I am planning to visit Vancouver during July and August this...
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I am planning to visit Vancouver during July and August this year. I have just found out that there will be new rules for sho...
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I am very sorry to all my past and upcoming guests. I am leaving Airbnb. I can longer trust my home with Airbnb. I can no long afford to keep my home rented to Airbnb guests.
In November I had a guest stay in my home. I have very specific instructions about the trash removal and recycle. It is posted on my listing, it is in every email I send, it is posted on signs in my home, and it is in the binder in my home. These guests mixed all the trash and recycle. This caused my property manager to spend a couple extra hours sorting through these guests garbage to get it bagged and the recycle sorted into the recycle bin so the trash company would take it all away.
We charge $125 for a cleaning fee. My property manager charged me an additional $200 for sorting and bagging the trash. My instructions say that if this is not done correctly the guest will be charged. I supplied Airbnb with the invoice from my property manager and pictures of the trash. It was so clear that the guests didn't follow the instructions and as a result I was charged an additional $200 for their stay.
Airbnb reviewed the case. They determined that my instructions are not their problem. In Airbnb's good faith they decided to give me a $75 in resolving this issue. Airbnb's stance is that this should fall under regular cleaning charges so they said that if the property manager charges me $200 and I charge the guest $125 I am only owed $75. Their math is wrong. $125 regular cleaning fee + $200 additional cleaning fee is $325 total.
I 100% agree that the guest should be charged the $200 additional fee since they caused the issue. Airbnb will never hold a guest accountable. This is the mistake and why I can't trust my home to Airbnb. My home is a second home. Like most we are not a business. We make no extra money on these Airbnb bookings. The booking help offset some of the costs of owning a second home. Every time a guest causes damage or additional service fee that comes right out of my pocket. This is money that I would have reinvested in the home for a better place for guests to stay.
We are the Airbnb face but how can we trust our homes to Airbnb if they won't support us. If this continues Airbnb will go the way of Sears sooner than Sears did. I am not listing my home on Airbnb until they change this policy of not supporting the hosts when guests cause damage or additional services. I urge more hosts to do the same. They will only make a change for us when there are enough hosts listing their homes some where else. If they don't have hosts, they don't have a product. Please join me in this movement if you care about your homes and the service you provide. I want all my guests to feel like the host cares about the home I am providing to them. I can't do that if I have to pay out of pocket.
I have print screened this post as I am sure Airbnb will take it down.
I would love to hear your opinions and your feedback. And if you choose to stay with Airbnb, please protect your homes.
I really appreciate everyone's replies and feedback. All are very valuable. The fines, the "$125", the trash being sorted, and the time spent are not the point. The point is that we need to make sure that Airbnb holds guests accountable to the rules of our home for when they are not followed and it causes something to be repaired, replacement or additional service fees. These are our rules and if Airbnb wants our homes on their website, their guests have to follow them. Airbnb has to hold them accountable. There are plenty of other booking sites. We have options. I hope that Airbnb hears me and changes it policies quickly. If not our homes will go from staying at the Ritz Carlton to the Roach Motel in no time. If we allow, Airbnb will continue to limit its help to unruly guests. I have read so many others posts and have experienced the same issues when it comes to bad guests or guests not using their correct name so you don't know who is staying in your home and AIRBNB DOES NOTHING to protect us.
It anguishes me when a guest is not satisfied with my home. Every time I have to pay for something that the guests caused it causes me not to reinvest in improving and the up keep of the home. Sorry the rules are the rules and not just the cost of doing business.
For all of you, please protect your homes as you feel fit because Airbnb won't.
I totally get your point. Yes, our rules should be enforceable and guests should be held to account when their behaviour (ignoring instructions and house rules) results in unnecessary expenses, work and stress.
Sadly, that's not how it is. You only have to do a quick browse on the CC to see that many hosts have experienced a similar situation to you but with guests doing far, far worse, e.g. completely trashing a place.
By all means, pursue Airbnb and insist they deal with the issue, but also, don't hold your breath. It's never a bad idea to have independent insurance to cover yourself, although I am not sure anyone would cover guests not sorting trash, to be honest.
@Jason843 I think we have all gone though this mental process. I'm glad you responded again, and take some time to think things through. Its very challenging. I could see how getting caught up in this issue between host poor behavior and property manger would be stressful. My thought process is always hung up on little stuff even today. I have found that using creative ways to communiate has been a great way to solve unwanted behavior. Although for a whole home may be better suited for another booking site that better fits your requirements. With Airbnb host have to factor in $200 expense and include that in rates and review guest. I'm going up in my rates after ruined linens and such. People are also set in their ways and can have hard time adjusting so quickly. Good luck and hope this all helps form better policy as that was your intention. But I wouldn't burn any bridges if you plan to keep renting a second home, and at the end of the day everyone needs problems like this.
sorry typo... meant guest poor behavior
Sorry you've chosen to feel that way. I used to be an Airbnb fan, but that ended nearly 2 years ago. Been trying to leave since then. Signed up with the others, but Airbnb still runs circles around them.
So, I hope you can get bookings, nice guests, or even host support on VRBO or booking.com. Like Airbnb, they're also just booking platforms, only smaller with less visibility. And like Airbnb also some bad guests, and pathetic support. It's the nature of the beast.
Anyway, all the best for the new year!
Thank you so much for your reply. I believe that Airbnb is in trouble in the US. They are losing market share to VRBO. VRBO is doing more marketing.
My post sounds like I am crying over just the trash. I have had so many issues and Airbnb has not supported me unless I can produce a damage product.
One guest messed with the pool pump values and drained half the pool. The pump was running with no water through it but never completely broke. I couldn't prove the damaged they caused to the pump. Within 8 months I had to replace the pool pump. Airbnb wouldn't pay for the water to be added back to the pool. On my listing, every email, signs in the home, and in the binder there are instructions not to touch the pool pump.
Another guest called the cable company 21 times and guessed my pin number. They changed all my programing and ordered a bunch of movies. Airbnb did nothing to help. I had all the documentation from the cable company.
Another guest smoke pot in the home and left a rolled up joint under the toilet. There was weed and stems on the bathroom sink. Had to have the home professional cleaned. Airbnb told me that my rules only stated no smoking and not what kind of smoking. Airbnb didn't pay for the cleaning.
Guests have decided to use towels to clean their babies bottoms and leave them in the middle of the floor. I had to buy new towels. They cost me $7 each at the Walmart 2 miles away. Airbnb paid me $5 each because online they found the same towels at a Walmart about 13 miles away. I had pictures and receipts.
The list goes on and on. It is to hard to operate this way. And most importantly if any guest tells me what happened because mistakes will happen, I have never charged a guest for a mistake.
We need to hold Airbnb accountable to the rules of our homes. If they are not going to protect our homes then we have to protect them ourselves by using other booking sites.
@Jason843 Realistically, perhaps hosting just might not be for you. Even the list of things you posted are minor, really. I agree that Airbnb should 100% support its hosts, but, it doesn't. Once you realize that and adjust your mindset, hosting does get easier. Do not count on Airbnb for anything except bookings. Until Airbnb can overhaul its customer service, it's better to deal with guest issues on your own.
It also might help to not take guest behavior personally. You seem really upset about driving 2 whole miles to buy $7 towels. That is definitely not something to be upset about in the grand scheme of things when it comes to hosting.
PS - This is not new. This has been going on for years and you are not the first host to point this out, but I understand the "sting" when you realize this for the first time.
Thank you for your reply. I disagree that a pool pump and draining the pool are minor. This was caused by an Airbnb guest and should have been paid by the guest or Airbnb. This was a several thousands dollar fix.
@Jason843 Apologies for posting again. Your listing isn't visible, so I read though some of your reviews.
One of you guest only mentioned that the house was bare but otherwise very positive, and your response came off as rather demanding in my opinion, in which you claimed,
"... this home is a self service home. That means that things like soap, trash bags, paper towels, toilet paper, hand soap (which there are bars in every bathroom), laundry detergent, dishware tabs, salt, pepper, and sugar are up to the guest."
And it just gets worse. The guest was only pointing out that these things weren't there but that a grocery store was nearby and it was still a nice place to stay.
I might suggest simply supply TRASH BAGS especially if you are having issues like this.
However hosting is a great learning experience for all of us. You have also raised an important issue regarding trash and recycling and this should be something host takes into consideration when investing in a rental property.
@Jason843 It seems like you have been expecting Airbnb to cover you for things that you need to find ways of preventing in the first place, or remedying on your own.
Why do guests have access to the pool pump, for instance? It shouldn't be accessible to guests in the first place. It's either behind a locked door, or if that isn't possible, you have a locked metal cage built for it.
You shouldn't have to throw out towels because someone wiped their baby's butt with them. You pre-treat them and wash them. And occasionally ruined towels are part and parcel of the cost of doing business, not something to be making claims for.
Did the house reek of pot smoke after that guest, is that why it took such extensive cleaning? Because I don't see how a rolled up joint found under the toilet or stems and seeds found on the bathroom counter are any big deal to fret about- although they are evidence. But if the place didn't reek of marijuana, the guest could have gone outside to smoke. You can dictate no smoking in your home, but you can't dictate whether guests have marijuana in their possession, that's none of your business.
And while guests should certainly not be smoking in a non-smoking home, if they do and it requires more cleaning, well, that's just how it goes sometimes. Messy, dirty guests who don't smoke require more cleaning after, too. But some guests leave the pllace clean and tidy. It usually balances out.
If you don't have a fund set aside to remedy things that are inevitable when renting your place out to strangers, and are going to expect Airbnb to enforce what most hosts realize they have to deal with themselves, then it sounds like hosting isn't the best choice of income for you, or maybe you are just burnt out and need a break and a reset.
There are hosts who have been hosting for years and never once put in any claim, and others who seem to think putting in several claims a year is something normal.
Been there. Done that.
We're on VRBO, which means we're listed throughout the Expedia family, globally. We're lucky if we get 3 bookings per year (because Airbnb books us up before they have any chance).
Out of our top 5 Hall of fame worst guests, VRBO delivered 2 of them, which so far has equated to about 40% of all the bookings they've ever generated for us. The other 3 "Hall of famers" represent less than 2% of our Airbnb bookings.
And I can assure you, VRBO wouldn't ever compensate you for any of the things you mention. They probably wouldn't even bother to respond. They usually just close the ticket with no explanation. That's just their M.O. Airbnb almost always responds, but either does nothing, or in some cases will make it even worse. That's their M.O. You need to learn to avoid both.
Look, this is just the nature of the beast you're riding. Learn to ride it safely without anybody else "having your back", or get off. Others have. You can too. It's actually not that hard, once you figure it out.
Hint: Prevention is the best cure. Neither have any vested interest in prevention. It's your problem alone.
Anyway, good luck. Just don't do the same thing over and over, expecting different results. That will go on forever, and you'll never be happy or successful.
@Jason843 I stayed at an Airbnb once that had 1 bathroom trash size bag in the trash can for a 5 day stay. That's asking for trouble. If you are afraid people will take a full box of bags, then I would leave them how ever many you think they would use based on number+days. It's up the host to supply extras or not supply them, but if your goal is to keep your place clean and get gets to follow rules on trash, having trash bags seems a no brainer.
All that story looks weird to me. Think again-is this the right thing for you? I mean-the hosting as a business. You have a cleaning fee. That should cover the risk.
Like I have said over a thousand times here: Airbnb has no equal. They find the people , they collect the money, they offer a great calendar interface, and they do all that for a ~mere~ 3%. Outside of the capricious manner they sometimes apply their Extenuating Circumstance policy, I expect nothing else from them nor do I expect them to be responsible for my place or the behavior of my lunatic fellow humans. The fact a horrible guess booked through Airbnb is immaterial, they could have just as easily booked through VRBO, Expedia, Lunatics R US, etc.
As to the matter at hand about recycling, we do so and make it easy for our guests to follow. Some do not, so we do it for them. The last thing we would do is expect or get Airbnb involved in the issue. Again we do not live in a Tree Hugging Homestead where you must cycle in perfection otherwise Big Brother will 'fine' us for not being model citizens.
I bet 5% of hosts cause 95% of the problems with Airbnb, they would be the first batch I would cut out of the herd, every single year. 🙂
I may be out of order here, but why do so many of us think that AirBnB is in partnership as a co-host with us? They are quite simply the source for guests. I do not look to AirBnB or any other OTA to get rid of a problem guest, to reimburse me for damages done by a guest, or to protect me from a guest.
I have really good property insurance for my STRs and LTRs. I also have a legally binding and approved rental agreement for all of my STR properties. It puts forth all of the STR regulations for my state, county and municipality. I provide a copy of this agreement to every guest that books through an OTA, whether for 2 nights or 28 days. Sign or decline. Yes, I have had guests request to cancel after receiving the rental agreement, but more often than not, they abide by it and I rarely have damages or issues.
Bottom line -- some guests are not going to follow the rules and will cost money. They may not understand that they are renting from a real person/owner -- it is after all, an "AirBnB" -- a company. They can come from any OTA, not just AirBnB. They may even be your friends or family. You have to be prepared to handle the expense and the disappointment. You may have to pay your manager to dig through the trash and sort it. Offer WIFI, but don't offer cable TV. If however, the pool is half-drained and the pump may need repair or maintenance, call your insurance company immediately and have them chase the guest (or the OTA) for reimbursement. Ruined towels is the cost of doing business.
If it is breaking your heart or your budget to have guests mistreat your property and disregard your rules, perhaps you should withdraw your listing until you are ready to brave it again.