AirBnB "Specialist" demanding we pay for damages we didn't cause!

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

AirBnB "Specialist" demanding we pay for damages we didn't cause!

Hi, 

 

We recently stayed at a beautiful villa. While there, there was an accident and a plant pot around the pool (super heavy one) was knocked over and went into the pool. This caused the plant pot to crack, and soil to come out and float all round the pool. We all felt awful and spent the penultimate day of the holiday trying to clean the pool, and scrubbing the entire villa clean. However despite various nets etc. we tried using, we couldn't get the soil out because it was too small and went through the nets; it was like dust. 

 

While also there, the host had left bleach on the ground by the poolside. This cause multiple of the towels (provided), bedding (provided) and the girls bikinis to become bleached when they feel off the railing onto the bleach (we didnt know it was bleach until things landed it in, and became ruined). 

 

We left the villa at 8am, and new guests moved in at 12 noon that day. Upon checkout we immediately notified the host's keyholder about the pool and damages. The following day, the host requested we paid 686€. (500€ cracked tile, 50€ IKEA towel + bedding, 50€ clean the pool + pool water lost, 84€ plant pot). As stated by the hosts the costs were all "estimates" and "it may be lower". 

 

This was the first we had seen of the damaged and cracked tile. With 8 of us looking for damage, and spending the entire penultimate day scrubbing the poolside, walls (dirty, not by us, but we wanted to make things look nicer as a sorry), cleaning villa etc. I think someone would have very clearly and easily seen this crack. I think the more likely story, is that it was caused when they tried to replace the plant pot (it was heavy and took 3 of us to lift it out the pool) 

 

Not only did we feel like that kind of damage should be covered by insurance anyway, but we'd already paid a £237.49 cleaning fee upfront, so didnt see why we should pay a further 50€ cleaning fee for the pool. The bedding + towels (of which its the hosts fault is damaged in our eyes - along with our swimwear) cost £4.84 from IKEA -> not 50€. The 500€ was an "estimate". We of course decline this payment with a very polite message to the host. 

 

The host immediately responded the following day stating her husband received an email about the damaged tile, stating "it will probably cost around 250€ as opposed to 500€". It literally halved the minute we refused to pay without receipts. 

 

56 days after the booking ended, the host opened the resolution centre and we got an email from a specialist called Melania. She stated she would gather information from both parties and make a decision on the case. She stated shed gather information from the host first and get back to us. 

 

In the meantime, we did some research about security deposits, and discovered via the support centre that the reservation had no security deposit. 

 

Anyway, yesterday (while still waiting to be contacted for our side of the story), we received an email back from the specialist. The email stated, in summary;

"Hi, 

You will have to pay X,Y,Z = 484€. Until you pay, your airBnB account has been deactivated. 

Regards,

Melania"

 

We were all a bit shocked. We were still waiting for the specialist to get in contact. I should also mention here that we were impatient and tried calling the support centre multiple times over the few weeks before receiving this email trying to get ahold of Melania. Support were useless and said they could not pass us through to the speciliast and that we would have to wait for a call!

 

So, that leads us to today. We have been demanded to pay 484€ on damages we do not think are fair, and the account the booking was made from has been deactivated until we pay the sum. 

 

So, I would like to know: 

1) Where do I go from here? We can't dispute if the account is deactivated? 

2) Can we be forced to pay for these damages? There is no security deposit, and the host is trying to rip us off. the £4.84 link for towel on the 50€ charge and extra cleaning fee + pool water fee of 50€ is proof enough of that

 

Thanks for all your help, 

Ryan 

76 Replies 76

You can certainly make a counter claim if you have photos and receipts for the swim suits.


So, if I understand you...you're saying that the swimsuits got bleach stains on the first day, and you then chose to dry out the towels and bedding in the exact same spot where the suits were bleached?  Is that it?   A little strange.

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

Mark, you're a very ignorant man that seems to be out to argue with everything. Please dont comment on my thread again. 

 

In response, no, because im not a moron. The girls obviously didnt notice the bleach marks until they were wearing them. Do you inspect every single item when you put it away after leaving it out to dry? What a ridiculous comment. 

Victoria567
Level 10
Scotland, United Kingdom

Hello @Ryan520

By all means make a claim for your swimwear.

 

As a mother myself when my kids were babies, I always took full, personal responsibility for their safety......so if for example there was something like bleach lying around I would have swiftly personally removed it, whether I, or someone else had stupidly left it lying there. 

 

What happened to personal responsibility regarding the welfare and safety of ones own offspring?

Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

@Ryan520   If I take your story at face value, it sounds like you did make valiant efforts to clean up and deal with the damage, but sorry- you started off saying there was an "accident". Huge heavy pots full of soil don't just fall over by themselves and you'd have to be being quite rambunctious and maybe all had a few too many (?) That's not an "accident". In other words, a bunch of supposed "adults", old enough to book an Airbnb, but not mature enough to take responsibility for your behavior. Trying to clean it up wasn't done out of respect, as far as I can tell, it was done so you wouldn't have to pay up. As evidenced by the fact that when you are now being required to pay up, you don't want to, just because you don't see a security deposit listed.

When guests damage something, they need to immediately contact the host to report it, and it is the host's call as to how it is dealt with, not the guest's. Guests spill things on bedding or towels or carpets and try to "clean" it, resulting more often than not in the items having to be tossed in the garbage, and the guest being charged for the damage, whereas the host has cleaning methods they use that may work just fine to get it back to looking fine, had they been informed right away.

Man up, act like an adult, and split the damage payment between yourself and all your party friends. It's not an unreasonable charge at all. Probably less than the host will actually be out-of-pocket to repair and replace.

 

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

Please see my replies to other comments and get back to us. All is explained. 

Emily140
Level 10
St Helena, CA

OMG, a potted plant ("super heavy one") was dumped into the pool?  Entire thing?  Seriously?  I have a couple of comments for you:

(1)  Call the host/keyholder immediately to get the pool guy out to deal with that, way over guest pay grade or expertise to deal with an entire pot of dirt in the pool, could do real damage to the filtration system!  If that happened with my house, and you let me have the pool guy handle it immediately, I'd probably only charge you for replacing the pot, maybe the extra pool-guy service call, but not more; I would be grateful for the opportunity to immediately protect my asset.

(2) I doubt there was bleach pooled on the deck.  Probably just chlorinated water, maybe a larger pool had evaporated and left high chlorine levels in remaining water.  Or it was where pool guy mixed up some chlorine for water treatment...

(3) You think host insurance should pay for this?  Really?  Insurance is for random acts of nature.  When you oops, you show humility and apologize and pay promptly.  It is what it is.  People let you use their home.  Imagine if that was your home, your mom's home...

(4) The faster you call and offer to cover the cost, the more reasonable the host is going to be in helping to minimize that cost.

(5) WOW, an Airbnb Specialist actually charged a guest for damages, now this is heartwarming for hosts out there. 

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

Clearly, you're a host so you're going to be biased anyway. Theres no need for me to reply to this ignorant post, please see responses to your question in my comments to the other hosts that have replied on here. 

Sandra126
Level 10
Daylesford, Australia

@Ryan520, hosts can also be guests.

Victoria567
Level 10
Scotland, United Kingdom

Yes I am a host and I am also a guest.....and Inleave thevplace exactly as I found it and I do not ask for extras etc.

 

@Ryan520  There are many threads on this forum where guests write in about being treated unfairly and the hosts agree with them and advise them how to deal with Airbnb in order to dispute a damage claim, etc. because the host was clearly responsible for the problem. In your case, you didn't get the support you were hoping for because you are responsible for the damage.

 

I believe the majority of hosts want to see decent guest and host behavior on the platform and consider each case on its own specifics. Hosts are not "clearly biased" simply because they are hosts.

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

 

If a host causes damage to her own property, she should accept it and fix it. Not try to pin it on guests to make the most of them as is the case here. 

 

 

As for other posts, I've seen loads like mine, all just left unanswered, with most answers stating that if there is no security deposit set then its up the guests goodwill whether they pay or not, and the host should have things covered by insurance because thats the risk you take when renting out. 

 

 

Victoria567
Level 10
Scotland, United Kingdom

Yes @Ryan0

Holiday insurance is a great idea for any holiday maker and house insurance for running a business from home is a great idea for the host 

@Ryan520   You might want to take a look at this post, where a guest is asking if he should be entitled to refund and ALL the hosts supported the guest, not the host.

 

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/No-water-in-property-refund/m-p/815745#M196510

Kathie21
Level 10
England, United Kingdom

@Ryan520     Even if the bedding and towels together cost less than $5 (seems unlikely), either someone has to drive to IKEA  (for me that would be a 2-hour trip) or they have to pay delivery charges on top.  Why was the bedding out by the pool anyway? 

 

Even if the host has an insurance policy that covers the damage, they will still be out of pocket for the excess (could easily be a $500 excess on a home policy) and their future premiums will go up.  How about YOU claim on your homeowners policy? - they usually include 3rd party liability cover.  That's what covered me when I acidentally caused damage to someone's property.  Or if you are not a homeowner you surely have a liability cover as a separate policy if you are a responsible kind of person.

 

For the damage you caused and your irresponsibility in not notifying the host straight away,  I'd say you are getting off VERY lightly.

Ryan520
Level 2
Nottingham, United Kingdom

The bedding was put out to dry around the pool. From being wet and laying in wet towels on the bed after showering, it was wet and left out to dry. 

 

As mentioned in other replies, it happened late on a Wednesday, the Host lives in a different country to the property and so has a keyholder; we couldnt get hold of either of them on the thursday, and we checked out early friday morning. We knew it would leave little time for them, which is why we wasted a day of our holiday trying to clean up the place! 

 

As for the bedding and towels; Are you a mother? Imagine your child was crawling around the poolside and crawled through bleach, maybe got bleach in their mouth, or eye? Could easily have happened, would you be accepting of being overcharged on bedding and towel damaged caused by the host while your child was in hospital? Cmon now.