A Stove....

[Emiel1]

One of the amenities listed under kitchen is a Stove. I looked up on Internet the definition of a Stove.

But there seems confusion about it : is it a cooking device with or without an oven or can it be both  ?

In my kitchen is a cooking device, supplied by gas with 4 places for a pan.

In Dutch it is called "kookplaat", which Google translates as "Cooker".

On the Dutch Airbnb website the "Stove" amenity  is called a "Fornuis".

But a "Fornuis" is a device for cooking facilities AND and a built in oven underneath.

I am confused.....

[Colleen253]

@Emiel1  Hmmm. To me, a “stove” is an oven with a 4 burner cooktop and can be either gas or electric. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full size oven without a cooktop attached, but I know you can get small counter top ovens and cooktops/cookplates that are single appliances. I would say “fornuis” matches with what a “stove” is 

[Alexandra316]

@Emiel1 I agree it's confusing, and I think it's s a bit tricky. Most North Americans would think of a standard stove here, which has a built-in oven. I know that in Europe, often the stovetop and oven are separate pieces, and although that happens here too, it's less common. Airbnb does separate Stove and Oven as checkboxes on the list of amenities, as you've noted, but I can see how it could easily lead to confusion. 

I have a stove with built-in oven and I checked both boxes, just to be sure. 

[Debra300]

@Emiel1,

The word "cooker" is more of a British term.  In the US, if the burners (usually 2 or 4) are separate from the oven, it's called a "cooktop".  Most of them are built into the countertop.  A common term for a portable cooktop is "hot plate" (usually 1 or 2 burners).  

[Emiel1]

@Debra300 

A "cooktop" seems indeed to be most close to what a "kookplaat" is in Dutch (if I google images on "cooktop").  But such an amenity is not listed. Only Stove and Oven, so my kitchen has everything to cook with, but according Airbnb nothing to cook on. ;>)

[Colleen253]

@Emiel1 Yes, it sounds like what you have is a cooktop, as Debra describes. Your kitchen is cook only, no bake or roast? You would think, with all the recent faffing about with the new micro-detailed amenities lists, they could add in 'cooktop'! They managed to add a check box for 'piano'. 🙄

[Emiel1]

@Colleen253 

I even noticed, after not having looked at the amenities list for a while, some amenities have extra options to provide details, like the Brand of the refrigerator (are people interested in it ? ) or the material the bedlinen is made of !

For the piano i would suggest to choose if it is real (acoustic) one or an electric one.. :>)

best regards,

Emiel

[Debra300]

@Emiel1,

Currently, it appears that the extra details for amenities are not displayed on the listing pages.  @Ann72 stated in another conversation that she believes these items are part of Airbnb's initiative to verify all listing globally.

[Debra300]

@Emiel1,

Like @Alexandra316, I checked both boxes for stove and oven for my apartements, because they have kitchen ranges (also called stoves).  We are going to renovate our guest rooms by adding kitchenettes with portable 2-burner induction cooktops, and small toaster ovens.  Since there aren't any options for either of these appliances, I will select stove, and make sure to clearly state in the photo tags and the details page what's really offered.  

I chose this one, because:

- The countertops in each room will only be between 6 ft. and 2 meters, and the cooktop is 2 ft/61 cm.  I didn't want to permanently take up some space with an installed cooktop.

- I tried the domino style cooktops, but didn't like reaching over the front hot pot to get to the pan in the back.

- It is slanted control front makes it more difficult to accidentally turn off/change the temperature while cooking compared to a flat cooktop.

- It's easy to replace or swap with another room's unit if one gets damaged or becomes dysfunctional.  Plus, I don't have to worry about matching the size of a countertop cut out.

[Ann72]

@Emiel1   A recipe would never use the terms interchangeably. 

[Sarah977]

@Emiel1  I think it really depends on where in the world you are. In Canada, a stove means an appliance that has a 4-6 burner stovetop and an oven. A cooktop is something set into the counter with burners. 

Here in Mexico, an "estufa" can come with or without an oven. Very confusing for an international platform, sort of like a king, queen, double bed being different sizes in different countries.

If I were you, I'd just be really clear in the body of the listing text as to what exactly you have, in addition to whatever you think most fits in the amenities section. If you have no oven say "NO OVEN".

And if any guests complain, all you have to say is "Well, that's what we Dutch call a stove and the Dutch are always right". 😜

[Jessica-and-Henry0]

@Emiel1 

In Korea a typical family home (like a 3bd apartment larger than 80m2) with a typical kitchen will have a 3~4 gas cooktop (가스렌지 = gas range), and depending on individual cooking styles and preferences either (a) a microwave and no oven (b) microwave convection oven combo or (c) microwave and toaster oven. 

For studios or 1 bedroom apartments (with smaller kitchens or just a kitchenette) it will be a 1~2 gas or induction cooktop and microwave, either no oven or maybe a small toaster oven. 

[Huma0]

I think that if stove and oven are listed separately as amenities, it would be fair to assume that the stove means whatever cooktop you have whether there is a built in oven or not. 

Just tick stove if you have a cook top.

Tick oven if you have an oven.

Tick both if you have both. 

I don't see that it matters whether the stove has a built in oven or the oven is separate. The facilities are still there.

[Emiel1]

@Huma0 

I do not own an oven, but the Dutch translation for "stove" on the Dutch Airbnb website (="fornuis") definitily implies it is a device having a "cooktop" on top en with build in oven below it.

So i expect complaining (Dutch) guests asking "where is the oven ?" when i tick amenity "fornuis"......

Therefore it would be nice if "kookplaat" (I learned in this thread it is "cooktop" in English) would be an amenitiy also.

[Huma0]

@Emiel1 

Yes, I agree it is confusing and open to interpretation. I had to ask other hosts here what 'pour over coffee' meant. I have never heard this expression before in my life, but US hosts knew what it meant straight away.