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When it comes to knowing what customers want, just ask Joseph Michelli. After all, the psychologist-turned-author has already delved into what makes Starbucks, Zappos, and other customer-centric companies tick.
While writing his latest book, “The Airbnb Way,” Michelli and his four-person team interviewed hundreds of hosts and guests in 11 countries. Their research also included stays in treehouses, yurts, and dozens of other listings on Airbnb. Two years later, Michelli now believes any business can learn from five key principles: belonging, trust, hospitality, empowerment, and community.
In this Q&A with Airbnb, Michelli reveals some of the top hospitality tips, moments of belonging, and entrepreneurial secrets that he learned along the way.
[Editor’s Note: This interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.]
Airbnb: Of all the companies you could’ve focused on after writing about Starbucks and Zappos, why Airbnb?
Joseph Michelli: “First and foremost, Airbnb is the 21st century. It’s the company to study and understand where human experiences are going now and into the future. I’ve been blessed to work with some amazing companies, with Mercedes-Benz being the last one. It was time to take a different look at business. At some point in my career, I wrote about the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, which I think has been the gold standard for high-end hospitality for some time, so it was exciting to tell a story of the current and future [of hospitality].”
Airbnb: What’s the one principle from your book that you hope a host will adopt first?
Michelli: “For me, belonging is at the center of Airbnb. It is a differentiator [and] a human need ... I love how Airbnb designs for trust, but if [hosts] did nothing else but create belonging in every instance, trust would follow. Then you build community. I think belonging is the root of it all.”
Airbnb: You write about how you and your wife “even imagined what it would be like to live near [Superhosts] Dan and Deborah.” Can you talk more about that?
Michelli: “Not only did we stay in [Dan and Deborah’s ‘Danville’ listings in Geneva, Florida], but prior to the book’s launch, I brought my entire team to Danville, [which includes an airplane hangar, treehouse, and yurt]. I wanted to share it with my team, then you kind of worry, “Will it [be a] letdown?” But it certainly was not. It was very much the same as when I was writing the book …
Airbnb: You also dedicate a chapter to examining how Airbnb aims to create economic opportunities for hosts globally. Why did you name this section as empowerment rather than entrepreneurship?
Michelli: “Whether they think of themselves as being in business or making a small space available to somebody, I think a lot of people who are [hosting on] Airbnb may not think of themselves as entrepreneurs. [I chose the word empowerment], because the property is a source of power for people.”
Airbnb: You and your team interviewed about 300 hosts, with ages ranging from 24 to 75. Of the 45% who are running their listings like small businesses, what did you notice about newer hosts who might’ve struggled at first but who ultimately kept going?
Michelli: “I think part of it is perseverance. Airbnb is really good at encouraging people to constantly challenge their mindset … A lot of the people I talked to have really understood that this is a process to learn, that not many people were born to be successful in business, and you really do need to learn the steps, humble yourself, and get support. We were surprised by how many people were plugged into their local networks … It’s being connected to people who are in the throes of the same challenges. I was struck by a couple who are at the hub of their community. They are so plugged into thinking, ‘How do we cause all businesses to succeed in our area? How do we make our community stronger?’”
Airbnb: Are there any clear signs of when to make that leap from side gig to small business?
Michelli: “I think a lot of them did talk about tipping points, dipping their toe in the water to see if this was right for them. They experienced it, and it was far more gratifying than they thought. Any fears they might have had preliminarily were overshadowed … I see that’s the evolution of moving toward a more strategic business. As for when you go from a side gig? A host might wonder: ‘Well, it’s making good money. Are my other sources of income as gratifying? Does it give me the personal lifestyle control that I get from Airbnb? What else is possible?’ Once those questions start to line up, I think there is a tipping point that says, ‘This is my job. This is not just a side gig anymore.’”
Airbnb: Did you come across any tips for coping with—or better yet, preventing—hosting fatigue?
Michelli: “We talked to hosts who told us that they needed to take time away. Hosting—as rewarding as it is—is a demanding process. You need to be emotionally present with people to host them, to welcome them. It takes a great deal of energy to host and not just open your place up to somebody. Hosts said as soon they could, they found people who they could occasionally offload [routine tasks] to or partner with so they could get away—that was essential to them. A lot said traveling themselves and being hosted was one of the things that helped them with not just feeling like they were on one side of the transaction.”
Airbnb: Your team also talked to about 300 guests. Is there a gap between what guests want and what hosts think that guests want?
Michelli: “If you are a super good host, I think you are probably really plugged into what guests want, and you’re delivering it. But I think not every guest wants the same thing and that’s probably pretty important. In the book, we talk about using Danny Meyer’s example of reading the invisible signs. (An invisible sign could be showing you care about me by leaving me to myself … It’s that level of how much involvement you want to have with the host.)
“Most of the time hosts (and guests) want a clean environment, and they want someone to care that they’re there. And how that’s demonstrated varies, but I think they want people to be responsive and to try to guide them … It’s why they think many hotels have lost their souls, and there’s an absence of human connection. I think most hosts get it.”
Airbnb: Any last takeaways?
Michelli: “At a macro level, I think hosting may be one of the most noble things we can do. In a world where there is a lot of division, hostility, and cynicism, I think being able to welcome people into an environment we’ve created for them—and doing so without prejudice and judgment, hopefully learning from and sharing with others—is an incredibly noble phenomenon. I think meeting hosts changed my own perspective of some of the news I watch in the evening. If only more host stories could be told to counterbalance the more cynical view that we take on the world, we’d be better off. That’s what I came away with in this whole journey. It wasn’t my intent to better myself, but I really did feel like I got a great gift in the writing of this book.”
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What other lessons about hospitality, belonging, and entrepreneurship have you learned? Join the conversation, and chime in with your thoughts below.
Hum....Milwaukee has been named the number 1 growth city for airbnb in 2020. And who is spurring that growth? Corporate hosts who set up 20-30 units without warmth or character and drop their prices to nothing so they are 100% booked. They NEVER meet a guest because it is always self-check, don't know why guests are coming or what their needs are. Michelli has missed the mark in this interview addressing this trend which is occurring all over. Or perhaps airbnb didn't allow him to go there. This is such a great interview but how can it be inspirational? The hosts he describes are becoming extinct. And airbnb isn't doing anything about it. Sigh.....
That’s very interesting and hopefully not a trend. Very discouraging to say the least.
Gail, this is the author Joseph, I had free range to go anywhere I wanted to interview. I chose to go to the heart of the Airbnb experience - home hosts. I address the corporate host issue as a challenge for the future of home sharing but write books about what makes human experience excellent - authentic caring (supported by great processes and technology).
Fab interview. Sounds like a great book!
hello @Airbnb & thanks Joseph for your insights.
Have you visited New Zealand Joseph?
I have had a very short stay in New Zealand in the past. I was in Australia, Singapore, South Africa, and Canada this year but need to have an extended stay in your amazing part of the world. Thanks for asking and thanks for hosting. Joseph
This quick read definitely makes me want to read the book. I also think having a niche draw, like the space in Danville, helps. I really want to see what else he wrote on how he came up with the five principles. Any insight on hosting helps us. Thanks!
Don, one of the key insights is be a lifelong learner with an open mindset. The Airbnb founders and great hosts also possess that quality. Obviously you share that trait. Hospitality is difficult world-changing work and certainly more of a journey than a destination.
This was a good read. Some of my guests have commented that you can tell my apartment is someone's home. I did wonder if they may have preferred somewhere less personal, a negative thought in fact, they have rebooked! Lovely people and worth making the effort for them.
Vivienne, home vs hotel....the choice is clear for most! Thanks for engaging the discussion. Joseph Michelli
Gail33 addresses a very important issue - corporate hosting or second home hosting which has become a major part of Airbnb ‘hosting’. Indeed many of the Airbnb posts on getting the most out of the experience are clearly written for such absent hosts. As Joseph says, his book focused on the home host which is refreshing. However I do feel Airbnb need to clearly differentiate between the two types of hosting. They are quite different yet are lumped together under the same ‘hosting’ banner. I hope Joseph’s book encourages guests to seek out home hosts and have a richer experience of the city/ country they are visiting.
Gail, I hope my book encourages everyone to practice service professionalism and seek out those that do deliver true hospitality (service with heart).
Your profile states..
"I am a Customer Experience consultant, speaker and writer. My latest book is in collaboration with Airbnb"
Two questions..
1) Would it be fair to say then, that this book is not a wholly independent project?
2) How many of the 300 hosts who contributed to your book did you search out yourself - and from where? - and how many of them did Airbnb provide you with?
Susan, what great questions. It is a wholly independent project. I am grateful for Airbnb's willingness to open doors to some of the hosts we interviewed but most interviews came from the efforts of my highly committed team. Two weeks ago for example, I volunteered time with a hosting group in Portland as part of a fundraiser they did on behalf of homelessness in their community. The host group is called Host2Host. I ran across the organizer of that group by going on Quora and finding a story she had written about being a guest in Paris at the time of the terrorist activities there. She alone opened us up to approximately 10 hosts in her area with amazing stories of caring (sitting with people in the emergency room, being present for engagements etc). Most of the people we interviewed from the Portland area actually showed-up at the fundraiser. Dan and Debbie (who are mentioned in the article) and demonstrate the principles of the book in the final chapter were featured on a video Airbnb posted on Youtube. We did some independent research to locate their listing and booked a stay at their property (Airbnb was not involved in any way with that booking nor did they comp our stay LOL). Our stay was incredibly magical and it prompted me to bring my team to experience the warmth of Dan and Debbie as a celebration of the completion of the book.
I have been fortunate to stay in bed and breakfasts throughout western and northern Ireland. You live in a truly spectacular country where hospitality can be extraordinary. If I write another book in the future, I would welcome your stories.
This is such a great Community post, thank you for sharing. Also, I had no idea about the book and look forward to checking it out. Has anyone here read it, or recommend it? 🙂