Lying guest sneaks in more guest and requests early leave

Joy298
Level 10
Sydney, Australia

Lying guest sneaks in more guest and requests early leave

Oh yeah, finally I've got the first difficult guest. Sorry all for the long rant but I do need some place to speak out.

 

I had a single guest who stated as relocating to Sydney and booked a month-long stay one month in advance. Good review history, nothing special until his arrival. However, he started to complain from the very first minute.

He said there was disruptive noise at an unbearable level coming from upstairs. Very loud thump noise, like someone stomping around on the floor on purpose or moving furniture all the time.

 

I was very surprised. As actually this is my home and I had never found any noise to be so terrible in the last 3 years. (And per my all 5 star reviews, my other guests had not either) Upstairs do have timber flooring so I sometimes can hear footsteps above but it would mostly just be footsteps.

 

Anyway as soon as I received his message, I contacted upstairs in no time. 10mins later upstairs replied they just arrived home. So I asked the guest if he still heard anything and he said "no more at the moment". Then about 20mins later, he messaged me again about the same problem. Then I contacted the neighbor living next door asking if she heard anything unusual. She replied nothing special as well. The guests kept complaining about the noise for the last 2 whole days. However each time I asked if I should send my cohost (another neighbor living in the same building) down and have a check, he declined "weird I just don't hear it right now, but I swear it was noisy for the last 20 minutes" It happened 2 times and even ABB CS noticed it from transcript and said it's a bit suspicious.

 

Then I decided to check my CCTV at the main entrance (of course I have this listed clearly in my listing). It's sound & motion sensitive, so if anything loud happened it should be triggered on. To my surprise, the guest was not traveling alone as he said. He's got a female partner with him all the time. She even stayed over-night. He didn't notify me at all.

 

On the 3rd day (today), he said he's finally enough for all the bad experience and requested to cancel the rest of his stay. My guess is he actually has got somewhere else to stay (new female partner's place maybe). But as this is a long-term stay and he would not be eligible for any refund. So he was just lying and making excuses that he can leave early without compensation.

 

However this is my home, so I don't want to irritate him to make any potential malicious damage. I called ABB CS and asked for mediation. I asked CS not to raise what I have discovered to the guest. Even he's lying all the time I'm still happy to exempt most of the rent and let him go as peacefully as possible. I asked ABB CS to request only one week's rent. However ABB CS replied the guest was asking for a full refund and just sent them a long list full of bad factors of my place which he had never raised to me at all.

 

I was beyond furious at that time. So I did some small witch-hunting and found he's just started his new career in a world-famous travel website's Sydney office (thanks Linkedin). So obviously he's been in the travel industry for long and might even be more familiar with all the ABB tricks or loopholes better than me. And I'm also surprised to find actually I know someone working in the same company (thanks Linkedin again). I'm now having an urge to tell this wonderful story to that friend of mine.

 

Yes I understand I should never say anything to the guest including I see your behavior via CCTV or I know someone working in your company. As this may be considered as some kind of threat and would set myself fall into an even passive position.

 

He's still in my place. I would truly appreciate any advice about how can I solve this dilemma as quick and peaceful as possible. Yes also about the coming retaliate review.

Thank you so much

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Joy298
Level 10
Sydney, Australia

Sorry some additional background information. I'm renting out guest's bedroom on ABB while I'm in Sydney. When I'm away I locked up my own bedroom and still renting out that guest bedroom but as "an entire place". I'm now on a journey. This guest booked the entire place.

Paul154
Level 10
Seattle, WA

@Joy298 

This guy may be sophisticated (in the travel industry, knows who to be a pain...)

Let him cancel. Agree to refund his pro-rated days remaining. 

Not worth the trouble.

Thanks @Paul154 

Appreciate your suggestion very much. I'm still waiting for the outcome of ABB mediation.

I'm also trying to calm myself down. I was really pissed off.

Yes you're right, not worthy of the trouble.

Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

@Joy298  There's nothing wrong with letting a guest know you saw that he had another unregistered, unpaid for, person in the unit via your CCTV, since you disclose the camera in your listing.

Sorry you had this bad lying guest.

Thank you @Sarah977 

I only charge extra if there are more than 2 guests. In this situation, he booked 1 but appeared 2. So ABB said he's just against some of the platform policy and house rule.

Yesterday I sent footage to ABB CS but asked them not to reveal to the guest. However, today I found CCTV has been turned to facing the wall. The guest discovered it or notified by CS.

Should I now tell the guest that I need CCTV to be in working order and send cohost down? 

Hi @Sarah977 

I've made several calls to CS regarding guest changing the position of my CCTV.

One said I have the right to inform guest as this is stated clearly in my listing. I definitely have the right to ask the guest no to block it on purpose and leave it in working condition.

One said no I can't do it. If the guest is worrying about privacy issue then I don't have the right to make any surveillance device on.

The CCTV is set at the internal side of the main entrance. Mostly only for checking how many people are in my room. However, it would also show a little corner of the living area so it has captured some footage that the unauthorized female guest wears underwears only and wandering around there. I don't know if it's something relating to privacy.

Really confused...

Alice595
Level 10
Concord, CA

@Joy298  

Recently I had a guest like this. He called Airbnb to cancel his stay by saying my house was too warm. Thanks God. There was another guest staying in the same house. And my smart thermostat showed 71 F(21 C). Definitely Airbnb knew that he lied. But Airbnb still gave him a full refund but paid me one night stay because he canceled two hour after he checked in. Here is the post about the bad experience.

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/Guest-wanted-to-cancel-due-to-temperature-and-got-full-r...

 

In just a few days, Airbnb deactivated his account. That is a punishment from Airbnb. I realized it when I wrote him the review on day 14 since he wrote me a 1 star retaliatory review. Here is the post which I seek advice in this forum.

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Airbnb-CS-does-not-want-to-remove-1-star-retaliatory-review...

 

In your case, most likely Airbnb will refund him full and pay you three days he stayed. And most likely you would have to fight for the retaliatory review. In worst case, it is a 1 star review. But no matter he receives full refund or not, a negative review probably is inevitable from an unreadable guest like him.

 

As other hosts suggested, let him go as soon as possible.

 

Inna22
Level 10
Chicago, IL

@Joy298 I do not see why you should not disclose to him that you saw an unregistered guest. While I can see how he can theoretically damage your home in retaliation, I have never heard of it ever actually happening. And if it does, you know where to find him and can go after him full force. Review- he will probably leave a bad one anyway. I would at this point tell him that he should cancel and get a refund as per your cancellation policy. In the same message tell him that you also kindly ask that he pays for the second guest. Do not negotiate with terrorists!

@Inna22  In fact I had the same idea as you do, i.e. refund based on cancellation policy. This is the experience I gained after I dealt with a couple of unreasonable guests. I actually regretted to refund the unused night of the guest who gave me 1 star retaliatory review.

 

The only concern is @Joy298  will suffer massive harassment for a month if the guest decides to stay without cancellation. 

Thank you @Alice595 for your experience and advise

Yes if he decides to stay would be the most awful nightmare for me. I hope he can leave ASAP. As I've said, he's now a local, has lots of time to play this game.

@Joy298  If he continues his harassment, you can call Airbnb to terminate his stay and to relocate him.

 

If he does not want to leave after Airbnb cancels, you can tell him that he will be responsible for his behaviors by notifying his employer.

@Inna22 Thank you for your kind input.

I'm now considering if I should imply something like I know where you are working and even know your colleague. But I wish we can solve this peacefully. I think he's new here for the job, maybe he would mind his behaviour aware of this. But I don't know if this would be considered as some kind of threat.

I admit I want to avoid any potential damage as much as I can.

Marie82
Level 10
New South Wales, Australia

@Joy298  i think it is better to leave out his private work matter, maybe when u meet ur friend next time u can tell him the whole story but wait till the guest is gone.

 

For the female guests i would not mention it as u said the apartment booked by 1 or 2 it is the same price, i usually just explain to guests for their own safety and insurance purpose they need to make sure 2 guests nbre are noted in case of any issue during their stay.

 

Anything to do with the camera leaves it out as if guest mention the camera things during review time ur business is going to suffer regardless if noted on ur listing or not. And it is winter business is very quiet already

 

 If u are away, try to negotiate a soft outcome so both sides can move on. 

When i have an issue like that I don't let it sleep more than 24h for a simple reason as he takes my focus off others important things i need to do, and i still focus on that, and at the end he eats my time and my good energy, so I always avoid that when i have issue i give myself a short time frame  to close it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much @Marie82 

I think that the hypocrite would also prefer a soft outcome and keep his review sparkling good. I'm now doing research on the exact deadline of leaving a review. I think I want to play that "on hold until the last minute" game and then submit something for other hosts information.