I am being extorted by a guest and air b n b refused to support me at all.

David122
Level 4
Santa Fe, NM

I am being extorted by a guest and air b n b refused to support me at all.

To cut to the chase.  The guest arrived and left within the hour 8 days ago.  This morning Air b n b  send me notice of a complete refund.  There was no reason or explanation.  There were no pictures enclosed.  I was on the phone with 4 different reps or ambassadors .  I could not understand any of the first 3 ambassadors english and the last one could not confirm any part of the conversation that we had been talking about.  They were not listening at all.  Finally a 5th ambassador got on the line and refused to send me pictures or give me any explanation.

 

I finally insisted that an American  Air b n b  ambassador become involved.  

 

What really happened is that the guests  Mother ,  daughter , and boyfriend got into an argument and made up cleanliness as an issue.  I have in my house rules that all guests much see pictures of my listing before booking and agree to booking.  My guess is that I will probably end up walking away from a $425 two night booking for fear that Air b n b  will block me from more business.  Keep in mind that I have a great track record of 5 star reviews.  This was one lousy experience with a guest.  I need some help here.

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Elena87
Level 10
СПБ, Russia

@David122 

 

It all sounds opaque. Being opaque is a known tactic when a hasty decision is made and cya mode subsequently employed.

 

First port of call before going back on the phone to airbnb is to really know the rules inside out

 

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2868/airbnb-guest-refund-policy

 

Section 3.e and 4.3 especially.

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@Elena87   

 

I just thumbed up Your post, but not for the advise You gave but for Your excellent english.

 

Your russian english is much better than some french english on here.

 

 

cc: @Branka-and-Silvia0 @Helen3 

 

 

Nina75
Level 10
LA, CA

@David122   I just refunded a $2100 dollar reservation today because the guys Fiance didn't like the "neighborhood".  I gave them a full refund with a smile, I wished them a happy vacation, and gave them some recommendations for hotels. I'm moving on with my life. May I recommend that you do the same. Don't cry over spilt milk.

@David122  Welp the house just got rebooked for the same price... well almost the same price $30 less.  I Love Karma.  Karma is so amazing...

That literally took all of 45 min for the universe to return the favor.

Inna22
Level 10
Chicago, IL

@Nina75 you overlooked the fact that OP got the notice of the refund post factum and the reservation was not cancelled. He never had a chance to rebook. He also never had a direct conversation with the guest. It was not his decision to provide good customer service based on circumstances, Airbnb just took the money from him. 

@David122 - you should reach out to Airbnb through social media, they are normally more responsive that way

 

@Inna22  ** and now 8 days later Airbnb forced a refund. The Original Poster is not giving all of the details.

If I knew that a guest didn't stay the first thing im doing is reach out to the guest and work something out with them if they are willing to talk. 

I've had AirBnb come back and take money 3 months later. So I've been in this situation before and AirBnb is going to usually side with the Guests unless you make a REALLY REALLY compelling argument.

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@Inna22 I went to Davids profile and I read the review from the guest in Question. It was very clear that they had a family emergency and left which probably fell under extenuating circumstances. The guests left a very nice non-vindictive review which he should be happy about. David offered to comp them a week instead of giving them a refund for their family emergency and obviously the guest said no they want their money back. Airbnb got involved and we all know what happens when AirBnb gets involved, yes, you are going to loose 90% of the time. 

David should have given them a refund and asked the universe for a blessing. Just like I did and the universe usually blesses  me. The universe has sent David a blessing in disguise and he knows how to handle it in the future. Give the guest a full refund and then move on with life, and wait for your blessing. Life is too short to be holding on to peoples hard earned money in these pandemic times.

@Nina75  I'm confused because David says in his post here that they had a fight and then told Airbnb the place wasn't clean in order to get a refund. Which I think is what he means by extortion, although that isn't the definition of extortion, what it is would be called scamming for a refund. They didn't cancel under the EC policy.

 

But in his review of this guest and his response to theirs, he acknowledges that it was a family emergency. As a family emergency isn't a fight, that's where I'm confused, as he says something different here in his post.

@Sarah977  Read the guests review, its a very nice review... Maybe the guests mother wasnt expecting a Dog hanging out on the furniture, maybe the mother is allergic to dogs. Cleanliness takes on many different forms. Im ok with the spiritual vibe, but maybe the mother wasn't ok with it.  

I had one of my units that was on AirBnb that had a Yoga vibe to it and I had pillows and stuff. I had so many cancellations because of Clutter, that I eventually just got rid of all of the extra stuff and I made it super basic. So, BASED ON THE PRIMARY GUESTS REVIEW SHE LIKED IT, but obviously other family members were not as enthused, AGAIN MAYBE IT WAS THE DOG. I DONT KNOW. Maybe the mother was allergic to dogs which is why they had such a quick exit.

HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LADY A REFUND AND LET THE UNIVERSE BLESS HIM.

@Nina75  I'll agree with you on the clutter point. His listings are certainly eclectic and full of interesting stuff, which normally appeals to me far more than generic looking places, but I don't see any way that a place with that amount of stuff on every surface and the floor could possibly be thoroughly cleaned between guests. The listings look like someone lives there full time and just vacated for the booking. 50% of that stuff could be removed and it would still be too full for my taste.

 

However, if cleanliness was these guests' issue, why did they not honestly tell him that was why they were leaving. Telling him it's a family emergency and then reporting to Airbnb that it was a cleanliness issue, if that is really what happened, isn't okay.

 

I also have the attitude that it's best to just refund unhappy guests and move on, but not all hosts do, and I don't think telling other hosts they should always refund guests, as if that's always the proper thing to do, is my call. 

 

When we weren't present to know exactly what and how something went down, we don't necessarily know how we would have handled it had it happened to us. There are plenty of guests who make up a reason to leave right after arriving in order to get refunded, when what really is going on is that they were offered another place tp stay for free with a friend or relative. We can't keep refunding all these guests- it just emboldens them to continue doing this to other hosts.

 


@Sarah977 wrote:

However, if cleanliness was these guests' issue, why did they not honestly tell him that was why they were leaving. Telling him it's a family emergency and then reporting to Airbnb that it was a cleanliness issue, if that is really what happened, isn't okay.


@Sarah977  Maybe they told him, and he didn't want to hear it.




@Sarah977 wrote:

I also have the attitude that it's best to just refund unhappy guests and move on, but not all hosts do, and I don't think telling other hosts they should always refund guests, as if that's always the proper thing to do, is my call. 

Stop making this about you.... This isn't about you. Each situation is different, and its really a case by case basis. But I've found that I have Unique properties and great reviews and people Love staying at clean unique places that are a great value.  

@Nina75 ??? Making it about me? You are advising the host to take the same attitude you have-  "HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LADY A REFUND AND LET THE UNIVERSE BLESS HIM."

 

Making it about you and your beliefs is what you've been doing in your replies here. 

 

I did the opposite-I said I wasn't there and it isn't my place to judge another host for being upset about a guest 

being given a refund who arrived and left right away, because I have no idea why they really left, nor do you.

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Can someone please tell me where the Extortion is???