Retaliatory review...ugh. Our support system is broken

Rachel2399
Level 2
Appleton, WI

Retaliatory review...ugh. Our support system is broken

I am a superhost.  This summer has been rough. I have gotten guests that have stayed at our property and go over occupancy and having large gatherings/parties.  I feel helpless because I know if I say something to the guest about violating house rules, they will give me a bad review.  So here it goes.  I had a guest check in to the property. His reservation was for 3 guests.  Our ring camera went off (plus I have a neighbor across the street that counted cars) and the guest had more than doubled his occupancy! I reached out to the guest and asked him how many to stay there. He stumbled over his words but said the place was so nice his mom and sister and two kids wanted to stay there too. Occupancy now (at 8pm at night) is now 7.  I really had no choice but to allow the added guests since they were already inside the property.  I did remind the guest he could not go over 7 folks there during his stay. He agreed.  Two days later, our camera showed multiple cars out front with lots of small children (under the age of 5) running around in the front yard near the street and then running to the back.  The property sits on a body of water.  The camera picked up also a dog being brought to the property and about 10 more adults.  The guest had invited unapproved guests to the house to have an after wedding party.  Instead of attacking him in a message thread, we requested to do some maintenance work.  He was fine with it. The maintenance guy did need to do some work there in the backyard and he confirmed what was going on.  The next morning the guest checked out.  My cohost inspected the property and found the arm of the recliner had been either jumped on or sat on as it was broken off of the frame.  I later came in and found that damage plus ruined towels, a soiled futon, etc.  Trying to stick with Airbnb guidelines, I informed the guest right away of the damaged property.  I even sent pictures.  I also informed him we would be making a claim for damages and the extra guests that came to the house for the afterparty.  I explained the disappointment etc as he violated our house rules.  That night I informed him of missing towels and we learned of a dog coming to the house.  The guest did not respond to my messages.  Instead, I was alerted the next day he wrote his review (he gave the property a 1 star review).  I had to later compile our receipts to make the damage claim.  I didn't want to do my review until after I made my request to the guest. He refused to pay (of course) and then went as far as made a report to the safety team. ugh. I did finally got my recliner paid for by host damage policy (pictures and receipts speak a thousand words.)  Today I posted my review. I was very honest and detailed and did not speak of anything except what damages were done and house rules violated.  After my review posted his review came through.  He went on about the neighbors watching him and his guests, the co host was in disguise as a worker just a bunch of garbage.  The property is a 5 star waterfront property so I requested a removal of the retaliatory review.  I was denied twice.  I had documentation showing the message thread I sent him on Aug 4 with pictures.  I said to support "How is it not retaliation when he posted his review a day after I sent him a note of our claim for damages, violating house rules, having unauthorized guests?"  As a superhost I am beyond words.  We put the house up for sale.  We just feel like we can't seek damage claims or enforce house rules without the fear of getting a negative review.  It is just not worth it.  I am a superhost with 4 listings and I strongly believe that airbnb has gone down hill and care more about the guests than their hosts.  I have 112 reviews for four listings; my guests 98% of the time give 5 stars for all places.  I have been a superhost for three years. This last guest has about 6 reviews in 7 years being on airbnb.

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Mike-And-Jane0
Top Contributor
England, United Kingdom

@Rachel2399 I've had a quick look at the guests reviews and all are glowing except yours. Similarly your reviews are generally glowing except for his.

Airbnb is in a difficult position to determine if the review is retaliatory although all circumstantial evidence says that it is.

I think a short response to his review explaining it was left in retaliation for your damage claim and pointing future guests to all the other excellent reviews is vital. After that I am not sure what you can do other than research what Airbnb considers to be a retaliatory review. I am not sure I have ever seen this definition.

 

His few past reviews are minimal for the amount of stays he has done. 32 stays but only 20 reviews.  Generally speaking he may have had issue at those other 12 stays thus the host didnt feel comfortable to leave him a review. We always check to see if has a five star reviews but we dont check how many, unfortunately.  his stay and wouldn’t have accepted his reservation without a five star review. Him having a glowing history has nothing to do with what he did at our property. He in fact, broke house rules as soon as he checked in because he brought in on unauthorized guests that we’re not listed on the reservation and it wasn’t until we later learned that they were there;  he made a comment of "I wasn’t trying to pull anything." all of this is in the message thread that airbnb has access to.  Our rate is based on occupancy so yes he was. The fact of the matter Airbnb based the review is not being biased, and his was definitely biased because he wrote things that I had said on the message thread to him when he checked out about damages and the futon… the review definitely should be removed as it is definitely retaliatory.  It also violates policy because he makes slanderous and inaccurate comments about the neighbors watching them sleep on the futon (the futon face the river with no neighbors around and a fence between them) and makes a snide remark about my co host "being in disguise."  

I feel the need to reply again. The retaliatory review also slanders the safety of the property. "The back patio is under construction."  There is no construction.  Here is the link to the property. These pictures were taken on Tuesday, August 5, one day after he checked out.  (It also shows the broken recliner that we claimed damages for.  It also shows the location of the futon)  

2323 Palisades Dr, Appleton, WI 54915 [Updated 8/10]

@Rachel2399 

I think @Mike-And-Jane0 have said it all. Airbnb has turned over most of the review dispute process to AI. 

 

They have given a chainsaw to a "toddler" (AI) and there is no human, adult supervision. Hosts have been thown under the bus as a result. 

 

Hosts should definitely list on other platforms and consider a direct booking site.

yeah, I get that cause I just got a message from a senior case manager and he says he can’t overturn what the toddler is done. I mean he didn’t say toddler but I’m just repeating what you call the AI what’s also noticeable on that review he did he makes a comment about the house being unlocked, which could put it at risk and getting broken into by putting on a public form information about the property like that

I wanna respond to this again so I have four listings. I just had a guy check out of my other lakefront property. He too had glowing history with a five star rating. I even reminded him not to do any parties in the house because he booked it for him and his nine friends, what do you think happened? So Friday night they came to the property at 11:50 at night and put their finger over the ring camera I didn’t know what they were doing. I didn’t think anything of it. I arrived at the property today to start cleaning it and assessing anything being awry and the neighbor informed me that over 25 people had showed up at the property for a party, I entered the property and found cigarette smoke, smell, and cigarettes sitting in the kitchen Excessive trash in the trashcan when the cam was just dumped on Friday was completely full with beer, cans and other alcoholic drinks, there was beer pond game sitting on the table along with some other things. Do you think I’m gonna make a claim to Airbnb? Absolutely not ! you know why because then they’re gonna let him put a one star review it’s gonna kill my stats and then they’ll refuse to remove it because they won’t consider it retaliatory

Mike-And-Jane0
Top Contributor
England, United Kingdom

@Rachel2399 You need to play the game: 

1) Say nothing to the guest

2) Review him ASAP

3) Hope he reviews you 

4) As soon as he review you then put your claim in (hopefully within 14 day time frame)

Yeah that’s what my cohost said. I guess I’m not smart after three years, but I’m figuring it out

Mike-And-Jane0
Top Contributor
England, United Kingdom

@Rachel2399 

So I got off my backside and looked at the Retaliatory Review policy from Airbnb. Turns out it doesn't exist except in titular form which is entirely consistent with Airbnb being all about marketing and nothing about content/reality.

In summary the Retaliatory Review policy basically talks about reviews given after say a host claim BUT it then, very cleverly for Airbnb, says the review must be in contravention of the Review policy or content policy. These policies allow lying (amongst other things) and unless the guest is making racial or other discriminatory comments it is very hard to trigger these policies.

I am sure @Joan2709 can cut and stick the relative bits of help and policy documents to explain further but as my IT skills are limited.

Absolutely correct.  I did point out to support the content violations but it fell on deaf ears.  You'd think they would look more into these retaliatory claims as the revenue loss for them by having a listing that books frequently to be possibly no longer booked.  We put the house on the market because of this and another time this took place.  If the house sells, we will be canceling booked revenue for airbnb.  We also are considering then having our other listing (lakehouse) to be moved to a company that does direct bookings or just on VRBO (VRBO keeps it consistently booked.)  

lol. I found out the guest is a psychiatric care doctor for adolescents. Go figure.

so here goes my other listing, the guest decided to sneak in a bunch of people into the house and have a party. The neighbors told me about it. I went back and reviewed on the camera and he had stuck his finger over the ring camera for five minutes, so there could be no photographic evidence so do you think I’m gonna turn this over to Airbnb? They left excessive garbage they smoked in the house no I won’t because what will happen is Airbnb won’t support me when they give me a retaliatory review. 

I have four listings this happened at my other lakefront property. It’s not the one that that I started this thread on

Gena66
Level 1
Belfast, ME

I am so sorry this happened to you Rachel. I too have been experiencing disrespecting and self entitled guests this Summer. I have been a Superhost for 12 Years now with managing an average of 10 properties. This is the first Year I have experienced such terrible guests, and have reached out to Airbnb for assistance. Airbnb has been absolutely horrendous in supporting me, always siding with the guests, or making it impossible to effectively file a claim. Airbnb had completely gone down hill! 

I am in the process of looking at other platforms for hosting, ensuring they truly value the Host 

 

I wish you the best in your new endeavors! 

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