I am now already in a +10 day discussion with Airbnb on an i...
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I am now already in a +10 day discussion with Airbnb on an issue of blocked days that are being switched to 'active' in the c...
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Hello Everyone, this is a long and nuanced one. We're just looking for advice and help. We feel like our hosts are completely insane and Airbnb support is willfully negligent but are looking for third parties to verify or refute.
Background
My girlfriend and I booked a long-term stay (~2.5 months) back in early March for mid-June through early-September. The place said it was pet-friendly, although the house rules asked for a "well-behaved and friendly dog (we do not allow any dog who is aggressive to either people or other animals in anyway, including lunging, loud barking or growling) who is trained to follow the rules below is allowed with an additional pet fee of $50. Payment of this fee will be requested separately through air b and b. Pets are not permitted on the furniture or beds and guest agrees to pay an additional cleaning and/or repair fees associated with failure to comply. If your pet is not able to be in the in the space quietly and comfortably when you are away (i.e. minimal barking or jumping up on the furniture) you will either need to take them with you at all times, or we unfortunately cannot accommodate you. If your dog is kennel trained, we can loan you a kennel during your stay." It said any violation of this would allow the hosts to kick us out and charge us $300. We did not have our puppy at the time of booking, we picked up a new puppy just before arriving to the Airbnb. However, it is a Bernedoodle and we paid to get it trained for a month from age 2 months to age 3 months before we picked her up. We figured that with her training and our ability to adapt that we would be able to have a "well-behaved" dog who fits the description. We told the hosts we were bringing a dog, and they were cool with that. We did not specify "puppy" but also did not intentionally withhold that. We thought "pet-friendly" meant as such.
It is also worth mentioning that we are fully nomadic, in other words we live at long-term Airbnbs and have been doing so without issue for the past 13 months. We have a car jam-packed with our stuff and a rooftop bag. Moving from one location to another is a lot of work.
Timeline of Events:
Now we are at a hotel with all of our stuff, paying 30% higher nightly rate than our Airbnb, with a puppy, both working from home, and desperately trying to find new housing. Airbnb has not responded to our messages for 48 hours and I think they are willfully ignoring us. Despite saying they'd help, they haven't helped us with housing at all. We are trying to decide whether to accept the hosts' proposal to shorten the stay to the time we spent there and pay them for 2+ weeks of rent, and obviously minus the service fee, or whether to go to the Resolution Center and ask for a full refund. The other option is to pursue a dispute through our Capital One credit card. I spoke with them today and they said it would be tough to get back the money for the days that we stayed at the home. At the end of the day we feel like even if we should have been more aware there could have been sensitivity to a puppy vs a dog, that the host 1) should not allow any dogs in a home with such EXPENSIVE FLOORS because even housebroken dogs pee in new environments sometimes, 2) should have written that rule out explicitly, 3) should have checked to see the age / condition of our dog when we mentioned we were bringing one if they're so sensitive about it, 4) NOT HAVE LIED TO US about the no puppy rule they made up retroactively, 6) made an earnest effort to work something out or accept compensation for damages, 7) not have willfully misinterpreted our genuine, thoughtful letter, 😎 called us deceitful or sneaky when they are the ones who actually got caught lying, and 9) not threatened legal action. As awful as they have been to us, we feel like Airbnb dropped the ball even harder because if they responded with a person dedicated to our case who worked with any sort of care that 1) we could have gotten out of there quicker and 2) tensions would not have blown up over the course of the week. Why did Airbnb tell us they would help us with finding / affording a new place if they never intended to? We felt like their customer service system was designed to not be of assistance for mediation and instead they intentionally ignored us to have us hash it out ourselves, but when your host doesn't believe anything you say and makes threats how are we as guests supposed to deal with that?
If you've made it this far, congratulations. Open to any and all feedback, critical or supportive of us. Please provide recommended next steps if possible.
I read it all (!) and my advise is ("quoted"):
"accept the hosts' proposal to shorten the stay to the time we spent there and pay them for 2+ weeks of rent, and obviously minus the service fee"
Case closed.
@Eric5113 I agree with @Emiel1 my recommendation is also to find a new place. Airbnb encourages host to allow pets but with no advice, or guidance, guidelines including pet safety. It’s too bad they changed the rules but my guess is when the hosts decided to allow pets the hadn’t thought about the puppy factor. Airbnb should ask host to consider pet age as part of listing the space as pet friendly. Also most older dogs don’t pee in a new indoor environment. My dogs have never done that. I should also not it does not sound like the have handled it well.
@Jillian115 @Emiel1 God bless you both for reading @Eric5113 's lengthy post. I certainly couldn't.
@Eric5113 "However, it is a Bernedoodle and we paid to get it trained for a month from age 2 months to age 3 months before we picked her up. We figured that with her training and our ability to adapt that we would be able to have a "well-behaved" dog who fits the description. "
I think you might have done a little more homework on the requirements for training puppies.
There are thousands of puppy training sites. Here's just one I found while randomly googling "how long does it take to train a puppy". Most recommend 4 - 6 months, at a minimum.
https://pets.webmd.com/dogs/guide/house-training-your-puppy#1
When combined with your "nomadic lifestyle", constant changes in routine would likely prolong the process considerably.
You should, in my opinion, at the very least, pay for the nights you stayed, as well as any extra cleaning costs required to rehabilitate the peed-on rugs, and any other damages the puppy may have caused. It's responsible dog ownership, irrespective of any issues you may or may not have with your host.
Sorry @Eric5113 but it's not fair to the puppy or your hosts to move it around regularly as you travel the country .
You can't expect a puppy to be fully trained after a month. it takes so much longer and every-time you move environments you will unsettle it further and put back its training.
if you're having a puppy and work from home why not settle down by a while so you can give your puppy the stability it needs . A hotel room isn't the right environment to keep a puppy or any pet.
looking at your reviews this isn't the first time you've had negative reviews for how you have left a property in terms of cleanliness .
Accept the hosts offer and find a permanent home for your little family to give your puppy the best start in life.
@Eric5113
I only read this far:
"They are very concerned for their "very expensive floors and furniture." We tell them that a week in she has been entirely non-destructive to furniture or floors, and that the only issue is that she is peeing on the rugs."
Host can ask guest to remove a service animal if not house broken.
https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/1869/assistance-animals
@Eric5113 I have to wonder what you thought would happen, bringing a new puppy into someone's home without communicating your intentions clearly. My feeling is that you and your host both handled the whole thing badly, but mostly you.
Don't wait for Airbnb customer support to solve this for you. They are hopeless. Do as @Emiel1 advised and move on. Be completely upfront with any future host to avoid a repeat of this miserable experience.
@Eric5113 If you think it's okay to travel with a puppy that pees on the rugs, I suggest you get yourself a camper van and stop trying to book Airbnbs.
And housebroken doesn't mean training a puppy to use a "pee pad". That's just training them to think it's okay to pee inside.
And "even housebroken dogs pee in new environments sometimes" ??? Where on earth did you get that ridiculous notion? I've had dogs all my life, not one has ever relieved themselves indoors, either at home or anywhere else I've taken them.
Who buys a puppy when they are relying solely on short term rented accommodation?
Who thinks 'peeing on rugs' isn't a HUGE issue?
You, apparently.
SMH.
I don't understand how you could think peeing on rugs is non-destructive. You mentioned you lived a nomadic lifestyle and your car seems very important to you..... so would you consider your puppy peeing weekly on the driver's seat of your car as natural and not destructive to your car? And getting a puppy when you live a nomadic lifestyle while staying at long-term Airbnb's moving every several months doesn't seem like a smart or responsible move IMO. Thinking a puppy trained at 2 months old for a month will make it "well-trained" and "well-behaved" just goes to show you really have no clue.
I think your hosts have been very kind and understanding, all things considered. And you shouldn't expect to get money back for nights you already stayed. You should also absolutely pay for damages and/or extra cleaning. The situation you find yourself in (paying more that you anticipated to stay at a hotel) is your fault for assuming things without proper research, considering pee on rugs as non-destructive and acting irresponsibly. Your hosts should not have to pay for your shortcomings.
Personally, I do not see it as Airbnb's job to rehouse you. Aribnb is a booking platform that connects hosts with guests through the advertisement of homes. I would never rely on them when issues like this occur and that is one of the greatest risks that guests take when booking short-term rental stays. And while I can see many advantages of the nomadic lifestyle, this is one of the many reasons why the majority of people prefer the security of homeownership and long-term rental contracts. I won't touch on the dog because I am not a pet person and can't imagine constantly moving around with a puppy let alone owning one 🙂
If I were you I would amend the booking to the day you checked out. Pay for the days you stayed. Collect your allotted refund. Book another stay for the "long-term" in the Fall or when longer consecutive dates start to became available. In the meantime, I would accept the fact that you will likely only be able to find shorter stays at this point. One week here and one week there. This will be inconvenient and you will feel like you are living out of your car .. but isn't that the great thrill of the nomadic lifestyle? Living in the moment and not knowing what could come next?
The Standard Bernedoodle stands at 23 to 29 inches and weigh 70 to 90 pounds. wow! perfect for nomadic lifestyle
@Branka-and-Silvia0 There may be a direct correlation between choosing to get a designer dog and the level of entitlement the dog owner has 🙂
Interestingly, while the OP has many good reviews, he also has 4 reviews which mention the place being left dirty.
I also find the use of the phrase "nomadic lifestyle" to be interesting in what it now seems to encompass. It traditionally means people who have no stationary address and move from area to area. But true nomadic peoples travel with their own accommodation- their tipis or tents which they set up wherever they go, their caravans or motorhomes of some type. They didn't live in other people's homes and impose themselves, all their stuff, and whatever animals they travelled with on others. They were independent.
@Sarah977 modern nomads are dependent on optic internet so it has a big impact on their mobility 🙂