New fee structure

New fee structure

This is absolutely a horrible decision on AirBnN’s part. It completely penalizes the host.  We have been hosting for over 10 years and a Superhost for the entire time.  I will be thinking hard about staying on with AirBnB bead on this policy change. It adversely affects the host too much.  Especially on the Income tax and Rooms& Meal Tax

 

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Hi again @Elaine701 ,

VAT

In Italy, VAT is charged when you purchase goods or services.
Airbnb provides a service to the host, so its service fee is subject to 22% VAT. In most cases, VAT is already included in the service fees. For “professional hosts” (see below) it may instead be paid separately through the reverse-charge mechanism (essentially, it's not included in the fees).

Examples:
If I buy a fridge, I pay 22% VAT on that purchase, even though the money I spend becomes the seller’s income, not mine. Likewise, if I purchase a Netflix subscription, I pay 22% VAT on that service.

Airbnb / Italian Tax System

I agree that the Italian tax regime is not Airbnb’s fault, and I never said it was.
However, my point is that Airbnb could have considered an alternative for our market rather than applying the same structure. The reason? They're aware of how the Italian market is taxed. Therefore, they know that the 15.5% host-only fee will cause hosts having to increase their prices if they want to maintain their revenues intact. The consequence? Travelling to Italy will be pricier, with potential consequences on the tourism flow. 

The 5% Thing

The 5% regime you mention is only available to professional hosts.

It requires opening a business and paying additional costs and contributions, which may not compensate for the tax advantage, particularly for someone with only one property. There may also be limitations depending on the host’s other employment, and the 5% rate applies only for the first five years.

Even under that regime, taxes are still calculated on gross income, and VAT is still due on Airbnb’s service fees. So it does not remove the underlying issue.

I hope this clarifies the situation a bit. You may like it or not, but this is how it works. 

@Francesco602  

@Elaine701 

 

There’s little we can do about it. @Francesco602  got it right – that’s simply how things are.

 

Individuals alone cannot really change anything. Only lawmakers can step in to reform a legal framework that belongs to a different era - a time when property owners faced relatively limited costs to rent out their properties in a simple and fairly uniform market.

 

This is not an argument against taxation. It is a question of whether the tax system is still aligned with economic reality - whether the taxable amount truly reflects the income that a person actually generates.

 

The current rules governing rental income in Italy were created for a market that no longer exists.

 

Decades ago, renting out a property was a relatively simple activity: the owner provided the property, the tenant paid the rent, and the costs involved were limited and predictable. Today, the short-term rental market operates in a completely different environment.

 

Digital platforms have become the standard bridge between property owners and guests. Cleaning services, laundry, utilities, minor repairs, insurance, and other recurring expenses are now an essential part of running a rental activity. These are not personal expenses or lifestyle choices - they are operating costs directly connected to generating rental income.

 

Yet, under the current Italian tax system, almost none of these costs are recognized.

 

Rental income is generally taxed on the gross amount received under the rental agreement, without allowing taxpayers to deduct the actual expenses incurred to produce that income. Apart from a limited flat-rate deduction provided by law, the real costs of operating the rental are effectively ignored.

 

Consider a simple example: if a property owner uses a platform such as Airbnb to find guests, the platform’s commission is not money the owner receives -  it is a cost paid to obtain the rental income. The same applies to cleaning companies, utility providers, maintenance services, and insurance. These expenses are no different in principle from any other business-related costs necessary to generate revenue.

 

The difference is that many other economic activities are taxed on their actual profit: revenue minus costs. Rental income, however, is treated differently because traditional property rentals are not classified as hospitality businesses such as hotels, B&Bs, or guesthouses.

 

This creates a gap between legal classification and economic reality.

 

A salaried employee who needs a car or public transport to reach the workplace also faces unavoidable costs connected to earning a living. Yet fuel, insurance, commuting costs, tolls, and parking are generally considered personal expenses and are not deductible.

 

Italy’s tax system has always allowed deductions only for specific categories of expenses — such as certain medical costs, home renovations, mortgage interest, domestic worker contributions, and other items expressly recognized by law.

 

That is a legitimate policy choice. But it raises an important question: does the current treatment of rental income still reflect the taxpayer’s real ability to contribute?

 

The Italian Constitution establishes the principle that taxation should be based on a person’s actual economic capacity. When a tax is calculated on gross revenue while ignoring the necessary costs incurred to generate that revenue, many believe the connection between taxation and real wealth becomes increasingly difficult to justify.

 

The issue is not whether rental income should be taxed. The issue is whether it should be taxed according to the income that is actually produced - not simply the money that passes through the system before expenses are paid.

 

@Vanessa2864 @Francesco602 

 

Great explanations. Thank you. 

 

However I'm well versed in how business operates. I know what VAT is. I know what gross and net are. That's why I find the Italian tax system unfair and frankly, is why I'm a bit sceptical about whether it's true or not. I was misled about the UK tax system and later discovered that some hosts simply didn't know they could deduct expenses. 

 

Here in Spain we operate like everywhere else. We have gross income, but we file a tax declaration, which reports the gross income, minus all operating expenses; taxes, fees, maintenance, repairs, etc. and this final figure is the NET income (the amount we actually profit)

 

In general, my taxable NET income is usually about 50% of the gross. And if we were forced to pay full tax on the gross amount, I'd probably have to seriously consider going out of business. I don't think that's sustainable.

 

So, I wonder how you even manage to stay in business under those conditions, and although it's clear that you will be slightly worse off under the single fee system, it occurs to me that either way, you're barely in business in the first place. 

 

Sorry for your troubles. And my skepticism. But you are being subjected to an unfair system. 

 

Good luck with everything. 

Exactly my thoughts!

Then they should keep it like it was before and charge the breakdown in the fee payments.  In other words, keep our base price showing and then show the 15.5% charge in guest fee breakdown with the taxes and cleaning fee. This inflated price is going to kill my business in our little town.

Why will it kill your business @LaVerne29 ?

Before the change, guests saw one all-inclusive total price when they searched for accommodation. Now they see that same price. There will be some minor variations, but for the most part the guest total is within 1% (higher or lower) than what it was before the change. You can check this for yourself comparing the guest view price before and after you run the tool.

 

Whether guests search in a big city or a small town, prices in a specific area still look the same as they did before, EXCEPT for those unfortunate hosts who don't run the tool to adjust their prices by 15 September. On 15 September when the mandatory change kicks in, their listings will be significantly underpriced. They risk not covering their costs and/or attracting bad guests.

 

It's possible that for a few days after15 September, our bookings may slow down a bit if there are many such unadjusted listings in our area (assuming that guests will prefer the underpriced options). But the negatively affected hosts will generally realise the mistake quickly and update their prices so that everything goes back to normal.

This is nothing more than airbnb trying to pass their exorbitant fees onto the host and make the host look like the bad guy by having to raise rates.  And theyre Cowards about it, saying its being done to simplify things.  What a crock.  We have made airbnb tons of money over the years, but now Ill be moving as quickly as possible to vrbo and booking.com.

As the guest pays virtually the same after the fee change @Josie-And-Russ0 , in what way do you fear the host will look bad to the guest? Something other than price?

@Josie-And-Russ0 

 

Yes, you should definitely sign up for booking.com and VRBO. It will be a good learning experience for you. 

 

However, I'd recommend not closing your airbnb listing quite yet, as I'm quite certain that what you discover will surprise you.

 

Good luck with that. 

I think it's a little early to judge the impact. Let's see a few transactions under the new fee structure and compare the actual payouts, taxes, and booking trends before making a final decision. Real experience will tell us more than assumptions.

I agree with you that most hosts will feel better once they see that the payouts are the same @Snehal1 

For the guest prices, once a host has used the tool to change to the single fee, they can already verify for themselves that the guest prices have stayed roughly the same. One must just remember to take screenshots of some prices beforehand, so you can compare them afterwards.

Hi @Carolyn-And-Stephen0 

Can you let us know how income taxes are affected in your region?

 

Income tax in most countries is calculated at the applicable level of taxable income (one can fall into a cheaper or a more expensive tax bracket based on your taxable income). 

The change in the Airbnb service fee structure affects the host's gross income before deductions. As commissions payable ("service fees") are deducted before arriving at the taxable income, there should be no impact on a host's taxable income (no new tax bracket) for income tax purposes.

 

It's possible that other taxes and levies that are based on gross (not net) income may increase due to the new service fee structure. Is the "Rooms and Meal Tax" in your area based on the host's gross income? In other words, it's calculated on the full amount before deducting commission paid ("service fee") as an expense?

At first I was confused as to why they were telling host to raise their price 18.34% then I was appalled to see that it's because they're taking their cut from the new higher rate wow Airbnb y'all are another level

Hi @Sarah5258 it's just because percentages are different depending on the base. Maybe this is what you mean, anyway (sorry if so), but to add an example: 

 

If you increase 100 by 15.5% it's 115.5. But if you take a service fee of 15.5% from that, you end up with only 97.6. So you have to increase the 100 by a larger percentage to be in the same position (because the base of the calculation will be different).

 

The 15.5% was calculated to make sure most guest prices stay close to the same after the change. The tool is used to make sure hosts get the same out.

 

So it's the internal fee structure that's changing, not the total service fee.

Correct so if I'm understanding it correctly, airbnb is making more money now, right? If they take their % off higher total

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