lawyer escrow account - possible scam?

Jordán1
Level 1
Brno, Czech Republic

lawyer escrow account - possible scam?

Hi all,

I am looking for a long term rental in switzerland. I found a nice place but instructions the host sent me via email seem little bit strange to me. Does airbnb provide this kind of service? Or is it a scam? What do you think? Thanks in advance!


----email from host below----

Hi,
 
Yes, you will rent the whole apartment it is not a shared apartment. About the listing showed to me probably some agencies copy my photo or something like that. At this point you need to send the amount of CHF 1480 (1st month rent from the rental contract + damage deposit) to the the AirBnb payment representative (lawyer escrow account) provided to you in the notification after you will book the apartment.
As soon as the payment is completed you need to send the payment details to AirBnb. (an receipt proving that you sent them the deposit).
AirBnb will verify the payment and if everything is in order they will start the shipping procedures using UPS Next Day Shipping Service.
You will receive the package (keys and lease agreement) and you will have 2 business days (inspection time) to check the place.
If you decide to rent the apartment you just need to sign the lease agreement that Airbnb sends, email it to them and they will release the funds to me. If after the 2 days inspection you don`t want to keep the apartment you will receive a full payment refund. Please let me know your decision soon.
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Cormac0
Level 10
Kraków, Poland

@Jordán1

 

SCAM, start running and don't stop...

Elena87
Level 10
СПБ, Russia

@Jordán1

 

See the link below for the form on this scam technique.

 

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Rental-scam-using-Airbnb-How-should-I-go-forward-if-at-all/...

 

Scam all day long.  Wire money = lose money.

 

Which site did you find this 'nice place' ( and phoney shtick)  on ?

 

 

Thank you for quick replies! You just confirmed my thoughts. @Elena87 Website is wgzimmmer.ch 

I’ve been looking for a place in  Boston and I came across a cute one on apartments.com and I started emailing with the renter/owner and he sent me the exact emails pretty much word for word as yours. This is what he sent me, luckily I did not reply: 

The company I work for moved me to the United Kingdom, and unfortunately there is a problem showing you the apartment because I have already left. I haven't managed to rent the apartment before leaving for the United Kingdom because someone said I would rent the apartment and haven't managed to keep the promise. I waited for him, but unfortunately, he could not get the money in time, so the transaction failed, and I had to leave before renting it. Obviously, this experience has brought me huge inconveniences and left me with a bitter taste, so I prefer to use a worldwide property management company.

 

The company I am talking about is called Airbnb (www.airbnb. com) their website is mainly focused on short term rentals, but they also have a NEW service for long term rentals. I used this service last month when I rented my apartment in London, United Kingdom. I can tell you that it was a great experience and the only way I will proceed renting my apartment is by using Airbnb. I think that you have already heard of them, they are well known globally, also they are a company listed at the stock market that values billions in revenue each year. Look at their website as a reference, but please know that you will NOT find my apartment there. I need to initiate the transaction before anything. 

 

Using Airbnb involves three parties: me as the owner, you as a potential tenant, and Airbnb as a responsible third party authorized to handle this transaction. Airbnb will handle everythingfrom paperwork (official documentation) to shipment. Airbnb works the same way as the escrow account on which you place the deposit when you rent an apartment, except that instead of a bank, we use Airbnb. Of course, nobody can take that money until you inspect the condo and sign the lease agreement.

 

I understand that this is not a conventional way to rent a place. Still, please keep in mind that the "reward" for following the Airbnb transaction is a lower monthly rent. Also, I will pay for all the fees that Airbnb will request for using their services. Please note that the Airbnb services are necessary only until you inspect the apartment and sign the lease agreement. After that, you can deposit the monthly payments directly to my bank account or set up a suitable payment method for both of us.

@Anna9932 Hi Anna! This wouldn't happen to be for an apartment on 1672 Washington St. with the owner being 'Chris L. Mounce'...would it? 

Hey! Yep Chris L Mounce is the name. Although the address was different. So whoever this guy is must constantly do this with different addresses and places because once I called him out, he deleted the “listing” and he must go and make new ones 

@Anna9932  And you can be sure it's not his real name, either. These scammers change their fake listings and their fake names as soon as someone calls them out.

Hi Anna, 

 

I also experienced the same scam by a Christopher L Mounce who sent me an email identical to the one you received, along with a picture of his passport and family photos (as a way for me to gain his “trust.” I do not plan on emailing him back with my personal information or money obviously, as I know he’s a fraud. My cousin warned me about this via the Airbnb community link. I’m sorry you were falsely misled like so many others. Did you take up the investigation with your bank or the police?

Hi This literally happened to me. What did you do?

 

@Jessica2242 you need to tag the person if you want an answer. 

First, stop communicating with the scammer. Not sure what site you found the ad on, but you should be able to report it. That's pretty much all you can do (provided it's not on the actual Airbnb website).

 

@Alexandra316I dont know how i came across him in the midst of my apartment hunt, i just saw the email and the place looked familiar and i sent the money and fell for the scam. Just wondering if anyone else did and what they did about it, so i know before i go to the authorities.

@Jessica2242  I don't know how you sent the money, but you might see if you can get the payment stopped. Other than that, there's not much you can do. 

 

I'm really sorry you got scammed, that's terrible, but I have a hard time understanding why people don't look on the Airbnb site to learn about how Airbnb works, in which case they would understand right away that it's a scam, rather than believing what some total stranger you met online tells you and sending them money.

@Jessica2242 sorry to hear you sent money. Not much to be done apart from reporting it to your bank. You can also report it to the police. Airbnb can't do anything as it's not on their website. I hope you're able to get a refund. 

Exact same thing happened to me this week. A place in Boston, too good to be true. Same red/bold email text. Sent me family photos and a passport photo to "build trust". 

 

EMAIL 1: 

Hello,
Thank you for your interest in my apartment, it is still available. I
will try to give you as many details as I can regarding the apartment
in the following email.
The full address of the apartment is [---]. Everything is just like in the pictures, fully equipped with all the appliances you need, very clean and well kept. The apartment
can be rented furnished or if you want you can use your furniture and
deposit mine in the storage unit. I work as an civil engineer and the
company I work for has developed projects all around the world. Now, I
have received a very good offer from them to move to the United
Kingdom department, an offer that I have accepted.
The apartment is vacant so you can move-in anytime you want, also my
contract in the UK is for the next 6 years, so for this period, I will not
return 100%.
The rent of 1000$/month is for the whole apartment and includes all
the utilities: heat, water, electricity, parking, laundry in-suite,
washer and dryer also included, cable and internet. You will have full
access to all building amenities. Just in case repairs are needed
there, I will cover the costs, so no worries. The price I'm asking is
below the market because I want to find a responsible tenant to take
good care of the place.
I'm the owner of the apartment, it's already paid in full and there is
no mortgage on it. You have everything you need near-by (public
transportation, schools, groceries etc.). Also I love pets, so if you
have any pets, I won't have any problem, pets are allowed. Honestly
from my point of view I'm sure that You'll love it for sure and rent it
on the spot.
Few questions:
  - I would like to know how many people will live in the apartment?
  - Any pets?
  - How long do you intend to rent the apartment for?
Please let me know if you are really interested in the place so we can
discuss further.
Thank you and look forward to hearing from you!
Chris

 

EMAIL 2:

Hello,

The company I work for moved me to the United Kingdom, and unfortunately there is a problem showing you the apartment because I have already left. I haven't managed to rent the apartment before leaving for the United Kingdom because someone said I would rent the apartment and haven't managed to keep the promise. I waited for him, but unfortunately, he could not get the money in time, so the transaction failed, and I had to leave before renting it. Obviously, this experience has brought me huge inconveniences and left me with a bitter taste, so I prefer to use a worldwide property management company.

 

The company I am talking about is called Airbnb (www.airbnb. com) their website is mainly focused on short term rentals, but they also have a NEW service for long term rentals. I used this service last month when I rented my apartment in London, United Kingdom. I can tell you that it was a great experience and the only way I will proceed renting my apartment is by using Airbnb. I think that you have already heard of them, they are well known globally, also they are a company listed at the stock market that values billions in revenue each year. Look at their website as a reference, but please know that you will NOT find my apartment there. I need to initiate the transaction before anything. 

 

Using Airbnb involves three parties: me as the owner, you as a potential tenant, and Airbnb as a responsible third party authorized to handle this transaction. Airbnb will handle everythingfrom paperwork (official documentation) to shipment. Airbnb works the same way as the escrow account on which you place the deposit when you rent an apartment, except that instead of a bank, we use Airbnb. Of course, nobody can take that money until you inspect the condo and sign the lease agreement.

 

I understand that this is not a conventional way to rent a place. Still, please keep in mind that the "reward" for following the Airbnb transaction is a lower monthly rent. Also, I will pay for all the fees that Airbnb will request for using their services. Please note that the Airbnb services are necessary only until you inspect the apartment and sign the lease agreement. After that, you can deposit the monthly payments directly to my bank account or set up a suitable payment method for both of us.

 

My phone number is ** (UK phone number), please keep in mind that there is a big time difference between us. I am new at work, and I try to avoid speaking on the phone; if I cannot respond, I will do my best to call you asap.

 

LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THE PROCESS, so I can provide all the detailed steps of the transaction (I am sure that many of the questions you have now, will be answered after I will send you the steps). 

 

Thank you and hope to hear from you soon!

Chris

 

EMAIL 3:

Hi again,

I will do my best to be as transparent as possible during the whole transaction. To build up confidence and gain peace of mind, I have attached a copy of my PASSPORT to this email. Also, please know that you will receive official documents from Airbnb also, before depositing them.

Regarding the process, you will have to deposit the first-month rent + last month's rent, a total of 2000$ (1000+1000), to Airbnb so that they can proceed with the shipping of the rental package (keys and documentation). Please note that Airbnb will HOLD your deposit (escrow) until you will receive the rental package (keys and documents) and go and inspect the apartment. Please know that I will pay for all the fees that Airbnb will take. (transaction and shipping fees).

Below I will explain step by step how the transaction with Airbnb works. To avoid any misunderstanding, please READ CAREFULLY THE FOLLOWING STEPS:

1 - To start the process, all I need is your contact information: full name, mailing address (street, number, city, and postal code), cell phone number, a move-in date, and lease agreement preferred (e.g., 6 months or 1-year rental contract with the option of renewal). The lease agreement will be a standard one.

2 - Once I will have your contact information and your approval, I will go to the Airbnb office (UK) to start the transaction. I will give them the apartment keys and necessary documents.

3 - Airbnb will check everything, including the ownership documents. If everything is in order, they will proceed with the transaction. They will also confirm that I'm the legal owner of the apartment I'm renting to you.

4 - Airbnb will send you a notification (via email) where they will inform you that the keys and the documents are in their custody. They will also send you all the steps, how to proceed, and all the transaction details.

5 - At this point, you need to send the amount of 2000$(1st-month rent + last month rent) to the Airbnb payments representative (lawyer escrow account) provided to you in the notification. THE PAYMENT NEEDS TO BE SENT WITHIN 24 BUSINESS HOURS AFTER YOU WILL RECEIVE THE TRANSACTION DETAILS, OR ELSE THEY WILL CHARGE ME AN ADDITIONAL FEE.

6 - As soon as the payment is completed, you need to send the payment details to Airbnb. (a copy of the receipt proving that you sent them the deposit).

7 - Airbnb will verify the payment. If everything is in order, they will start shipping procedures using UPS Next Day Shipping Service.

8 - You will receive the package (keys and documents), and you will have 5 business days (inspection time) to check the place and decide if you want to rent it.

9 - If you decide to rent the apartment, you need to sign the lease agreement that Airbnb sends, email it to them, and they will release the funds to me. If, after the 5 days inspection, you decide not to rent the apartment, Airbnb will refund the whole deposit.

PLEASE NOTE:

  •   Airbnb insures your deposit, and this means that if you do not sign the lease agreement for any reason, Airbnb will refund you the whole deposit, so you are 100% protected.
  •  They CANNOT release the funds without your approval, and they can do it ONLY after you send them the lease agreement with your signature. (after the 5 days inspection period).
  •  Airbnb will send you official documents (invoice, rental agreement, and insurance document) BEFORE sending the deposit to them.

 

From my perspective, everything is safe, and the reward for going forward with this process is significant. Also, because it's a SELF-SHOWING process, I find it usual (common sense) that you need to make the deposit first, as a guarantee. I hope you share my opinion because I cannot modify the transaction terms in any way, so PLEASE READ CAREFULLY ALL THE TRANSACTION STEPS.

Let me know if you have the funds available (2000$) so we can move forward. If you have the funds available and agree with the transaction steps, please email me your full information (full name and address, and cell number) to get the transaction started.

If you have any further questions regarding the transaction, please let me know.

I am waiting for your reply!

Thanks

Chris

PS: Sorry for the long emails, but I need to explain the situation as best as possible

 

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