PLEASE HELP! AirBnb Ridiculous Extenuating Circumstance Policy - Super Host Here - FRAUD!

Eric-and-Brooke0
Level 4
Saint Petersburg, FL

PLEASE HELP! AirBnb Ridiculous Extenuating Circumstance Policy - Super Host Here - FRAUD!

Hey everyone!  We are trying to reach out to other hosts to help us with a situation we are currently dealing with.  We are Super Hosts and have a strict cancellation policy in place due to several instances in the past where guests have canceled last minute and we were not able to re-book those dates.  We are consistently 95% booked all year round, hence the strict cancellation policy.  We had a guest book $1450 worth of dates but then cancel well beyond our strict cancellation window.  The guest was refunded half of the reservation per our strict cancelation policy.  He then reached out to me asking for a full refund.  I told him that I would consider this request IF we were able to re-book those dates with other guests.  The dates that he originally booked were the only open dates over a 3 month span and we were not able to re-book due to it being a last minute cancellation. So instead of being out $1450, we were out $725.  The guest still requested we give him the remaining refund because he had to cancel this reservation because a continuous education class he was going to attend was cancelled.  I appologized to the guest, but told him that I think it is fair that we split the difference because I was unable to book these dates, and was still ultimately losing money because of his cancellation.  The guest then escalated the case to Airbnb.  

 

I received a phone call almost 2 months after this reservation from an Airbnb representative stating the guest is still requesting the full refund.  I stated that this was almost 2 months ago and had no idea this was even still an issue because 1.) the guest agreed that a full refund would be considered if I booked those dates, 2.) I was protected by the strict cancellation policy, and 3.) the amount of time that has passed.  The representative (Hazzle) was extremely RUDE, unprofessional, arguementative, and tried to coerce me into refunding the guest throughout the entire conversation.  She was trying to put words into my mouth the entire conversation and was using intimadation techniques stating that it is our obligation to refund the guest and repeating that a "real" super host would "do the right thing and issue the refund."  Rather than trying to understand our point of view and hear both sides of the story, she was one sided the entire conversation even though we are the SUPER HOSTS and this guest had 0 reviews.  Why would she only be concerned with making the guest happy and not a host that has been a super host for over a year?!  I thought splitting the difference 50/50 was more than fair instead of 100% in either direction.  I told her that I was willing to work with the guest even though I did not technically  have to IF we booked those dates.  She continued to put pressure on me throughout the conversation but ulitmately told me it was up to me, but that she had confidence that I would make the "right" decsision and do the "right" thing, as any other super host would. 

 

A couple of weeks later I get an EMAIL stating that Airbnb had ruled in the guest's favor and issued the guest a full refund.  I immediately responded asking Hazzle for an explanation, and she replied via email that the guest provided appropriate paperwork that fell into the extenuating circumstances clause (which supercedes the strict cancellation policy).  This was the same documentation that was submitted weeks ago when the orignal case was open at the same time I spoke with her over the phone, and she did not mention anything at that time about the documentation qualifying for the extenuating circumstances clasue. Furthermore, the document provided by the guest was simply a generic letter stating the employer canceled the continous classes and apologizing for any inconveninces this may have caused the employees.  The employer in this case is the Canadian government and the guest was traveling to Florida for the class.  I immediately replied to Hazzle's response asking her to please call me to discuss the situation over the phone and at least offer me an explanation of why she felt it qualified as an exenuating circumstance.  She replied that she is disengaging from this email chain and refused to call me stating that the decision was already made and was now irreversible.  I replied back immediately asking her one more time to please give me a call and that it is extremely unprofessional to just make a decision via email and not honor my request to speak with her over the phone regarding the matter.  I called the Airbnb superhost hotline right away requesting to speak to a manager/supervisor and was told nobody was around and that someone would call me back.  Fast forward 5 days later and 3 call backs by me and I can not get a supervisor to even call me back.  Keep in mind that the government paid for the guest's trip and the trip that he had to re-book at a later date so the guest was NEVER out of pocket for anything.  The money that he received as a refund from this booking went directly into his pocket and then booked other dates at a future time that the government paid for.  So the guest personally profited $1450 and we are out $1450.  

 

I am absolutely appalled that this is how Airbnb is treating Super hosts, or any hosts for that matter.  Why do we have cancellation policies?  Why do we bother doing everything we can to go above and beyond for our guests and earn super host status when this company does not have our back?  Why should someone that is employed by the government have special privileges and our cancelation polices do not apply to them.  Does this mean I should never accept a government employee's reservation since they are above the law?  Now, I feel as though their inadequate system is encouraging discrimination, which goes against my personal beliefs and the mission statement Airbnb has clearly laid out to all hosts across the world. It is not fair that government employees and military personnel get this special treatment. If I booked an Airbnb with a strict cancellation policy for a work conference in California for my job but I cancel a few days before because of a work conflict, would this too fall under their extenuating circumstances policy (if I was able to provide documentation stating that my employer changed the travel dates)? Or did this guest receive preferential treatment because he happend to be a government/military employee? I've read through the extenuating circumstances policy and the list of reasons that qualify does not include anything about work conflicts. The types of circumstances that they outline in the written policy and deem valid include (and are limited to): -Unexpected death or serious illness of a host, guest, or immediate family member, -Serious injury that directly restricts a guest's ability to travel, - Significant natural disasters or severe weather incidents impacting the location of destination or location of departure, -Urgent travel restrictions or severe security advisories issued after the time of booking, by an appropriate nation or internation authority, -Endemic disease declared by a credible national or internation authority, -Severe property damage or unforseen maintenance issues that directly impact the ability to host safely, -Government-mandated obligations issued after the time of booking (ex: jury duty).

 

We rely on this income to help pay our mortgage and it is absurd that AirBnb would do this to a host that has represented their company in a very professional and positive manner.  I apologize for the lengthly post and we really appreciate any help or insight from other hosts.  I am not going to give up until this matter is resolved.  Thank you!

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Jean, what you said about feeling Pressured/intimidated hit home to me. When you are a host that has a lot of listings,  the EC policy can actually be quite costly over the course of time.

 

Negotiating something with the guest is not a bad idea but, like you said before feeling pressured and obligated and insecure about your business, is the opposite of what you should feel on this site. Host and guest should be  treated equally.  I would be interested though to learn of what kind of negotiating you have done with your guest and if it was successful or not. 

 

 I have thought of a number of ideas that maybe the community can comment on: 

 

The first potential solution would be a fee that could be charged upon confirming the reservation. This will allow the host to at least retain some sort of income in case of an unfair cancellation. I know that you have to justify your fees on Airbnb and taking fees outside of the Airbnb system is against the rules so this would have to be done creatively within the boundaries of the system.

 

 The second potential solution I have, would be to discount longer-term bookings. Then, upon confirmation, a fee would be collected equivalent to this discount and which is returned to the guest after completion. 

 

There is also the idea of an additional deposit but it’s against Airbnb rules so this leamay become problematic.

 

what is everyone’s thoughts on this.

 

 

Lewis26
Level 2
Glasgow, United Kingdom

I have just become aware of the extenuating circumstances policy due to bad weather preventing a guest from being able to travel to my Airbnb last weekend. They cancelled one day into the reservation and received a part refund as per my cancellation policy and I explained that the onus is on the guest to recover further loss through their own holiday insurance policy, if they have one. 

 

They are now claiming a full refund under the refund dtenuaying circumstances policy yet Airbnb has refused to tell me if it is me that will refund them or Airbnb... can anybody here help me with that?

 

Pert if responsible travelling and vacationing is making sure you have adequate travel insurance to protect you during extenuating circumstances so I think it’s frankly ridiculous that Airbnb is giving travellers this protection whilst leaving guests wide open to cancellation losses that are no fault of their own. 

@Lewis26

 

Cancellation will be processed by AirBnb, the cost will be on you.

David
Lewis26
Level 2
Glasgow, United Kingdom

What a ridiculous and unfair policy. This surely leaves it wide open to abuse to guests who do have valid travel insurance who could in theory claim back from both Airbnb and their insurer.

 

Like previous commentators have said, it's all well and good taking the side of the guests but without willing hosts Airbnb does not have a business.

Actually to claim something under a Travel Insurance policy where you have suffered no loss is fraud, a criminal offence.

David
Robert913
Level 2
Dallas, TX

This decision concerns me a hosting client.  Why even have cancellation policies if the rules are not going to be followed.  As a traveler myself, I consider the cancellation policy seriously and if I have any doubts, I will book a non-penalty property.  People need to take responsibility for their decisions.  To all those who agree, you may want to check out home away.  I hear they are not like this.

As a traveler I always buy insurance if it's non-refundable -- it's just good practice.  It's disturbing that Airbnb can randomly apply this "extenuating circumstances" exception to OUR policies that WE set. 

Caitlin:   I agree and it is so cheap these days and an easy add-on with many credit cards.

Caitlin55
Level 2
Seattle, WA

Did you submit an arbitration claim? I am having a similar issue - it's very frustrating and I feel like Airbnb doesn't care AT ALL. https://www.airbnb.com/terms#sec19

My other thought is that you could probably try to sue them in small claims court... 

Jay47
Level 3
Tennessee, United States

Hi Caitlin - Honestly, given all of the other issues we face doing business, I just don't know if there is enough "meat on the bone" to litigate it.  Airbnb just does not seem to get it.  The other night, they actually called me at 11 pm, woke me up and informed me that a guest who was to check in the following day wanted to cancel, and they had decided to give her a 100% refund, despite my moderate cancellation policy.  The agent sounded dumber than a box of rocks, could barely speak or understand English and honestly I thought I was going to melt down on the spot.  I got so mad that I could not get back to sleep until 3 am.  Airbnb finally said they would only authorize a 50% refund.  The guest then turned around and booked the same place, getting it for 40% off because it was a !@#!@!#!! last minute booking!!  Unbelievable (but sadly true!)

@Jay47 crazy but not surprising 😞

Lewis26
Level 2
Glasgow, United Kingdom

I managed to have Airbnb cover the cost of an Extenuating Circumstances refund during the adverse weather that affected the UK in March. I basically refused to put the phone down until they accepted that I was absolutely not at fault and that it was unfair for me to be out of pocket when the guest should have had travel insurance. It took almost 30 min and being put on hold many times but I was told I would be allowed to keep the money "this one time only" but that any future Extenuating Circumstances claims I would have to honour or Airbnb would override my decision.

 

It's not the best outcome but at least in this case I was able to keep my money so I urge other users to do this the next time they are affected. Since I last looked into this situation in March/April it seems like there is a lot more momentum on the forums so hopefully Airbnb will see sense and review the policy soon!

    LEWIS  (still can't tag anyone) : Good for you.  But,  it is frustrating that one has to resort to being a ball breaker to get a fair outcome. I have had to do it once or twice.

David126
Level 10
Como, CO

I believe AirBnB is the only one with this policy, either use another site or increase your prices to allow for the loss when this does happen, because it will.

David