Airbnb Host Desperately Need Help

Hadrian1
Level 8
Los Angeles, CA

Airbnb Host Desperately Need Help

Hi. I am a super host with over 4000 reviews.

 

I am a professional host and I make a living by managing Airbnb rentals.

It has been a hard year for everyone, especially when you make a living from Airbnb.

 

The worst part is, Airbnb supposed to be your ally and assist you. But Airbnb reps only listen to the guest and never even gave me the opportunity for a fair trial. I have requested to speak to my supervisor many times, and never got replied.

 

I give you few examples:

1. A guest claimed that he got bit by bed bugs in my home. The guest submitted a doctor's note to Airbnb showing that the guest got bit by an insect. Without consulting me, the guest was awarded a full refund and my listing was deactivated. I had to call the pest control company to provide an inspection (at my cost) and show that my property is clear from bed bugs and insects. But regardless, the guest has been fully refunded. The guest could have gotten bit by anything. An insect bite can be fleas, ticks, mosquitos, and the guest can bit anywhere, in the park, on the grass, etc. It is unfair that the guest got a full refund by this allegation.

 

2. A guest book a room for his son. The son used drugs in our home and invite homeless people to the house. We got threatened by the homeless/criminal that he does not want to leave. We called the mother who is in another country. The mother apologized and admitted on the AIRBNB APP that the son has a substance abuse problem. We had to call the police and change all the locks in the house. We submit a resolution request for damages two days later which the mother refused to pay. We escalate the matter to Airbnb and Airbnb replied: because we accepted other guests in the house it was hard to determine who invited the homeless. For that reason, the reps say it is against Airbnb policy to claim the insurance. The rep then closed the case. Once your case is closed, you can not even communicate with the rep anymore. It is unfair and the denial excuse does not make any sense. The mother admitted all fault that was done by her son on the Airbnb app.

 

3. A trans woman booked to stay in our home. This person invited unauthorized guest, smokes marijuana inside the room and smell the whole house, get drunk, pee on the floor, and start being hostile, and much more. We called the police but the police will not remove the guest until the reservation got canceled. We called Airbnb and I was put on hold for over one hour and thirty minutes and the call got disconnected. We called Airbnb again, and the support ambassador could not help unless putting us on hold again until a case manager or someone from trust and safety team picks up the phone. The immediate action that the support ambassador could do is to do cancellation by host. Because the situation with the guest escalated and the police could not act until the reservation got cancelled, we had no choice to agree. We prioritized our safety and the other guest's safety. The guest was refunded in full and our calendar was blocked. To put more salts to the wound, the Airbnb rep contacted us because we call the guest with the pronoun "he", we discriminated against a Trans Woman and my account is being noted for violation. This person has a male gender name, masculine look, and in the heat of argument we call her by "he".  I tried to explain to the rep that I am a gay man and we don't have any intention to discriminate. I ask the Airbnb rep to consider the whole situation and he replied essentially say it does not matter what the guest did nor how she behaved in the house, but the fact that we mistakenly call him by a he was enough for us to be penalized. 

 

4. A guest claimed that our room has an odor. The guest contacted the Airbnb rep asking for a full refund after 5 night stays and the Rep immediately sent us an email saying that we are in violation for not providing a cleanroom. I told the rep why did the guest had to wait for 5 nights and then ask for a refund? We asked if we can go to the room to check the source of the odor and the guest refused. We have 5 stars average rating in cleanliness. The guest has 0 reviews. I asked the rep to be fair to us and to our reputation history. The rep replied cockily that we are in violation and that his decision was final. I told the rep if the room truly has an odor why are we not allowed to check the room? The rep then added a new allegation saying that we lied about our amenity and that we did not provide internet service. I said that is not true. I sent a screenshot of our internet speed. I also ask the rep to contact our other Airbnb guests in the same property to see if they can connect to our wifi. No one has an issue connecting to our wifi. We offered to help the guest connect to the wifi in which the guest refused. If the guest truly has a wifi issue, why are we not allowed to help? But regardless, Airbnb noted our account again for violation in cleanliness and no internet. I requested to speak to a supervisor, and until today, no replied.

 

I have much much more stories where we, the host, with over 4000 reviews and have hosted 6000 guests treated like garbage by Airbnb reps. Every week a new insult and humiliation by Airbnb reps. Airbnb rep continues to become our prosecutors and the judge. The host is not given a chance for a fair trial. Airbnb reps can simply close the case and your communication stop. I have advocated for Airbnb. We are a responsible host that follow the law, respect our neighbors, and only try to make a living. I don't understand why Airbnb treated us so poorly.

 

I am desperate. I have multiple jobs, and my primary income is doing Airbnb. But there is only so much more I can take from Airbnb reps. Thank you for reading my post. Please if you know anyone that can provide justice to me, please let me know. Thank you.

 

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@Colleen253 Thank you so much for reading and believing my story. Thank you for the support. I hope someone from Airbnb will also ready my story and do something.

If I can do any other job, I would. But I don't even know how I can stop relying on Airbnb since I am so much in debt from hosting. Many lost reservations during covid, I never got any help that was promised.

Helen3
Top Contributor
Bristol, United Kingdom

What did you do before you did STR property management.

 

you are right STR is a risky market to rely on your income for - particularly in the current climate . 

@Helen3 I was a waiter for a long long time. And then I joined the US Army. After I got out, I got my citizenship and moved to California. I started waiting table again. I also tried many things and I failed. I started Airbnb my living room, and I made enough money to pay my rent. That is when I realized that I love making new friends from all over the world, showing them LA, be their tour guide sometimes. So I started doing this full time. My landlord see that I am doing well and start giving me more apartments to manage, and then he introduced me to other landlords, so then I grew from my own living room to 88 listings. 

 

But most of my landlords are old, some don't use computers at all. They don't believe me when I told them a guest get a full refund for claiming odor, the bed bug, etc. and the fact that Airbnb did not bother to check at all. I don't want them to think that I pocket the money myself. So often, I am forced to pay when I can not justify the refund was done by Airbnb without my consent. 

@Hadrian1  We are lucky when we find something we are good at and love to do, and can actually get paid to do it. It sounds like you found your niche. But if I were you, I would drop the properties where the owners have zero understanding of how unreasonable Airbnb can be to work with and expect you to pay them out of your own pocket if Airbnb grants a guest a refund through no fault of your own.

 

Gradually let these homeowners go while picking up new ones who appreciate you and are aware of Airbnb's guest-centric ways and horrid customer service towards hosts.

 

And keep in mind that perhaps earning a little less money by having fewer properties might be balanced out by having less stress in your life, not to mention not having to pay the owners for the booking if Airbnb unfairly refunds.

 

If you love hosting and managing properties, don't work for people who turn it into a job you don't enjoy so much anymore. Let them find someone else to take advantage of. And don't accept any more hosting jobs without a clear contract that makes it clear you won't be paying out of your  pocket if Airbnb grants a refund, unless it can be proven that the refund was due to your own negligence, which isn't likely.  You seem like the kind of guy who would take responsibilty if a guest deserved a refund because of something you screwed up on.

@Sarah977 thank you for your advice and wisdom. I really appreciate you taking the time to give me some constructive suggestions. I do agree and will implement a gradual downsizing. 

 

Helen350
Level 10
Whitehaven, United Kingdom

That situation with the "wrong pronoun" is ridiculous! - We should all be free to use whichever pronoun we feel most  comfortable with.... OK, in your case @Hadrian1 , it was a slip of the tongue; but how can one human force another to lie, against their conscience, on pain of punishment? 😭

 

 

@Helen350 Thank you for your understanding. I start to think that I am wrong. It was a slip of tongue and when the guest corrected me to use "she", I apologized. But she looks like a guy, her name is a guy, and I have no intention at all to discriminated against her. And honestly, English is my second language. In the heat of the moment, when I was arguing with the guest because she was breaking all the house rules (unauthorized visitors, smoking inside the house, drunk behavior, peeing on the floor), I called him he. And that is all that matters for the Airbnb reps.

Helen350
Level 10
Whitehaven, United Kingdom

@Hadrian1 It would ONLY be 'discrimination' if you refused to host him because of his prefered pronoun. Or it would be discrimination if you evicted him because of his prefered pronoun.

Using a pronoun YOU find natural, where the object of the pronoun may beg to differ is NOT 'discrimination'; it is something else! - A difference of opinion, or perception, perhaps?

 

Evicting because of bad behaviour; drunkenness, peeing on floor, unauthorized visitors is allowed. 

 

We have a saying in the UK "If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!

 

If men want to be addressed as 'she' or 'her', well, they can ask! But no organisation, be it government, law, police nor Airbnb should DEMAND that others go along with this! NOBODY should be co-erced into expressing an opinion with which they disagree, and certainly not on pain of punishment!

 

Many people are uncomfortable at any coersion into calling a man 'she'. When asked to do this we need to weigh up the need for personal integrity & truth telling versus our desire to be sensitive and not cause offence. When we feel uncomfortable at being coerced into calling a man 'she', we can always use 'they' instead...? A good compromise, which maintains integrity, I would like to think...

Mary996
Level 10
Swansea, United Kingdom

@Helen350 

I really appreciate you raising this. The Feminist position is to resist male intrusion, specifically into Women-Only space, courteously, but definitively.

I offer two types of space: one mixed the other Women Only. 

@Hadrian1 

I'm so sorry that you've had this experience. I feel that we are taking more control in positively influencing our Agents. What outcome would you like to see? I do like the really positive suggestions made above. If you have fewer properties and more control you will do well and perhaps relations will improve with our Agents and in turn you will be able to direct them (and not the other way around) in both friendly and positive ways ?

Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

@Helen350 "We should all be free to use whichever pronoun we feel most  comfortable with...."

 

Not sure what you mean by that, but people who are trans, intersex, and whatever other variations on gender identification are out there, seem pretty sensitive about being addressed with the pronoun of their choice and others should respect that.

 

But certainly the Airbnb rep was totally out of line to characterize Hadrian's slip of the tongue, confusion as to how the guest prefers to be referred to, or whatever it was, as discrimination. And unless a guest specifically told a host what pronoun they wished to be used, a host wouldn't even necessarily know, anymore than they'd know the guest's religious beliefs or their specific ethnic heritage.

Just ridiculous.

Helen350
Level 10
Whitehaven, United Kingdom

@Sarah977  "people ... seem pretty sensitive about being addressed with the pronoun of their choice and others should respect that." 

 

Some people are pretty sensitive about not being forced or coerced, on pain of punishment, into telling lies, and others should respect that.

@Helen350 I hope you're not saying what I think you are. 

Helen350
Level 10
Whitehaven, United Kingdom

No one should bully others into telling untruths. No one should bully others in regards to what to think. Free speech used to be cherished in Britain, sadly it is now under threat by the thought police.

I will henceforth refer to @Helen350  solely with the pronoun it, and if it objects it can take that matter up with the Thought Police.

Helen350
Level 10
Whitehaven, United Kingdom

But I AM a woman @Anonymous , so it WOULD be an act of aggression to call me 'it', when I am clearly female, and have not pretended otherwise,  whereas Hadrien's guest was actually a man! My point was that it is reasonable to think of someone who looks male and has a male name as a man!  As no one can ACTUALLY change sex/gender, even if they would wish to. As plenty of scientific opinion testifies. So if you're convinced someone 's male, you're going to use 'he' & 'him' or experience cognitive dissonance. (I was brought up not to call my Aunt's husband 'uncle', cos he was no blood relation, therefore not technically my uncle.... that's where I'm coming from.)

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