Host denying family members to visit, without prior warning

[Jae21]

I am currently renting a room in a house for a month through Airbnb. My father happened to be in town, and he came by for 15 minutes to check out where I had been staying. I assumed it would not be a problem, as there had never been a specific direction on guests being allowed or not, and he was after all, my father.

the next day my host expressed that guests of any kind were not to be allowed in the house, under any circumstances. 

I made the renting assuming that I could have some people over for a few hours once in a while, as the rental had zero mention of rules around guests.

Was it naive of me to assume this? Is this standard rules for Airbnb’s? 

[Ricardo85]

@Jae21 

Airbnb TOS

"...

8.3.3 You may not bring any additional individuals to an Experience, Event or other Host Service unless such an individual was added by you as an additional guest during the booking process on the Airbnb Platform.

..."

Ricardo

[Jae21]

Thank you!! 

[Kenneth12]

Does that apply to bookings?  🙂  

[Ricardo85]

@Kenneth12 

Host Service = Bookings

Airbnb TOS

"...

1.1 The Airbnb Platform is an online marketplace that enables registered users (“Members”) and certain third parties who offer services (Members and third parties who offer services are “Hosts” and the services they offer are “Host Services”) to publish such Host Services on the Airbnb Platform (“Listings”) and to communicate and transact directly with Members that are seeking to book such Host Services (Members using Host Services are “Guests”). Host Services may include the offering of vacation or other properties for use ("Accommodations"), single or multi-day activities in various categories (“Experiences”), access to unique events and locations (“Events”), and a variety of other travel and non-travel related services.

..."

Ricardo

[Kenneth12]

@Ricardo85 :  well,  you're good at copying and pasting,  aren't you?  It's not clear to me at all, that having another individual help with luggage,  stop by in a livng room,  etc.,  counts as "bringing another individual to a host service."   Staying the night?  Sure.   Fifteen minutes on the porch?  Nah,  and from posts on these forums,  not something ABB CS has normally cared about.

As a host,  if you want no guests never at no time,  you'd better put that in House Rules.

[Ricardo85]

@Kenneth12 

I am not the one making the rules here. As you said I'm just copying and pasting. ;o)

Ricardo

[Kenneth12]

As an now-old film once put it,   one can read Nietzsche;  that doesn't mean one understands Nietzsche.   

Copying and pasting demonstrates that you can copy and paste,  not that you can understand and interpret the situation.

[Ana1136]

@Kenneth12 the rules are that they can't bring any extra people, no matter the reason, I don't think any host is going to time them. Plus they might take a shower, use resources and many other factors. Also we don'tkknow who the guest might bring, might be his father or a thief. If you decide to allow this then good for you but rules are rules and everyone has different style of hosting, if a host decides to follow them it is not up to us to question their decision just because we might have more relaxed style of hosting 🙂 

[Kenneth12]

This forum is truly #*$**$ ridiculous and mostly useless.

I post that I have a guest who brings a John over for sex during the day,  and there's a pile-on of people who tell me that it's none of my *$***$ business.  I post that ABB will do nothing about a guest in the day,  and there's a pile-on of people who want to criticize that.

The reality is that if you don't want guests,  you'd better put it in your House Rules,  and any host that doesn't is clueless.

And no, "the Rules" aren't what you think they are just because you cut & paste and claim they are.

[Ana1136]

@Kenneth12 I am sorry you feel that way 🙂 I don't know who told you that bringing unregistered guests was ok because it isn't under any circumstances. Also if you don't feel ok with someone bringing extra people there is no reason to listen to anyone on this forum, do as you think is right, it is your house in the end. The rules are exactly what they are written to be, this is not a philosophy book that we can have different understanding of. No extra guests means exactly that. No parties means exactly that. No smoking means exactly that. Not suitable for children means exactly that. Every host can choose whether to enforce them or not but there is no doubt about the meaning. 

[Kenneth12]

You're like yet-another-undergrad who cites some 30-year-old statue to me that is "still on the books,"  with little idea what the terms means,  and insists that their interpretation must be the correct one, and is the only possible one,  because,  well,   they know it all.

Despite the intervening 30 years of case law showing the exact opposite.

Anyone who has needed to deal with ABB CSRs,  or read this forum in depth,  knows that not only is there much room for interpretation,  but that individual CSRs do no necessarily follow the published rules as you'd think,  or even do what The Great Chesney says they will do.   You will certainly not be backed up by ABB on the "Your House,  Your Rules"  thing,  and triply not so when they point you're making isn't in your House Rules at all.

Reasonable hosts will take every opportunity possible to convey critical rules in the House Rules section,   as well as repeat them so guests know.   If they don't,  they're asking for trouble.

Using a shower is clearly a listing service reserved for guests under most circumstances,   but I hope you don't expect ABB to back you up in any way even if you do have restrictions stated in your House Rules.

If your claim is that the ToS states a guest cannot bring anyone else to the property on a booking,   why yes,  that's absolutely open to dispute,  as is already clear from posts on this thread.

Otherwise,  this isn't an idle chat forum.  The quality of the information matters,   ABB has an obligation to enforce that,   and when people post bollocks,  I may well point that out.

[Ana1136]

@Kenneth12 I am a doctor of general medicine in fact, not an undergrad but I will take it as a compliment, I must look young. I know that not everyone follows the rules, that is why we have so many threads here. I am telling you that host can enforce the rules. I don't need to be backed up by Airbnb in order to bring order in my home. 

[Kenneth12]

@Ana1136 :  my comment was to your general level of reasoning and logic,  not your appearance.

What do you expect to do to "enforce your rules,"  especially when you haven't taken the general,  commonsense good best practice of including those rules in the House Rules section?   Harass your guests?  Threaten force?   Cancel their reservation?

All good ways to face repercussions from ABB.

[Ana1136]

@Kenneth12 and I was being ironic, of course I don't see it as a compliment. If a guest is being unreasonable and doesn't change his behavior after being told not to do something I would cancel for sure and if Airbnb feels that I did something wrong I will de-list my properties myself, I won't even bother waiting since this is not my priority in life. I am very fair host and I expect the same from my guests, which fortunately has been the case so far.