Implications of airbnbing my house while recieving in Employment Support Allowance (new style/contribution based)

Implications of airbnbing my house while recieving in Employment Support Allowance (new style/contribution based)

Im currently living in my house just as a residence while receiving ESA (Employment Support Allowance) which is not means tested- its not affected by capital or income from savings.

Im trying to find out how putting my house on airbnb ( I would be renting a room in my friends house as a place for me to live) would affect my ESA.

Initially I had assumed airbnb was self employment, but I read it is not and that its classed as rental income. Im reading that the Furnished Holiday Let scheme is coming to an end in April, so that is unlikely to apply to me as a lot needs doing to the house before I let it.

Im just very confused as I keep being told contradictory things. CAB told me I would be seen as self employed by ESA, and it would be classed as permitted work so my ESA would stop if I received over £183.50 a week. But elsewhere on forums such as Scope and moneysaving expert I reading that income from rental property does not count as self employment and so will not affect ESA.

Ive been reading the decision maker guides and there does seem to be more merit to the forum advice but nowhere is ESA and airbnb an example case in any of these guides. So I still feel as if I have a lot of info pointing in a direction but no conclusion that feels solid.

Is anyone already doing this and knows for certain how its viewed by DWP?
 

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Willene1
Level 10
Kaleden, Canada

@Helen3505

it is definitely rental income you must report so it may affect your employment income benefit.  It would depend on your tax laws. I don’t know what country you are in but I would give a quick call to your federal government office just to ask before you jump in vs asking here.  Good luck. 

Im in the UK; it can be quite hard to get advice on hypothetical questions from DWP.

Im very interested in the actual experiences people may have had with this issue.

@Helen3505 

Maybe look for a Local Hosting Group they might have experience or who to call

Paula
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Former Community Manager
Port Moody, Canada

Hello @Helen3505, following @Marie8425's suggestion, here is the link where you can find the 👉Local Host Club closest to your location.

 

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They wont let me join as Im not currently actively hosting.

Katie645
Level 2
Charlton Kings, United Kingdom

I'm considering doing the same Helen here in the UK.. I'm currently a host.. did you find any clarity?! 

Katie

Helen3
Top Contributor
Bristol, United Kingdom

Hi @Katie645 

 

You would need to declare any income from your STR business to your claims officer if you are in receipt of any benefits .

 

an accountant would be best placed to help you file taxes /understanding how to file  at least for the first year unless your confident of doing your tax returns yourself . 

but I'm a little confused you have over 80 reviews so have already been running a short term rental business for some time - haven't you needed to find a tax return yet. 

Katie645
Level 2
Charlton Kings, United Kingdom

Yes, my Airbnb already exists but due to my deteriorating post surgical condition, my boyfriend pretty well runs it now..

I have been submitting annual tax returns and the Airbnb comes under rental income/property.. 

Helen3
Top Contributor
Bristol, United Kingdom

Hi @Katie645 

 

sorry to hear about your health issues 


If your boyfriend is running it and keeping a higher percentage of the income you can adjust what he gets paid as the cohost to reflect this, so you have less of a tax liability /to declare when looking at your benefits eligibility ? 

Katie645
Level 2
Charlton Kings, United Kingdom

Thanks for that Helen.. 🙏

I got further advice from Citizens Advice. They sent the query off to the people they get advice from (relevant bit pasted below):

ESA

As you have referenced the question for ESA is whether the client ‘works’, and if so whether the earnings from that work are above the permitted work limit. The first question what the client would actually be doing. That would answer the question of whether the nature of any ‘work’ is so trivial that it can arguably be disregarded as not work at all.

 

Footnote 108 on p1003 in Ch 45 section 4 covers this possibility and references two cases. The second (which is here: https://administrativeappeals.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Aspx/view.aspx?id=2578) is probably the most helpful. It review authority as to when the ‘de minimis’ principle means something isn’t ‘work’ at all. Whilst it related to incapacity benefit, the law for ESA is set out in a similar way.

 

The DWP’s guidance in relation to negligible work and self-employment is at para V3021 here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65645aea1fd90c000dac3bc2/admv3.pdf. This seems obviously more relevant as the client isn’t considering helping out with someone else’s Air BnB rental.

 

All of this indicates that it is a question of fact. That is obviously going to be very hard to answer when the client hasn’t yet started renting out the property, much less finalised what she is doing in relation to that. On the one hand she seems to plan to get other people to do the physical cleaning (more like a landlord than someone running a business). But on the other, organising that cleaning might be seen by the DWP as something that ‘contributes materially to the running of the business or involves a significant amount of supervisory or administrative work’ (to quote their guidance).

 

I think it is arguable that someone who rents out a property through AirBnB is not ‘working’ (and that argument is stronger the less involvement the client has in the process of getting money for it). But I don’t think that it is as certain as the forums have made it sound.

 

Even if it is ‘work’ then the further question is whether the client earns enough to be over the limits, as you said in your reply. That would presumably be the profits of renting the home, after paying for any cleaning services, registration fees, etc.

 

The final question is whether setting this arrangement up (I’m guessing that organising the repairs and registering a short-term let of itself will involve a lot of effort and organisation) implies that the client no longer passes the test to be in the support group, as what she can now manage means that the effects of her condition have improved. That is a completely separate question – it doesn’t matter if the change is shown by work, a hobby, renovating her home with no intention to make money from it or anything else. It is just about how her condition affects her.



Katie645
Level 2
Charlton Kings, United Kingdom

Thanks for all this Helen, really interesting and useful..

I've been sent a form to complete re the Airbnb, so I will wait to see what they decide.. 

Helen3
Top Contributor
Bristol, United Kingdom

I think the CAB is confused this isn't about earnings but about income relating to the STR business you are running . @Helen3505 

Im not sure what you mean; I read their advice as broadly in favour of it being seen as rental income and not work.

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