Airbnb getting shut down in Sydney...

Pete28
Level 10
Seattle, WA

Airbnb getting shut down in Sydney...

Not sure which part of this is worse, the ban part seems like an utter nightmare since all it takes is a complaint from neighbours

 

The NSW government will impose a 180-day cap on the number of days empty properties can be rented in Sydney, and will give strata corporations the power to ban Airbnb in their buildings.

The reforms will implement a two-strike policy, which would see hosts or guests who commit two serious breaches of the code within two years banned from using Airbnb and other similar platforms for five years, and placed on an exclusion register.

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Robin4
Top Contributor
Mount Barker, Australia

Pete-  How on earth were you able to post that HTML?? The rest of us can't even get tags to post and you managed a URL!

Seriously, this platform just gets weirder by the day. 

I wish someone would tell these programmers....the wheel has already been invented!!

 

Cheers.....Rob

Via my iPad - seems to work fine. Perhaps that's all they test on at Airbnb...

 

re it's only Sydney - that's kinda like the 90 day limit in London, it's only London. The largest uk market for Airbnb.

 

Anyone dig into this two strikes thing ? I don't want that appearing in Seattle - we're still locking down the plan for legal acceptance next year...

Robin4
Top Contributor
Mount Barker, Australia

Pete-  The cities that seem to be copping the most heat are the cities where there is the highest percentage of hosts who host in rented space or apartment style housing......both of which are going to feature heavily in community related issues.

Areas where there is a proponderance of single dwellings do not seem to be coming in for the special treatment that high density city living areas are copping.

 

The capital city of my state of South Australia, Adelaide has a population of 1.3 million of which 82.4% reside in single allotment dwellings (one house per residential block) and of those  65.8% are either owned outright or subject to a mortgage agreement!

So, apartment style rental here comprises a small percentage of the total population. The chances of community issues arising from short term rentals here is remote and it will possibly be the same where you are in Seattle because you are spread out across Tacoma and Bellevue with Seattle being a relatively low density city. Pete I am assuming that from afar!

Pete, we have to promote our cause in the community at every opportunity. I have compiled statistics on what every guest brings into our local community and when the local traders see the good that short term rental does to the community any objections soften considerably.

 

Cheers......Rob

People that have never hosted with never understand how it works. The rules should be re thought that any superhost shouldn't be capped because they are experience hosts. Any hosts that has only one listing shouldn't be capped because it doesn't affect the rental market. Even if I am capped for example I still will not release my space to the 6 month/12 month long term market. I like the convenience to beable to use my apt sometimes. All these things never came into consideration when they go about dictating what or who can do what they want with their own property. Now I call this undemocratic. 

 

DEMOCRACY has been lacking in our societies today that includes free speech. It will only reflect on those that think they know but anyone who uses airbnb knows the way to go. 

 

If you have been affected by all these undemocratic views and bans from your governments/councils, just move with the times. We are smart enough to use our own private homes/spaces to do as we like. These morons didn't have to pay to own our homes, they not only abused all TAX PAYERS FUNDS, they went about slaughtering their countries WILDLIFE ANIMALS, MARINE LIFE, BIRDLIFE, lobby with industries that take away public assets, public ........and now private!

 

If you are in trouble, host an experience, somethings local, keep it simple! Move with the company!

I posted a comment without seeing this comment earlier. I'm one host in North Sydney who is impacted by this potentially new NSW Govt. policy. I would like to reach out other Sydney hosts who are also impacted to discuss agree on a plan to approach NSW Govt. 

copy from Australian Financial review!

by Jimmy Thomson and Sue Williams

The influential tenants' group behind a study frequently used by airbnb to justify the spread of short-term holiday letting in NSW says  its research has been misconstrued by the online letting agency.

Tenants Union of NSW officials accused Airbnb of cherry-picking the findings to support  its case and denied that they see no problem in the spread of Airbnb-style holiday lets into the residential market.

"We do feel that Airbnb and others are reaching the wrong conclusion from our research," says executive officer Julie Foreman. "We have consistently in our blog posts and research called for regulation and identified impacts on tenants."

The union said Airbnb's presentation of the survey's findings was skewed to make it seem that tenants had no problem with increasing numbers of whole-home holiday lets.

 

"Our position has always been to limit personal use to a reasonable amount – our research suggested 60 days – and ensure commercial operators (everyone else) are regulated through planning," Ms Foreman says. "We are also open to other methods of regulation such as registrations."

 

Airbnb reacted angrily to Ms Foreman's statements about the survey, which is regularly quoted by the company to support claims that its operation has little effect on the supply of rental accommodation and affordability.

It comes as Airbnb faces tougher regulations in NSW that will allow owners' corporations (body corporates) to adopt a by-law – with a 75 per cent majority – preventing short-term letting in their block, introduce a mandatory code of conduct, and give NSW Fair Trading the power to police online platforms and letting agents. Hosts or guests who commit two serious breaches of the code within two years will be banned for five in what NSW Minister for Better Regulation Matt Kean said were "the toughest laws in the country".

Airbnb denies claim

An Airbnb spokesman denied from Singapore that it had misinterpreted the findings of the Tenants Union report.

 

"The tenants' union's and the Grattan Institute's reports independently and separately found Airbnb not to have a material impact on rental market housing affordability," the spokesman said.

"While we have a different perspective about some of their recommendations, we do share the view that there needs to be fair and innovative regulations in NSW, and we'd encourage people to read both reports in their entirety."

The spokesman suggested The Australian Financial Review contact the author of the tenants' union report, Leo Patterson-Ross, for a first-hand perspective.

Mr Patterson-Ross, when contacted, said the tenants' union stood by its executive officer's statements.

 

The Tenants' Union of NSW and Airbnb have been at odds in a number of critical areas. Sixty-day caps on the number of days whole homes can be let, and registration of whole-home lets, are both vehemently opposed by the American multi-billion-dollar agency.

Mr Kean had been swaying between limits of 180 days (three times the tenants' union proposal) and no cap at all.

'Significant setback'

The organisation Our Strata Community, Our Choice – set up to campaign for apartment owners to have the right to decide whether they will accept short-term rentals into their buildings – says the tenants' union's newly-stated position is a significant setback for Airbnb.

 

"This is a body blow to Airbnb's credibility to have the people who wrote a report they rely on so regularly to invalidate criticism of their operations publicly distance themselves from the conclusions they draw from it," says spokesperson Stephen Goddard.

"They quote that report so regularly, saying the tenants' union finds no problems with their operation. But now the tenants' union has come out to say that's not their position at all."

Mr Goddard cites a more recent report from the University of Sydney. "That says the number of Airbnb properties potentially removed from Sydney's permanent rental market with an average vacancy rate of around three per cent amounts to approximately half of the available rental properties, and also risks driving up property values and making homes even more unaffordable."

Ms Foreman also directed the Financial Review to the Tenants' Union of NSW website where a blog defends the survey findings but adds: "There will still be a need to regulate the short-term letting sector."

 

The blog says that with various examples of third parties offering their services to manage short-term letting operations, there is a huge risk the practice will grow, particularly in high-demand tourist areas already struggling with affordability issues.

"This is clearly a problem," it says. "A commercially operated short-term letting business should only be allowed subject to local government approval, and there should be clear guidelines as to what constitutes a 'commercial operation' and the conditions under which it will be approved."

It is also scathing about "Airbnb's oft-quoted claim" that the majority of hosts are everyday

people sharing a spare room for extra cash or having their home looked after while on holiday or out of town for work.

"As far as a corporate narrative goes, it's not a bad one," it says. "But it clearly sidesteps some of the problems that are created or exacerbated by this highly profitable business. If they were genuine about the claim, they could very easily make it true by limiting the number of bookings a host could solicit via their online platform."

 
 
 
 
 
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Wendy117
Level 10
Bexley, Australia

I made an earlier coment about all of 'greater sydney' being affected but perhaps it is more than that, an article in the Domain quotes

'The 180-night limit will apply to houses and apartments in Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong.

 

Properties in regional areas of NSW will also be exempt, however councils outside Greater Sydney will have the power to implement the 180-day cap.'

Lachlan5
Level 2
Sydney, Australia

I've read the articles online. There doesn't seem to be any advice in them as to when this change of ruling will come into place. Has anyone been able to find out anything on the expected timing of it's implimentation from the NSW Govt or Airbnb?

Gary103
Level 2
Paddington, Australia

Lachlan, did you have any luck finding out when this takes effect? 

Don-and-Jackie0
Level 2
Willoughby, Australia

Yes its in effect in Sydney. I saw an article the other day.

 

If the host is living in the house then you can let for unlimited days.

 

If the host is not living in the house you can only let for 6 months of the year, the remainder must be owner occupied or long term lease. 

 

Local councils outside greater Syndey have the option to enforce the policy so the article said. 

Do you have a copy of the article or a link?

Sarah-And-Tom0
Level 5
New South Wales, Australia

Hi,

 

The NSW Government has posted a "Statement of Intended Impact" on Department of Planning and Environment website outlining the proposed changes and restrictions on Short Term Rental Accommodation and is inviting public feedback until 16/11/2018.

 

For those who do not know, the restrictions proposed for Greater Sydney (including the Blue Mountains, Northern Beaches and the Hawkesbury) limit short term rentals to 180 days per year where the host is not present on the premises. There are also additional requirements for bush fire prone areas.

 

I have included the link (not sure if it will be removed):

http://planspolicies.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=9645

 

Airbnb also sent out a mailout seeking your input.

 

If you can find the time, have a look and have your say.