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Hello, I thought I would start this thread for people who are interested in reading any media coverage specifically related to Airbnb and the COVID-19 pandemic. It might be useful to have these in one place for people to browse.
I'll start this off with an article a Canadian host sent to me today, which might be of interest especially to Toronto based hosts: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/31/covid-19-could-mark-the-end-of-torontos-airb...
Please feel free to post links to other relevant articles you have found (but try not to post duplicates if possible) and to comment away!
This is supposedly illegal right now, but I guess not so easy to enforce, especially if people don't report that they're getting evicted. I am sure a lot of them don't even know about the Airbnbs etc. available to NHS workers right now.
@Huma0 I thought the doctor who was evicted was in a shared house, shared with the landlady?
Yes, it's illegal now to evict tenants in WHOLE houses - but a doc working a few weeks might have been a STR, not a LTR, & I presume the 'no eviction' rule applies to LTRs, where it's the main/only home, not 2nd home whilst working??
Morally, it's a tricky one... Sounds awful evicting a doctor, yet from point of view of infection control, you can see her point!
(I personally am still hosting my lodger 2 - 3 days a week. He's a children's social worker - key worker, but not frontline health, so less of a risk to me.)
Here is the latest on Airbnb disabling IB for whole house listings now as well in the UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news-technology-52229021
Ah, okay, that makes sense. The law has always been different for lodgers with live in landlords than tenants in separate properties. Yes, it's a tough one. The doctor said he didn't blame the landlord at all, was just astonished that another one suggested he pitch a tent somewhere!
..... I mistyped the link, should be https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52229021
@Nicolas1166 posted this on another thread. Here's an article that reports solely from the guest's persective:
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/28/hawaii-airbnb-refund-covid-19/
While I totally understand this point of view (perhaps I would think the same if I was a guest with no experience of either hosting or renting out property in general), it's depressing to see the total lack of understanding of the bigger picture here.
"One is like wow, pure greed. It doesn’t cost you a dime to cancel this. You might be losing out on something but like you still have your property, you can still rent it out but I physically can’t go and use your service that I’m paying for."
This, I believe is the common perception amongst many guests, but how does this guest even know the host's situation? He assumes because she has ten properties that she must be stinking rich. The assumption that the host still has their property and that the cancellation doesn't cost them a dime is the same as the assumption that a property does not have a mortgage, bills or local property taxes, that the host does not have any staff, e.g. cleaning crew, that they don't want to fire and leave destitute.
In normal circumstances, if you met anyone who thought that all landlords' properties lived in some magical fairyland where there were no expenses and every dollar was profit, you would think they were stupid. However, in the current situation, people seem to think that losing some money from a holiday is much worse than anything the other party could be facing.
Hello fellow hosts! Your idea for the media coverage is wonderful!
My wife and me, respectively a Medical Doctor and a Health Research Agent, created a special article about Covid and how airbnb hosts can save lives as well as save the empty Airbnb units
You can read our full article about the solution for all our community and the overall Covid situation in our new blog.
Indeed we created a funny character Doc Dog to present our serious health information. But the article is serious and well thought.
Please take the time to read it fully for a few minutes. You'll understand better the overall Covid situation. Most importantly you'll find our balanced solution helping our airbnb units and peoples lives.
What do you think? Do you have questions or suggestions? Maybe we should post this to the Airbnb leaders? They have the power to make the government leaders think.
Here's a very brief article looking at it from the small time host's perspective (first I've seen). Unfortunately, doesn't explain what that 25% really means!
Thanks to @Berenice13 who posted this article on another thread. First one that I have seen that actually reports in detail on the effect of Airbnb's COVID-19 policies on hosts and what Mr Chesky's 30th March announcement really means:
(businessinsider.com)
Property managers whose businesses have been hit hard by the coronavirus crisis had a mixed reaction to CEO Brian Chesky's apology Monday and his company's decision to set aside $260 million to assist them.
Some hosts who were appreciative that Chesky acknowledged their collective furor over a sudden change to cancellation policies that hosts say had left them with the short end of the stick. But others criticized Airbnb's $260 million peace offering as little more than a public-relations stunt that won't do much to help most property managers and doesn't address the underlying problems.
"I think people see it for what it is," said Annie Switzer, who lives in Bethesda, Md., and manages three properties, two of which she lists on Airbnb. "It's PR."
Airbnb has been struggling for much of the last month to respond to the coronavirus crisis. It initially allowed property managers to decide on their own how to handle cancellations related to the outbreak. But earlier this month, it decided to supersede those policies and allow all guests to cancel reservations and get a full refund for bookings made on or before March 14, if the check-in date was before April 14.
That move infuriated many hosts. About 88% of the amount that guests pay for accommodations on Airbnb goes to property managers. So, hosts were forced to bear the vast majority of the cost of the policy change the company made. And Airbnb made the change without consulting them first.
Airbnb's help for hosts has limitations
On Monday, Chesky tried to address their ire. In an open letter to hosts and in a video message, he apologized for the lack of consultation, and announced four steps the company was taking or had taken to help them. The company set up a $250 million fund to reimburse hosts for some of their booking revenue lost due to coronavirus cancellations. It's offering another $10 million in grants to so-called superhosts — those with popular destinations and top ratings from travelers — to help them pay their mortgages and rent.
The company is also is setting up a way for guests to sent money directly to hosts of properties that they've booked in the past. And Chesky noted Airbnb and property managers had successfully lobbied Congress to include help for hosts — such as giving the access to small-business loans and to expanded unemployment insurance — in its recently passed stimulus package.
"Although it may not have felt like it, we are partners," Chesky said in the letter. "When your business suffers, our business suffers. We know that right now many of you are struggling, and what you need are actions from us to help, not just words."
But hosts were quick to note the limitations and shortcomings of the company's moves. Airbnb is using the $250 million fund to pay property managers 25% of the revenue they lost due to cancellations. But in most cases, it's not going to pay out a quarter of the lost booking revenue a host incurred. Instead, it's offering to pay 25% of whatever a host would have been entitled to under their particular cancellation policies.
So, if a host's policies would have allowed her to keep 50% of the booking revenue because of the timing of the cancellation, Airbnb will reimburse her a quarter of that 50% — or just 12.5% of the total booking amount.
"I appreciate the apology," said Keith Dorsey, who lists a handful of properties on Airbnb with his wife. But, he added, "I believe more money should be given back."
Hosts with guest-friendly policies might get nothing
In the past, Airbnb has encouraged hosts to offer more flexible policies that allow guests to get a full refund even when they cancel shortly ahead of their check-in dates, said Linda Misner, who rents out a house in Tampa, Fla., through Airbnb. But by basing its reimbursements on what hosts were due to receive under their own cancellation policies, it appears the company will be offering more monetary help to those who ignored that recommendation, she said. Those who had flexible terms might get nothing from Airbnb for their cancellations, while those that had ultra-strict policies, might get as much as 25% of their cancelled booking revenue.
"People who have flexible policies will be lucky if they get anything back," Misner said.
The fund does nothing to replace revenue from bookings that likely would have been made but weren't because of the crisis. Delia Gilligan rents out a private room in her house in Aptos, Calif., a coastal community south of San Francisco. Last year, it was booked out for nearly half the year, but guests often make reservations there at the last minute. Because of that she only had three bookings that were cancelled because of the crisis.
"So what am I going to get, a few hundred dollars?" Gilligan said, in reference to Airbnb's reimbursement program. She continued: "It almost doesn't matter."
At the same time that Airbnb announced the reimbursement plan, it also extended the period during which travelers could cancel reservations and get a full refund. Previously, that policy was only for reservations with a check-in date on or before April 14. Now guests can cancel reservations with check-in dates on or before May 31.
That extension is likely to trigger a whole new round of cancellations that, again, will largely come at property managers' expense, Misner said. Airbnb's announcements of the reimbursement and superhost funds seemed like a way to distract attention from that extension, Gilligan said.
"I think they offered this up to try and smooth it over with hosts in some way," Misner said. "I think this is more of a public-relations effort," she continued, "than it is to provide any monetary relief for the hosts."
The superhost fund has limitations too
Property managers also weren't super impressed by Airbnb's $10 million fund for superhosts, in part because of how difficult it can be to get and maintain that status. To be designated a superhost, property managers need to have cancellations at fewer than 1% of their bookings, have a guest rating of 4.8 or higher, and operate a popular destination, with at least 10 individual bookings or 100 days worth of stays in the last year.
But even property managers that meet those requirements and have that designation, might not qualify for the grants. The fund is only available to those who have been a superhost for at least a year and offer just one or two properties through Airbnb.
Misner doesn't qualify, because she's been on Airbnb for less than a year. Dorsey was a superhost but said he lost the status after guests gave him bad reviews in retaliation for him complaining about them.
Airbnb's decision to limit the $10 million fund to superhosts "sucks" said Dorsey, who makes about 80% of his income from his Airbnb listings and has helped other property managers get set up on the system. "We work really hard at Airbnb."
Others property managers were dismissive of Airbnb's planned guest-donation feature. People are losing their jobs. They're worried about getting sick. Helping out Airbnb hosts is probably not at the top of their minds right now, Switzer said.
"I thought that was hilarious," she said. "I've never had a guest donate money to me before."
Regardless of how helpful the policies will be for property managers, they don't fix what hosts see as Airbnb's underlying problem. Airbnb operates a marketplace with two groups of customers — travelers and property managers — and it needs to balance the needs of both. But the company has consistently favored guests over hosts, property managers said.
Airbnb is enabling bad behavior by guests
Long before the coronavirus, the company made it far too easy for guests to cancel and get a full refund, overriding hosts' cancellation policies and sticking property managers with the cost, they said. That's enabled and encouraged people to game the system or to take advantage hosts, they said.
People complain about non-existent bedbugs or that a pool is unusable because the host hadn't had a chance yet to clean up the leaves an overnight storm blew into it, and want a full refund, they said. Or they try to cancel a reservation at the last minute because one member of a large party is sick or because a flight is cancelled, even though they could fly out later in the day or the following day. And oftentimes Airbnb accommodates them, they said.
Some guests have even tried to take advantage of current crisis. They've used it as an excuse to cancel accommodations and rebook nearby for less money — or tried to pressure property managers to discount their stays by threatening to do just that, said one host who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution from Airbnb.
"Talk to almost any host on Airbnb. Someone has tried to play them or take advantage of them," said Switzer. The company's policy of putting guests' needs before those of hosts, she continued, "encourages people who are dishonest or bad actors."
Many hosts depend on their income from Airbnb, a fact that the company itself has promoted. But its policies before and during the pandemic have hurt those very same property managers whom it likes to showcase, said the unnamed host.
When travelers cancel reservations, the money at stake for them is typically discretionary income; losing it won't make or break them, said the property manager, who lists several dozen properties in Southern California and the Caribbean on Airbnb. For many property managers, though, that money represents the funds they use to pay their mortgages, rent, utilities, and maintenance costs.
Every cancellation hurts. But getting hit with multiple cancellations at once and being forced to give full refunds on all of them — as has happened during this crisis — is "a game changer" for the lives of many hosts, said the host, who has lost some $200,000 in bookings due to coronavirus cancellations. While the $250 million fund will help somewhat, it would have been much more equitable if Airbnb and spread the pain around more evenly among guests, hosts and itself, the host said.
"I 100% appreciate ABB trying to rectify past wrongs," the property manager said. "But in order to ever trust Airbnb again ... they have to address their underlying [cancellation] policy."
@Huma0 Thanks for posting that. It's the first article I've seen that talks about many of the ways that Airbnb screws hosts around. The only part of the article that's really misleading is that it gives the false impression that all Airbnbs are run by property managers. If it had pointed out that many hosts are just individuals who list private rooms in their homes, or another dwelling on their property, who do all the work themselves, and may be retired people trying to supplemant their meager pension, single parents, or just a single person (or a couple) like you, I think people would tend to be a lot more sympathetic.
Yes, this is the problem I have with most of the coverage I have seen on Airbnb in general, not just this issue. I wonder what percentage of Airbnb hosts fall into the category you mention above versus property managers. I would be interested to know that statistic if it is out there.
I guess the journalist might be referring to 'property managers' as a general term, but it does lead one to think that Airbnb hosts are all running big businesses. The other reason is probably that a publication like Business Insider is going to be more interested in businesses and large figure sums than the small time host. I get that, but the news media seems to take exactly the same approach. What's their excuse? Guess it just makes a better story.
Unfortunately, human beings often have a tendency towards jealousy and to want to bring down those they perceive to be doing better than them. So, most people prefer to think of Airbnb hosts as wealthy, money grabbing, making easy money at the expense of others etc.
I have seen the same sort of attitude towards models. Most people think they are all making loads of money for doing nothing other than looking pretty + that they are all stupid. Having worked in the fashion industry for 13 years, I know this to be far from the truth, but you can't convince someone outside of it otherwise.
People believe what they want to believe, what makes them feel better about themselves and their lives. They are less interested in the truth.
Here is another article about how the covid-19 EC policy has affected hosts - focusing on hosts in S.Korea.
http://www.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20200325000652
Personally.... I sympathize with anyone facing financial difficulties due to covid-19..... but if one decides to do business illegally..... then usually there are consequences, one way or another. A lot of people operating illegally usually don't report their earnings transparently which means they skim off on taxes or manage to pay way less than what they SHOULD be paying on their 4 basic social insurances (national pension/health/employment/industrial accident comp) - meaning they end up making themselves *not eligible* for certain benefits when hard times hit. Of course, I understand this is not always the case and it's not always black and white...... but still, food for thought.
Really interesting article and good to see one that focuses in detail on small time hosts.
I didn't realise the restrictions in Korea though. So, it's fine to be a home host to foreigners but not locals if you live in an urban area?
I don't remember where I read it..... but an article I read way back when I first started hosting explained that STR-ing to locals should be seen as providing an alternative to local motels/hotels/residence hotels without having to meet the necessary safety/fire & legal regulations for providing short term accommodations to the general public.
Whereas, being a home-host, only to foreigners with a spare room or two in your main residence was seen more as providing a cultural homestay "live like a local" experience to foreigners who would normally not have the opportunity to see how most Koreans lived.
Unfortunately, the majority of Airbnb's in Korea are illegal so hosts get little sympathy during hard times. Due to the bad image, I always tell my guests that if they happen to have a conversation with another resident, we'd appreciate if they use the word "homestay" or "homeshare" rather than "Airbnb" because most Koreans tend to automatically think "illegal rentals" when they hear Airbnb is happening where they live. But hearing that a neighbor is doing "homestay" for foreigners is perfectly fine and sometimes even envied (in a good way).
Here are a few more articles I thought were interesting to read.
https://www.ft.com/content/9d092b78-7045-11ea-89df-41bea055720b