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I have read many times over how Airbnb does NOT support or stand behind their Hosts. This has now happened to me. I had a guest leave a shocking and beyond terrible review. When I opened it up, I was shocked and thought she had the wrong host. But no, she did not, since I was her first Airbnb Host.
I contacted Airbnb and asked them if anything could be done. After going back and forth for three days, the answer was the same from Airbnb. I was told this guest did not break any Airbnb Policy Guides. NOW it clearly states in those Policy Guides: "Content that is discriminatory", "Content that is illegal or that violates another person’s or entity’s rights". BUT did Airbnb see it that way, NO. They deemed it has not violated their guidelines. Salvador, the Airbnb Support person went onto say: This is because reviews help to generate an honest portrayal of the variety of experiences that our hosts and guests have with each other. Excuse me??? When and in whose books are lies considered an "honest portrayal?" In Oregon when someone puts a lie in writing on a public platform it is called Libel, which is against the law and a court offense. I pointed that out to Airbnb and included the written documentation backing that statement up. I told them that her libel was illegal and it violated my person by that lie, affecting my business and livelihood. That carried as much weight as a feather in the wind.
I sent Airbnb a list of questions to ask this guest that would have proven she out and out lied, but they would not go the extra mile for this Super Host by calling her. I even suggested they call my Co-Host or the other guest who was staying here at the time, but they did not do that either. The other guest was an 80 year old woman who did not work and had plenty of time on her hands, so when she was here, she was in the house a great deal of the time. Enough to have a very good picture of what was going on around here. Airbnb just took what was said and left the review as it was. No investigating, no fuss, no muss on their part. They just allowed me to be thrown to the wolves with that review.
This guest shared meals with me and on at least one occasion, went with me to pick out a refrigerator because she has SO much food it would not fit in my full size refrigerator in the house along with my food. We each had 1 1/2 shelves, so the refrigerator was divided evenly. We chatted daily about her job, how it was going, her family, her friends, etc.... When her booking ended and she wanted to stay longer. She really did not want to go to a hotel/motel. Unfortunately, I had another guest right behind her, but I made special arrangements for her within my home so she could stay where as she said was a place she felt safe. Why would she want to continue to stay here if what she said was true? Now I get a 2 for Communication and I find out I am prejudice about her religion, which I didn't even know she was Catholic and her race? It is obvious she did not know my whole family is Catholic and I have 4 grandchildren and 1 great-granddaughter that are 1/2 Black and a son-in-law that is fantastic and is entirely black. The rest of my family is multi-cultural as well. This family and myself are anything but prejudice.
In my opinion, she was upset because as a long-term guest you are expected to keep your room and the common areas if you use them cleaned up after yourself. She never cleaned up after herself in the Kitchen once. Finally, I showed her the crumbs that were all over the counter and floor (she ate constantly when she was here due to her hypoglycemia or so she said) and asked her if she would keep those cleaned up while I was gone for a few days. The Co-Host would be there, but since it really is the guest's responsibility to clean up after themselves, I felt alright in asking her. Plus it states in my House Rules and Manual that long-term guests get an extra discount for keeping their areas neat and tidy. When I returned, it was obvious that her agreement meant nothing, because my kitchen countertop and floor were full of crumbs. I pointed this out to her in not to happy of a tone (my bad on that) and she tried to blame it on the other guest, who left to visit relatives out of state before I left and had not come back. I told her that the other guest wasn't even here and the Co-Host did not eat in that area. I firmly believe this is where she thought I treated her like a child at her age and that manufactured into my being prejudice. I did tell her that the house rules and manual state that in them. Whereupon she told me she never read them, because there was too much to read. They are both short, so that tells me she never looked at them. Of course in her review she commented that she never saw a printed house rules, something that I will now have printed out and in that room.
Actually, I should not have gotten upset, that was wrong of me. I take pride in keeping a clean house, including my kitchen and when someone tells me they are going to do something, such as clean up after themselves, I believe them. Between being disappointed and returning to a mess, I probably spoke to harshly, but I did not yell. Still, looking back I should have been warily, because In that guest's opinion, I am not the only one prejudice. When she took her car to the car dealership in my town for repair work, she was back quickly, because that car dealership was prejudice and spoke to her rudely. Consequently, she drove 1 to 1 1/2 hours ONE way to go to a car dealership in another state. She did this twice. She also had problems at work with someone targeting her. Although she did work at a State Mental Hospital and it was one of the patience so this might not have anything to do with her believing others besides myself are prejudice.
All this would have taken to resolve my review was to speak with the guest and ask some questions about how I treated her that was prejudice? Ask some of the questions I gave them that told them all the things I did for her and with her while she stayed here. To have a bit of follow through in their research to help protect their hosts. It appears I was asking too much. They chose to not go the extra mile or go to bat for me.
Airbnb says to go to: https://www.airbnb.com/help/feedback
And enter your opinion on how this was handled and if you feel the policy needs to be changed, enter those ideas as well. Knowing many other hosts have felt as I am right now, I can't help but wonder if they had not voiced their opinion at this site. If so, either Airbnb does not read all of the feedbacks, as I was told OR they don't care enough to support their hosts and change their rules to protect us.
Thanks for listening to me vent...
Frustrated beyond frustration.
@Priscilla150 It sounds like there was lot of drama with this guest. One thing that jumped out at me in your post was "....went with me to pick out a refrigerator because she has SO much food it would not fit in my full size refrigerator".
You went shopping for a major appliance to accomodate a guest? I don't even know what to say.
There must have been red flags before you accepted her booking. Best to watch out for and heed red flags. Save yourself a world of trouble.
The refrigerator was used, but in really good condition. She had no other reviews as I was her first Airbnb stay. Other then her job not confirming her working schedule right away, there were no red flags. She seemed really nice.
@Priscilla150 I am sorry it happened to you and I hope you will have this review and rating removed .
A similar thing happened to us as well. New account, no review guests stayed, had no complaints whatsoever, we didn't hear from them during their stay. They checked out normally after 3 nights and 2 days later they requested a full refund based on false allegations and a fictional story. Before I answered they already posted their review. Of course, we declined their refund claim.
They gave us 2* overall and 1* everything else and ruined our rating. They spent too much of my time and money considering what they paid for their stay. They will probably delete this account and make a new one again. Who knows how many accounts they already had because obviously, they are familiar with Airbnb frauds.
We didn't even bother to contact Airbnb to remove their review because the rating would probably stay anyway.
It is unfair how easy one lying faker can ruin a hard-working host's business. It is not a matter IF such guest will book your place someday... it's just WHEN. And when it happens, hosts are helpless.
I totally agree with you. I am sorry for what you went through and for all other hosts that have and will bad guest experiences and reviews.
Hello Priscilla,
I think this has happened to all hosts after a while. Your guest sounds mentally imbalanced, but I have also found that guests can simply be difficult or capricious rather than simply deranged.
To give two examples -- one from last year and the other from last month -- the first guests decided that my sofa was uncomfortable and therefore rated the entire experience 1. 1! Did they think that would somehow teach me to purchase a new sofa? And last month, a woman who had left an AirBnB after one night -- and was somehow given a gift credit of 200.00 -- used it for my rental, made a series of endless demands, dangled on leaving the possibility of a partial refund because she did not like the quality of the sheets, sheets that she did not use because she always brings her own. And then, when refused, rated me a 2 -- I believe. It will take me ten ratings of 5 for my rating to return to what it was before her stay -- even though I have close to 100 ratings. The AirBnB algorithm is designed to torment hosts -- you have my sympathies.
What you can do, after the fact, is block those guests from every staying with you again, which is a slight comfort.
Hopefully, people understand that Airbnb reviews are a lot like Yelp reviews. There's rave reviews and there are angry 0 star reviews, but little in between. 0 star reviews can be unavoidable.
I get occasional 4 stars for "value" just as punishment for being in a really expensive area. If people looked on zillow to see how much homes are in this area, they wouldn't be critical of prices around here.
thanks to all for the comments in this one... I too had a guest load their review with damaging lies. Airbnb did nothing, despite me sending them LOADS of text threads contradicting what they posted. Total B.S. I wish I could get off Airbnb.
Someone mentioned red flags... I just hope other hosts read the review these folks wrote and pay attention to the red flags - they said I had a "dangerous" dirty hair dryer and mechanical can opener among other things... they were totally high maintenance and whacky.
thanks again all - totally therapeutic to see I'm not alone.
Jean5655, keep asking Airbnb and explaining things. That is what I did and I finally reached someone who was able to help me get that review reversed.
Good luck and I am very sorry.
Priscilla
@Jean5655 And yet you left these guests a review that makes them sound like good guests. Why, if they were high maintenance, did you do that?
in my newbe ignorance, I thought I had to leave a review to get a review.
i left their review before I read theirs. At the time, I didn’t want to lie. they were clean, they communicated and they honired my house rules. Those are the three questions Airbnb asks - they don’t ask about high maintenance and lying on a review.
I did say in my comments they were excessive communicators. I can handle that. I can’t tolerate lying - that was my complaint.
@Jean5655 Guests who require a lot of handholding and contact you repeatedly during a stay for every little issue should get a review which conveys that to other hosts. Reviews should mention the positives and the negatives if you experienced both with the guest. I would not understand from the communication wording that they were high maintenance.
Yes, we can only rate guests on 3 things. But the written review is meant to elaborate on those things and mention anything which doesn't fall under those categories.
As far as the review they left, you can respond to it. Your audience for a response is future guests, not the guest who wrote the review, so only use it to correct misleading things in the review in a factual, brief, and non-emotional way.
Thanks. I appreciate the guidance.