that Airbnb mgmt responds more promptly to Twitter posts. Do you know anything further about this?

I am not either but I set up an account just to contact them and to be fair it worked fine, I did it to sort out an issue from calling a CSR, thinking back he came across as pretty clueless.

 

Seems that the ones on Twitter know more, can do more.

David
Marcus16
Level 2
Darlinghurst, Australia

Thank you for taking the time to respond David and I have raised such a request with Airbnb.

Seems incredible that anyone should have to go to such levels just to get what should be an automatic and basic service level, but such a degree or arrogance seems to consume companies like Airbnb that see themslevs dominating their markets so much that they no longer feel they have to listen to their customers or meet a basic service level that actually meets a reasonable community standard.

Branka-and-Silvia0
Level 10
Zagreb, Croatia

@Marcus16 

uhhh I hate to hear another story like this 😞

Helen3
Level 10
Bristol, United Kingdom

Hello @Marcus16

 

So sorry to here this.

 

What sort of vetting did you do of the guest who booked? Did he have verified ID? Previous reviews? Tell you about plans his stay and why he chose your place? Do you or your rep check people in personally and remind them of your house rules? Do you have CCTV at the entrances to your building?

 

I absolutely appreciate that Airbnb dropped the ball on this one but just wondering a couple of things.

 

1. Why did you let the guest stay three days when you were aware of a stream of all day and night visitors on day one?

2. Like it or not Airbnb have a clear system in these situations. Tackle guests first about rule breaking - you could have messaged/visited on day one. Provide evidence - you could have gone over there with a video/camera rather than have to return.

 

Not sure why when you had people trespassing in your apartment and taking drugs, you just didn't boot them out straight away. Why leave your apartment with them there to cause further damage and noise?

 

I hope Airbnb deal better with your compensation claim than they do with the awful guests.

 

Going forward try taking off IB and vetting your guests more thoroughly before accepting bookings?

Molly56
Level 2
Pittsburgh, PA

Read your saga.  It reminds me that AirBnB states very clearly in their long legal agreements before you start - that they are not responsible nor liable for any problems hosts have.  On that score, I have not experienced problems with guests like you have - but I know it's all at my own risk - and almost find it humorous to get notices from AirBnb that I may not be meeting all standards etc.  It does appear to be a one way street, albeit built on much trust.  AirBnb acts as a vetting agent, like paperwork getting a bank loan - otherwise, they are not on the premises and take their small cut for just being a computer conduit between vendors and customers.  I do think it's a marvelous service and experience but, obviously, there are those who falsify their information and try to take advantage of the situation (I have often experienced more guests showing up than originally expressed) - sorry to learn you were the recipient of such a horrible experience.  I find the process of saying yes or no to a guest even difficult because you can get a report if you cancel someone who does not communicate well which is a tip off they may cause problems when actually present.  Wonder how AirBnb will resolve with you, financially - but clear and a warning - that this a time by time experience built on trust - and anything can still happen, without AirBnb back up.  Thanks for sharing.  Good luck!

Outfit-M-Inc-0
Level 2
Satellite Beach, FL

I have guests who did not disclose a large 80lb dog- who is sick and bandaged...... Air Bnb tried to say because I allow pets they are not on violTion.

my policy states prior to arrival it must be disclosed or it is grounds for termination.

so 14 calls in 4 days and  10 Air Bnb casemanagers atill have not followed through -

they said guests would be requested to leave by noon today- 

i have taken off work and spent 2 1/2 hours on the phone with them.

guests avoid communicating with Air Bnb and avoid any links to relocate.

air Bnb finall put in writing today that they will cancel the reservation following the long term rental policy- and guests should leave by tomorrow or I will provide a police escort to remove them. Air Bnb casemangets are a joke- you get a different one every time and it takes almost an hour to have them review the tickets- and each case manager says the same statements or responses and “want to discuss it with a team” but you get NO RESOLUTION !!!!!

Air Bnb even tries to say I had yo alter the reservation and get no payout despite the non disclosure of pets and violation of rules and property destruction and damage. 

I have taken off 8 hours of work and am missing work again tomorrow to handle this guest - 

i can change a few things - like only rent to guests with reviews- despite this guest being retired- don’t let people fool you!!!!!! 

I will install RING video doorbell , and meet guests at arrival. 

Guets do not read policies and do what they want- 

very disrespectful of homeowners her is the Melbourne area. 

I am looking for other forums for my rental business. 

This incident proved Air Bnb does not have host priorities. 

Melissa 

Outfit M Inc

Molly56
Level 2
Pittsburgh, PA

I have had wonderful experiences with all guests except one.  Airbnb "support" was not supportive or helpful to me -- very time consuming & upsetting. Ultimately, they docked me in payment since they were manipulated by my guest who complained & then chose to stay for a week, anyway-- payment was withheld from me 5 months later for a new booking after a long "time out". 

It's important to be careful about guest communications & confirming transactions. I do not feel Airbnb support is helpful where there's a big problem. They are a platform/corporation in business to make money, with low overhead & no real legal liabilities.

still, most people who use the platform are reputable because they have supposedly been vetted by Airbnb.

Anne1475
Level 2
Manchester, United Kingdom

It's still happening. I have a guest who misled about her stay and turned up with a van having moved out of her house into my guest room! She's piled boxes and bags, blocked access to the fuse box, and generally scattered her stuff throughout my home, my cleaner can't clean as so much stuff.  She's  caused damage,  binned my belongings,  argued with me when I object, left my property unlocked and gone out... I'm away due to a family death and have spent a week begging AirBnB for help only to be told there are no violations.  I'm being threatened!