Details guests see as "not clean enough" - -add your thoughts!

Laura2592
Level 10
Frederick, MD

Details guests see as "not clean enough" - -add your thoughts!

I had posted that I learned a lot about cleaning having an Airbnb. I hate cleaning and have a cleaning service in my primary residence. It was clear after a few rounds with them at our Airbnb we needed to be working on some of the cleaning ourselves in addition to having a cleaner come in. We collect a lot of feedback from our guests via a suggestion box. One of the biggest challenges is meeting what I call the "personal cleanliness expectation" or PCE.  PCE consists of general big ticket items like clean floors and counters, non-sticky tables,  no dust bunnies, scrubbed toilets, etc. But each guest has there own individual "PCE" items-- if they see one, doesn't matter for some how nice the big ticket things are. You lose a point or more as they signal "not clean enough" to the guest. 

 

Now some of these PCEs are over the top, so bear with me. But this is what I have discovered. I am sure a lot of other hosts will chime in (at least I hope so.)

 

First, bugs. Our cottage is on a big rural wooded lot. So bugs get inside. Spiders when its cold, flies and mosquitoes (and fireflies!) sometimes when its warm. Crickets any time. We have a big porch and a little vestibule between the screen and main front door. Crickets especially will wait and hop in when the lights are on. Some guests will say that the place isn't clean if they see a bug, alive or dead. This is something we work very hard to manage, but nature is gonna be nature out in the country under the trees. 

 

Anything that is supposed to look distressed. We have a very rustic reclaimed floor in one of our bathroom made of old barn wood. Personally I love it. Its got old paint and goes well with the vibe of the house. It gets mopped and cleaned with all other floor surfaces. But one guest said it looked "old and dirty." Likewise the bedside tables in one bedroom are chalk painted and shabby chic. One guest left a comment that they weren't "crisp and new" looking (they aren't, nor are they supposed to be). If you look at all the fancy "luxe" places on Airbnb they have a very specific type of look-- white, open, clean edges, new-appearing. So be careful if your place invites a different aesthetic.

 

Baseboards and picture frames. Yes its common sense to dust them. But one guest told us that she does the "white glove test" on those areas before giving out 5 stars.  (Good to know.)

 

Dark furniture. Some guests see dark, heavy furniture as "dirty" even when its not. Grays, beiges and bright colors seem not to evoke this reaction. Same with dark counters. Why? No clue. 

 

Areas behind shelves/washer dryer/pieces of furniture. I know-- who goes behind that stuff? Guests do, especially if they have small kids or pets with toys. We were appalled to discover that the area behind the washer and dryer in our laundry room was super gross. It took some effort to move the machines and clean but now we have a long swiffer type duster thing that helps.

 

Your personal stuff. We had a drawer in a piece of furniture in the bathroom where we left a tube of our almost brand new toothpaste by accident. Guests found it and were unhappy... it seemed like we should have cleaned better. 

 

Stoves and fridges. Yes, they should be clean. They should be very very clean all the time. If your place is spotless otherwise, but certain guests open a stove or fridge and sees any evidence of muck,  your place is not clean enough to meet their PCE.  Same goes with a microwave.

 

Smells. We have a solid stone built cottage with 18" thick walls (about 45 cm). We can't vent to outside for a fan without paying an exorbitant amount. We can't fit a recirculating fan under the hand built hickory cabinets because they aren't a standard size. So we don't have a toaster or allow deep frying. Why? The smells. We found out the hard way that some cooking smells (really burnt toast is the worst!) really linger in a place with 18 inch thick stone walls and only ceiling fans to help move odors along. If your place does not smell fresh right upon opening the door, its not meeting someone's PCE. This is particularly true in a place that allows pets as not all of your guests have them and no one wants to smell someone else's wet dog. 

 

Please feel free to add what you have found!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mike-And-Helen0
Level 10
England, United Kingdom

@Kevin1056 great post!

 

You DO have to feel sorry for someone whose idea of holiday fun is running a gloved finger along a skirting board.

@Mike-And-Helen0 Lol I say the same thing Everytime... Are you here to have fun or are you a mystery shopper. 

 

When I go on vacation, im not trying to find things to complain about, im here to have fun.

Kevin1056
Level 6
Los Angeles, CA

To be honest im getting sick of these guests... The cleaner I make the place the worse my reviews  get. We have bent over backwards, we have gotten to the point that if they complain we just cancel them.. simple. We let them go and pay double the price at another Airbnb or at a Hotel. 

 

We feel that a bad review is a bad review either way and then we are not sure if AirBnb will give them a refund after enjoying an amazing vacation with AC, Cable TV, Super Fast Internet Access gaming Consoles, Netflix in every room. We tell them to go find a place where you will be happy. ♥️

 

I was 1hr late on a check-in and AirBnb gave the guest a free day. (The previous guests broke a toilet) which caused me to be an HR late. 

 

AirBnb: we are going to give the guests a free day because your toilet was broke and you fixed it an HR after check in.

ME: but I fixed it!

AirBnb: But you were still late.

Me: But....

AirBnb: case closed but we appreciate and value you as a host. They get a free discounted vacation $300 off.

@Kevin1056 

 

Oh really? In this case you know what to do - you should file a damage claim to your previous guest and include the broken toilet repair + 1 night stay refund for the next guest.

Yeah and get a bad retaliatory review...  Been there done that. 

Pete69
Level 10
Los Angeles, CA

With regard to bugs getting in, I'll bet you have a gap under the door leading in. You have to seal that up with weather stripping and/or a door sweep. Also spray some non-toxic bug repellent near the door.
 
 
 
 
 
 
One of the last things I do is inspect the bathroom and bed for stray hairs that might have survived cleaning, laundry, etc.
 
 
 
I know of a filthy hotel that you wouldn't want to spend 30 minutes living at.  They have no shortage of people staying there despite a zillion 1 star Yelp reviews, so having less that a 5 star rating is not going to put you out of business.

@Pete0we have weather stripping. Bugs get in when the door is open with people going in and out. Our place is in the mid Atlantic on a wooded lot in the country. Lots of rain and four distinct seasons make it pretty buggy. There's  a creek that runs behind the property. That doesn't help with bugs. Our neighbors got chickens to eat the bugs and run a bug zapper 24/7 so it's not just us. We  treat the grounds professionally for mosquitoes from May to October. We have exterminators come for the interior once a month. We had a bug zapper but it killed "good bugs" so we stopped using it.

 

In our place as soon as the weather gets cold we get 'house spiders" trying to come in. If you have seen one they are big black hairy spiders with bodies as big as your little finger. They are harmless but look scary. They are named house spiders because....they love going inside houses in cool months. They literally wait in the porch and scuttle in as guests unload. We have seen them do it when we bring stuff in ourselves. There is not a darn thing you can do to prevent this. 

I hear you. We have an old farm (from 1870). No matter how often I dust for spiderwebs, there's going to be new ones by the next morning. I can prevent mice coming in, I can't prevent spiders. 

Cristiana97
Level 2
Bucharest, Romania

I really am here in desperation 🙂 Reading all your comments just made feel a bit better. 

I've been hosting since July this year. My little apartment is on a busy boulevard in Bucharest, so it's a pretty dusty area, especially in the summer, so if I do the cleaning (my cleaning fee is very small because I do it along with my fiancee) say one day before the check-in, some specs of dust will set on the floor by the next morning. I moved that to cleaning the morning of the check-in. So far all my ratings are 5*. 

 

My last guest was a woman who for a 3 night stay paid next to nothing, and started sending me pictures of the soles of her white socks after walking around the house for a few hours. "Very dirty" said the picture, all though I wanted to say "it's Bucharest in the summer, you know these things because you are a Romanian even if you moved abroad, the windows are open and it's a high ground-floor, what do you expect"... at 18$a night for an apartment with marble finishes and wooden floors.. 

 

Then the City hot water service shut down on a 3km area, including my apartment building. And I had to refund her, even if this is unexpected and out of my hands. 

And it's frustrating, all the amenities, the 1GB internet and cable TV, the consumables (i always leave cookies, bottled water, coffee, etc in the kitchen) just went out the window and I still face a bad review from her...  

I don't know, do you ever get used to it? Right now the "this is not a 5* hotel sign seems like a good idea... 

Ivy-Rock0
Level 2
New Windsor, NY

I am so aggravated by guests concerning cleanliness and how it effects reviews.  We just had our listing paused because the guest scored us low putting us below a 4.4 rating.  Her and 7 friends enjoyed their stay in  our large cabin in the woods for a holiday weekend.  We reached out for checkin and let her know if they needed anything or had any issues to contact us.  We didn't hear one word.  I messaged them making sure they had a nice stay and checked out.  Again...not a word.  Then I get a review saying the house was dusty and outdated.  In the private review she said the "cleaners did the great job".   We weren't given any chance to assist them and yet they get to say whatever they want without issues and rate us.  The pictures posted are exactly what the house looks like inside.  How can you complain about it being outdated.  Its a cabin!!!  Airbnb has to come up with a better way to protect hosts.  Even if they just had something that said "did you notify the host of your issues" when they click below 3 stars.  Ugh just so annoying.  

Ann72
Level 10
New York, NY

@Laura2592 Thanks for the great post, and I hear you about the bugs.  After one of our first guests stayed at the nicest place at a low introductory rate and gave 4 stars for cleanliness because she found a bug in the bathtub, I put this in the house manual:   "This is a house in the Maine woods, so even after the cleaning people finish, a bug or two might appear or decide to die in the bathtub. Please forgive us for this. Mother Nature is the ultimate authority up on Caterpillar Hill. :)"  Haven't had a complaint since.

I feel much better now, after reading these. We love our housekeeper/friend, and know she does a great job. Our old stone house, located out in farm country in the Azores, can get musty when shut up for several days, and the ants regularly find new routes thru crevasses in the walls. 

We got the low cleanliness routine similar to what is described above, on 3 of our groups this summer, all requesting refunds and expressing disappointment about how much it had affected their holiday (in a magical place). One ranted about the smell of manure (there are cows in grassy pastures, and occasionally driven up the road right past the house. Our ad makes it clear the house is surrounded by pastures, with animals in them. 

I googled, asking about scamming hosts on AirBnB, as it's been feeling like some folks want to enjoy their holiday and then get the cost refunded.  I'll work on a stronger disclaimer about bugs and smell for next summer and, in the meantime, enjoy hosting friends and family there!

Helen427
Level 10
Auckland, New Zealand

Hello @Peg24  & welcome to ABB CC.

 

Re cow manure, make sure you mention that's where the ladybirds that eat the aphids lay there larvae and where earthworms also are known to make there homes and that birds eat earthworms. It's called the ecological system

 

Turn your listing & Guest experience of one of exploring Nature & Nurture with Nature to de stress!!

 

All the best

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