Since entering the summer release program I have been having...
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Since entering the summer release program I have been having a couple issues with Calendar sync and the 2 nights between book...
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We are in Costa Rica and recently completed our property build (November 2023) on a large 4500m parcel in a quiet neighborhood that features our home, a sleeps-2 one bedroom Casita, a sleeps-4 two bedroom Casita (both fully equipped homes), as well as our main draw: a lovely pool area and adjacent pavilion featuring a sound system that we control the volume of (guest choice of music from SiriusXM). We rent each home individually and also a 3rd “listing” called the Whole Enchilada that combines both Casitas in a single booking.
1st Party: Pool area hours are normally until 8pm; we make rare exceptions for single night bookings, especially if a late arrival). guests rented both homes for 1 night. Asked if we could extend the pool hours by “a couple hours”. Sure, no problem. Asked if they could bring a small Bluetooth speaker up to the pool area. We said sure, please keep the volume low. One extra person arrived. The volume of their “nightclub-style dance music” crept up and up….. until 3am when they moved the “nightclub” party to the 2-bedroom Casita. Then on and on until 7am. I got about an hour of sleep, and had to apologize to our 88-year-old neighbor 😕 They left the homes in perfect condition. What’s worse is I couldn’t warn other Hosts in the review, because she is ALSO A HOST so would have seen the warning. I texted her on WhatsApp after checkout, stating she would not be welcomed back with the same disrespectful behavior.
2nd Party: Following weekend (what are the odds?) another booking for both homes for 6 people for 1 night. Coming in two groups. I explained that although they get a gate code to enter the property, we like to greet our guests and show them how to use the sometimes confusing cable box (app enabled). Guest Response: “Oh! I thought it was Self-check.” 1st red flag 🚩 My response, “it is, would you prefer to check in on your own and just let us know if you need anything. Feel free to use the pool area until 10pm instead of posted hours of 8pm since you are arriving a bit late.” Guest response: “You are also on the property? I thought it was a private property and we could use the pool as long as we wanted!” 2nd red flag 🚩 My response: “It is a private property, the pool area is only for our booked guests… our listing clearly states on-site Hosts.” First three guests arrive. Then, an hour later, the BUS pulls into the property, disgorging 10 MORE PEOPLE, folding tables, TWO box speakers each twice the size of our 4-slice toaster, and numerous other items clearly designed for a major night of celebration. 🚩 🚩 🚩 I immediately texted the daughter of the lady who booked (was my WhatsApp contact for the booking) BEFORE the bus left, saying everyone except the 6 Guests on the reservation (had all 6 names from earlier communication) needed to leave right now please!! They asked to come up to our home & talk. Ok, but the BUS & driver does not leave. Very politely said they did not know they couldn’t invite “friends” to celebrate her birthday. Our response (after some back & forth) was the additional people could stay, but ONLY until 11pm and a per person additional charge of $20/person would be added to the booking. They agreed, accepted the change at 8:00. Then ALL just left at around 9:00. Again, super polite, saying they were going to a different house. Homes were in perfect condition. We offered to refund the “Additional people charge”, and did. In cash, three days later, because they did not accept the payment reversal before our payout by AirBnB. She sent her dad to pick up the refund . I wrote a simple receipt in both English and Spanish and we both signed 2 copies, and I photographed one copy with his ID for good measure.
We changed our “weekend night” both home rental to a 2-night minimum. Our listing has always clearly stated “No Loud Parties, quiet Celebrations are allowed.”
As we have only just started renting and we’re on-track for SuperHost status (we had and still have all 5-star ratings and will become SuperHosts in January!), we were fearful of a negative review if we told the first set, music OFF & please Vacate the pool area, and with the second set if we either refused to accommodate her friends in some way, or simply said, everyone out!
All who have read this far: THANK YOU!
1. Any community advice beyond what we’ve done?
2. How would AirBnB handle a negative review from a guest given their blatant disregard of our house rules and outrageous behavior?
Thanks!! Lisa & Don -Atenas Costa Rica
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@Lisa8744 Welcome to hosting Lisa and Don. It sounds like you have had a busy start,
First and foremost, parties are not permitted with airbnb, and as other hosts have said, could result in a suspension of your listing if you allow them. Negotiating an extra fee when a bus of people show up was a poor decision. This is why it is very important to have clear and concise rules regarding parties, extra guest, quite hours etc. A common issue however is guest(s) actually reading and understanding these rules. A lot of hosts make sure guest acknowledge the home rules prior to their arrival or have them review them when they arrive.
Regarding the following statement:
"What’s worse is I couldn’t warn other Hosts in the review, because she is ALSO A HOST so would have seen the warning. I texted her on WhatsApp after checkout, stating she would not be welcomed back with the same disrespectful behavior."
Reviews are blind regardless of the other individual's status, host or otherwise. This means that neither party (host or guest) will see the others review or rating until both parties have left a review or the time has exceeded 14 days., After the 14 days however, even when the other party sees the review the window has closed for them to leave or edit the one the left, which in turn mitigates retaliatory feedback/reviews.
As for removal of reviews, Airbnb recently implemented some newer policies regarding retaliatory reviews. I am going to link it here Airbnb's Reviews Policy - Airbnb Help Center. In summery you can petition to have negative reviews removed if they were done so in a retaliatory nature.
@Lisa8744 Allowing ANY parties is against Airbnb rules so your current wording could get your property/account suspended or removed. A bad review will stand because you didn't report a party. Had you reported a party however your account might have been suspended so you can't really win.
Not sure what you mean by not being able to warn hosts about the first guest. All guests, hots or not, can see the review you leave for them.
Unauthorized “party” that we were unaware of until it started! Quiet celebrations are allowed; many people book an Air BnB to celebrate a birthday for example. It is my understanding that because of COVID, AirBnB put a stop to “Parties” as a general rule, but surely a guest can celebrate a birthday with family/friends so long as the house rules (number of guests for instance) are followed?
@Lisa8744 Try writing a rule that allows 'gatherings with family and friends' but doesn't allow 'parties'. It's impossible. For every party we have (in our house) we only invite family and friends but it is still a party.
So no a guest cannot invite family/friends and if they do you and they are in breach of the rules.
Hi, I think you misunderstood; we are talking about actual booked guests. Not extra people they would invite. 🙂
Further reply regarding Host status of first primary guest: I am referring to the “would you recommend this guest to other hosts?” Question at the end of a guest rating…. Clearly states that the guest cannot see this portion of your rating but if the guest is ALSO a host, I imagine they would be able to see that part in addition to the regular guest rating??
@Lisa8744 Welcome to hosting Lisa and Don. It sounds like you have had a busy start,
First and foremost, parties are not permitted with airbnb, and as other hosts have said, could result in a suspension of your listing if you allow them. Negotiating an extra fee when a bus of people show up was a poor decision. This is why it is very important to have clear and concise rules regarding parties, extra guest, quite hours etc. A common issue however is guest(s) actually reading and understanding these rules. A lot of hosts make sure guest acknowledge the home rules prior to their arrival or have them review them when they arrive.
Regarding the following statement:
"What’s worse is I couldn’t warn other Hosts in the review, because she is ALSO A HOST so would have seen the warning. I texted her on WhatsApp after checkout, stating she would not be welcomed back with the same disrespectful behavior."
Reviews are blind regardless of the other individual's status, host or otherwise. This means that neither party (host or guest) will see the others review or rating until both parties have left a review or the time has exceeded 14 days., After the 14 days however, even when the other party sees the review the window has closed for them to leave or edit the one the left, which in turn mitigates retaliatory feedback/reviews.
As for removal of reviews, Airbnb recently implemented some newer policies regarding retaliatory reviews. I am going to link it here Airbnb's Reviews Policy - Airbnb Help Center. In summery you can petition to have negative reviews removed if they were done so in a retaliatory nature.
@Jennifer1897 Thank you so much!!! Believe me, I will not make the same mistake again that we did with the second set of guests!!! I was unaware of the “No Parties” AirBnB rule… a friend in the area that has an Airbnb suggested we click “no” under parties and events which I did and clearly state no parties, which I also did, but I thought that was a personal choice of his, and not a Airbnb policy.
@Lisa8744 my houses are a prime target for parties due to size and location. Ever since I started to require picture IDs from everyone staying at the property, I have not had a single issue. We are talking 5 years of worrying sick every weekend and calm and quite for about a year now. Yes, some guests resist but I make it very prominent in the listing and send a message as soon as they book. I also tell them I have private security that monitors the property but in your case you live on site. Make that it even more clear in your listing.
I would remove any mentioning of celebrations. Quiet celebration to one person is a rager to another. Feel free to look through my listings. I have all of my rules there. They may appear a little harsh but I was fully booked all weekends but three this year, so clearly they have not effected my bookings.
I feel for you! Good luck!