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hi all
so i had a reservation made by someone who is actually won't be staying in the room. I felt uncomfortable with this as if something happens i will not be covered by the airbnb host guarantee.
So I asked airbnb to cancel the booking which they did - penalty free. My cancelation policy is strict though however airbnb is not sending my any payout for this reservation. the reservation was made 2 weeks ago, and it turned out only yesterday that someone else would be staying in the room (1 day prior to check-in). Furthermore the person wanted to check-in outside of my check-in hours.
Airbnb confirmed that this is not my fault, so i think that i still should be receiving the income for this
thanks for your advice
@Inna22 wrote:I do not work for Airbnb therefore I (or anyone else here) can only give you advise based on the set of facts you present and our past experience. You have told us you did not get the money and you asked why. I answered that. If you would like a concrete answer, you should go to the source- Airbnb, or an attorney who can help you analyze their terms and conditions and take appropriate action if they are breached, not a community discussion board. Here is an advise I am entirely sure is correct: your hostile replies to someone trying to help you out will not win you much help in the future here. Also, because you got something from Airbnb one time is not a guarantee it will work the next. I am glad you were able to get your money.
Aplogies but you are really inappropraite and rude. you did not take into consideration the full story and misunderstood it. you were giving incorrect advice: airbnb does refund you if the guest breaches your house rules (even before check-in) and you ask them to cancel.
Other people would be looking at this thread and looking for the same/similar answers to their questions and it is not nice from you being that offensive
@Dora31 Just because you did receive the $ for this cancelled reservation doesn't mean that every host always does, as evidenced by hundreds of posts here over the years, which you might want to research. Airbnb is very inconsistent as to how they rule on individual cases.
Don't be surprised if the guest applies to Airbnb demanding a refund and Airbnb gives it to them, deducting it from your future payouts. I hope that doesn't happen, but it has happened to many hosts.
Inna, I'm interested by your comment: 'you can ask the main guest to add the staying party to the reservation'.
It's not clear to me on what basis you make this comment? At least it seems to require some context
Paul rather evidently read-out the Riot Act (if we may call it that in response to "pains in the butt") and Stephanie encouraged Dora to highlight it as 'Best Answer'.
Airbnb 'Help' spells out:
'We require Airbnb reservations booked for personal travel to be booked by the person who's going to stay at the listing.'
This 'Personal' is in marked contrast to 'Work' or 'Business Accounts':
'Airbnb allows designated people at companies enrolled in Airbnb for Work to book business trips on behalf of other people—these people are called bookers'
However... and I would stand corrected, under 'Terms' I can't find a clear simple ruling for 3rd Party Bookings. I've searched periodically, and it could be that I've simply developed a blind spot.... If that's the case, please help me out!
The only sentence that's drawn my attention is under 'Prohibited Activities' currently, 6th point:
: 'unless Airbnb explicitly permits otherwise, book any Listing if you will not actually be using the Host Services yourself'.
This ubiquitous probhibition prima-facie creates the impression that one can get Airbnb permission for a 3rd Party booking.
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In practise, I've found Airbnb to have an ambiguous attitude to personal 3rd Party bookings. The ambiguity is in the attitude and approach of individual Customer Services. Some will flatly state no 3rd PB. Others will for better words 'work with it' or attempt to 'massage' the situation, depending on circumstances. The most explicit response I've received is along the lines,
'Yes, you can if you want, with best advice to ensure via the messaging system that "the booker accepts liability in all eventuality".'
The most overt example I can recall was only last year, when I was actually contacted by CS to rescue a last-minute cancellation by another Host. CS phoned on behalf of a French Guest who had booked for his daughter and two of her girlfriends for a few days. -- It's not unusual for me to receive such rescue calls as I do same-day bookings. But I also won't accept blindly, no IB for me, full stop. ,Therefore, as is my habit, I asked CS to request the Guest contact me directly.
The father did so, and when I mentioned the 3rd PB issue, he reiterated Airbnb were sanctioning it because of the unfortunate situation of the last minute cancellation.
I replied that his response was just a digression, and did not mask the fact of the initial 3rd PB. I further cut to the chase by simply inquiring if his daughter was of an age to have her own account?
He replied 'Yes'. So I kindly asked him to get her to open her own account in order to make the booking. Moreover, I was quite keen on taking this booking, because the father seemed perfectly fine and understanding, he was also a new host himself, and everything pointed to his daughter & friends as potentially normal good guests.
The father agreed it was the best solution and would so a.s.a.p.....
I never heard from the father again, and after a few days, checked his profile, to see a lovely review by another Host close by. So the booker obviously just hopped to the next one, who didn't have any qualms or knowledge of 3rd PB rule... all with the blessing of Airbnb.
This case is far from unusual judging by the numerous 3 PB Reviews I've come across in perusal of other Host & Guest profiles. Indeed, in practise it seems quite permissive.
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I've hosted for 6 years. In the first few years I had very few requests for 3PB, just a hand full. I accepted them all, and don't recall if there was even a rule against it? Of these few, they generally passed well, or with minor problem. no more or less than any other booking.
The last 3-4 years there were gradually more and more 3BP requests.
Unfortunately, I was deceived on a number of occasions by undisclosed bookings. They all proved problematic, with me having to ask one to leave, and another thankfully cutting his visit. They have also always led to negative Reviews and low star ratings, and thankfully too, I managed to have 3 deleted, though not without considerable time and effort in pursuit of Customer Services.
The only ones I even entertain nowadays is if the Booker will actually arrive in person with his/her charge. This is effectively a local with a member of their family or a friend.
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Finally, I would just reiterate, if someone can point out in T&C an explicit rule contra 3rd Party Booking, I would be most grateful.
Otherwise, if it does not exist, then perhaps it should be suggested to Airbnb Law Department to align
with Help' guideline: 'We require Airbnb reservations booked for personal travel to be booked by the person who's going to stay at the listing.'
More significantly, if a rule exists or is to be drawn up, then it should not just be buried in T&Cs, but be front of eye-line for Guests in booking process, likewise Hosts in acceptance.
There is a new post from about an hour ago titled 'Third Party Booking - There is Hope'.
Author is Terri from Auckland New Zealand
Perhaps this is what you meant?
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Terri:
I had a booking enquiry on Sunday (received while I was asleep) "....I am inquiring in regards for my parents who are arriving from ..."
This was confirmed half an hour later (while I was still asleep).
Later that day, I replied to the person who booked.
"As this is a booking for your parents only, it is considered a third party booking and is not allowed by AirBnB. If your mother or father create their own account, I would be happy to host them." (link to AIrBnB statement re booking for parents)
His reply:(he created his AirBnB account 2 years ago but has no reviews)
"I was not aware of the third party booking criteria, but my parents are already in transit and they are not very good with phones and computers and especially making accounts and things like that. Hence why I made on behalf..."
AirBnB customer support was contacted. And guess what? I did get this in writing (instead of falling victim to the He Siad/She Said contradictory information trap.
"... We would like to let you know that [father's] Airbnb account is now also included as a guest on the reservation this coming March 12, 2019.
As a promised for a confirmation in writing:
1. The guest father's Airbnb account is now added as a confirmed guest on this reservation
2. The booking would stay as it is and would no longer be treated as a 3rd party booking even though it is his parents staying and not him.
3. You will be covered for by the AIrBnB policy for any damages or travel issue during or after this reservation.
Hope this information would reach you and we have covered everything that you needed."
The guests are arriving this evening. I have messaged their son asking him to make sure his parents are aware of my house rules etc and that I would be going over the rules when they arrived.
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It happened to me as well. They booked for an arrival time 2 hours after booking. I did not feel comfortable neither. Thing is that it was a business who has a profile as an individual and the business needed a stay for one of their employees. Is it compliant with policies? Can businesses register an account on Airbn?